First helpful post I've seen today. I'd say the Gods are the root cause. They saw the greedy way that some magicians were manipulating the market and cast a curse on everyone. They are going to relive their days over and over and learn the futility of seeking wealth.
The weekend is really when I get to spend time with my husband and so we play this together. We just killed the final boss in the dungeon that's in Blackdagger Ruins. We tried to do it yesterday but my heals kept aggro the boss and we were the absolute lowest level. We spent yesterday leveling up to 24 or 25 and we beat the boss despite the fact that we lost a player partway through and had to 4-man him. Hoot and holler for victory but before we finished killing the last of the adds, the server went down. I can only assume it's over this stuff.
I had no idea there was an exploit or that the economy broke or any of that.
I spent $40 on Zen and the hubby spent $20 so we could get extra character slots and open our lockboxes. It sucks to admit, but that's actually a lot of money for us to spend on something ultimately unimportant (I mean, it's just a darn game; it's not like it'll keep us fed or provide shelter, ne?). Therefore, I care about that Zen. If it turns out they refund purchased Zen, it'd be nice if they also gave back the lockboxes we opened or at least let us keep what we got out of them.
I don't know enough about programing to understand how difficult or easy all the different ideas are to actually implement, but I do understand that some ideas which seem great are just not feasible.
What I do know is that despite the fact that this game is free, it costs money to make and maintain. IF they don't have the money to keep it going, that's it. No more game. So really, I don't care how they fix the problem as long as the game doesn't go away. We like it very much so far and there's several things about it that I've just never experienced in other MMOs I've played. IF they need to pick the solution that appeases the people who paid for founders packs and bought lots of Zen with their hard-earned money, so be it. If they need to pick a different solution because it's more suitable to the game, then do that.
I will be very, very irritable (the hubby even more so 'cause he's not as laid-back as I am I think) if my $40 of Zen and my hubby's $20 essentially vanishes. I will also be a bit irked if I have to start over entirely because, well, I put a lot of time into the crafting and learning to play different classes.
I'll get over it. The game is just really, really fun and that's even taking into consideration the fact that my computer doesn't run the game nearly as smoothly as my husband's does (I get weird graphics, like stuff jutting out of nowhere and missing scenery, but it's still playable and I just use the Hubby's computer when he's at work).
And I know that the bug or exploit or whatever, it affected a lot of you much more than it effected me because we have different playing styles so I understand that the voices of those people should perhaps be louder than mine.
I just wanna play.
I don't much see the point of arguing here, though. I imagine the developers/etc would like to know how we feel about the issue, but is it honestly realistic to expect them to sort through fifteen million arguments to find those few important posts AND still get the problem solved quickly?
Hell, I probably wouldn't even be commenting at all except that I talk too much anyway and the rest of the house is too hot to do anything else because only the bedroom and computer room AC units work.
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Best post i ever read, honest and just sweet!
I am really trying to keep up with all the posts here, but for every page I read there are 2 more popping up, lol... you dont realize how popular a game is till it goes down and the forum is flooded
30,000 following on twitter alone and that is probably 25% of the actual people.
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I do think that Cryptic has done a really good job keeping us up to date about what's going one and they aren't jumping the gun and doing the Knee jerk reaction that a lot of the exploiters wanted and best of all those of us who played the game the way it was intended are not going to be punished for what the cheaters did.
I'm almost positive that we are going to see rollbacks and bans where warranted on the ones who gained due to the exploits and from reading the Massively comments it's apparent that they are going after the Mule accounts as well. This was the absolute best way they could have handled it.
What, you don't remember them pulling FULL RAID BOSSES to the gates of stormwind and having to shut down servers, and restart?
Tons of people were pulling raid bosses to cities, or across the terrain, because they hadn't implemented anything to designate a non-player character zone.
I mean bugs like that were very frequent. There were a number of other bugs that I can't think of off the top of my head, but almost all of them ended with a server shutdown or restart, much like that one.
Also, this isn't 4'chains', so keep the memes on the downlow.
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genxer0Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
So much hate from all these ... i assume children. This game is still beta, the same people who keep just saying just do a wipe are probably the weeds in the garden that don't want to be found by the "data collection" = find out who was exploiting and the damage done then just roll them back or remove those involved. Easy solution is to do something else for a while so when you get back its all good. Problems don't fix themselves you know and sometimes it takes time.
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solresolMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
This game IS NOT IN OPEN BETA, It even says on the main perfect world pagehttp://www.perfectworld.com/ where you select which game you want, it has an L next to neverwinter, which according to their key means live.
Or, you simply go to the main webpage where in bold letters it states
NEW PLAYER LEVELING 1-60 NEED A WEEK and hard find AD
AND OLD PLAYER USE EXPLOIT AD MAKE AD 999999999 ,LEVELING WITH FOUNDRY, USE BUG SET VALIANT DAMAGE GF 9999999 , EXPLOIT GLORY WITH AFK CHAR ,
WTF ARE YOU KIDDING ME HAH
Further info forthcoming on the gathering of data to formulate a decision about what information is needed in the case where a decision may be reached within the current session set to occur on or before the date of the gathering of the info necessary to provide a basis for deciding the proper course of action in regards to the effect intended.
you sir made me lol for like 5 minutes keep it up till servers are back
What I don't understand is why anyone would do this. I am aware that hackers and exploiters are bottom feeding slugs but, what can they hope to gain from trying to get ahead in a beta where all of their criminal activity will be wiped once the game goes live? What's the sense in hoarding up AD or anything when all of it will be lost at game launch? Just the anarchy and bragging rights of it?
I will just never understand the twisted and evil minds of hackers and that part of society who try to cheat through life. That isn't living. That's pathetic.
Apparently your not reading everything.... they have stated NUMEROUS times that they do NOT plan on a wipe when they go live.
If you have chosen to support the developers with your real money, then that was your decision, in the knowing of the game's beta stage, despite its flaws, chances and possible losses. I didn't buy any packs or stuff, but I did spend some
Yup. My own choice, and I still do not regret it. And still in deep anticipation of the future Ranger class with no regrets
NEW PLAYER LEVELING 1-60 NEED A WEEK and hard find AD
AND OLD PLAYER USE EXPLOIT AD MAKE AD 999999999 ,LEVELING WITH FOUNDRY EASY 1-60 ONLY A COUPLE HOUR, USE BUG SET VALIANT DAMAGE GF 9999999 , EXPLOIT GLORY WITH AFK CHAR , AND MANY MORE BUG ,EXPLOIT , HACKERS
Disappointed that you won't be doing a full wipe, but I'm excited for what your resolution's going to look like. If you're *****ing about rollbacks and asking "if i should even keep playing anymore", do the community a favor and go back to WoW. We don't need you malignant cysts to mar the face of this game anymore than you already have.
What I don't understand is why anyone would do this. I am aware that hackers and exploiters are bottom feeding slugs but, what can they hope to gain from trying to get ahead in a beta where all of their criminal activity will be wiped once the game goes live? What's the sense in hoarding up AD or anything when all of it will be lost at game launch? Just the anarchy and bragging rights of it?
I will just never understand the twisted and evil minds of hackers and that part of society who try to cheat through life. That isn't living. That's pathetic.
The internet is full of very bad people that can hide behind keyboards and be the biggest <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> imagineable. Sad fact, but true.
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kronos6913Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 24Arc User
edited May 2013
Let me fill you in on ALL the exploits and when we found them.
1 - AH exploit - This is what all the current fuss is about. Too bad it was discovered and reported in closed beta, only to still make it in. Through this exploit one can earn unlimited AD and simply clean out the AD vendors, as well as buy up all the Zen they wanted. I knew about it and reported it on the day that I logged in. My ticket was closed and marked as resolved. Upon reading it further, I noticed that a GM told me the ticket was lost and to resubmit it. I did and kept playing. The second ticket was closed and "lost again". So I gave up reporting it.
2 - Quest sharing exploit - This allowed you to reach level 60 in about an hour of playing. It also allowed people to farm unlimited bags, assets, and materials. It was discovered and reported in closed beta, but still made it in to the open beta. Once again, I made a ticket about it only to have it closed. My follow up ticket was also closed.
3 - Foundry bugs - Were used to gain max level and farm gear. Although I knew about this bug, I did not report it because I thought the other two were more important.
4 - The CW set bonus bug allowing them to hit for millions points of damage. This was a very minor bug, but it still allowed a team of two or more CW's to farm end game content. I did not know about this bug, but plenty of people in my guild did.
5 - The GF set bug - Yet another set bug that allowed the GF to almost instantly kill any mob in the game. A lot more consistent than the CW set bug, and caused a lot of damage to the economy. I knew about this a few days into the game, but decided not to report it since my other tickets kept being closed and "lost".
6 - Chest farming exploits - These are still in the game and allow people to farm easy money, as well as gear and ingredients.
7 - There is already a bot out for Neverwinter that members of Tault Unleashed have been using. Currently it can be made to level or exploit chests. They are working on having it take care of professions and auto pray for you as well.
8 - TR DC bug - this was used mostly in PvP to instantly disconnect anyone the TR targeted with certain abilities. It allowed all TR groups to quickly win matches in the least amount of time possible.
9 - Potion exploit - Basically you can have unlimited healing potions - not much of an exploit since you can accomplish the same thing easier by using any other AD earning exploit and buying potions.
10 - AutoHotkey - Macro software that allows you to easily max your crafting.
11 - AFK PvP groups - creating a few accounts and making an AFK group (managed by AutoHotkey or the Viper bot), you can quickly earn XP and gear while you sleep.
12 - Their support site has not worked since launch. That's right, you can't even request a refund or report bugs through that thing! it gets stuck in an infinite loop after you log in to submit a ticket.
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aerhaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 19Arc User
From PWE:
"We've made a decision on making a decision, and have decided to make that decision on a decision when we have collected all our facts need to make that decision. We do expect this decision to come shortly after we have made it."
OK OK! Enough! If I want doublespeak like that I'll tune into a political debate!
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and thats why u are not a developer for the game very horrible ideas.. you didnt even mention banning the cheats
LET the game creators decide what the **** they want to do to their game and let em do it.. they dont need somone thats not in the gamming industry to put their 2 little cents in.. WHAT ever they decide. you either still play or leave. it dont matter
I see the " FANBOYS " are out in full force PW must pay them to do damage control.
only thing that will save the game is a total wipe
come on its in beta
and they should not be charging for products during a beta
call the game what it is broken full of bugs and gliches.
they keep saying 2 more hours
don't say 2 more hours just say down till we fix it.
also they wont fix the rubber banding and constant dcing
if someone wants to complain let them otherwise <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> off
Er, perhaps you missed the fact someone made over $6000 from selling the AD?
Not hard to see what people would gain from it.
And do not go being all "holier then thou", how dare you call anyone evil. Fact is a lot of people including you, would do the same, $6000 is not to be sniffed at.
Yup, and you don't think the gold seller companies are going to do charge backs against the exploiters who sold them the goods? Have an exploiter explain to the credit companies or Paypal how their duped AD was obtained fraudulently and they should keep the money. Those guys will be on the hook for thousands of dollars.
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ambermajMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
What, you don't remember them pulling FULL RAID BOSSES to the gates of stormwind and having to shut down servers, and restart?
Tons of people were pulling raid bosses to cities, or across the terrain, because they hadn't implemented anything to designate a non-player character zone.
I mean bugs like that were very frequent. There were a number of other bugs that I can't think of off the top of my head, but almost all of them ended with a server shutdown or restart, much like that one.
Also, this isn't 4'chains', so keep the memes on the downlow.
No, I just put on my skeptic face when someone prefaces a comment by saying "I've played over 500 games".
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That may be fair compensation in California, but not in Florida. In FL, all tacos are generally of corporate origin.
30,000 following on twitter alone and that is probably 25% of the actual people.
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Of course youre not making any of this up! You posted it on an honest adults only forum, lol.
I'm almost positive that we are going to see rollbacks and bans where warranted on the ones who gained due to the exploits and from reading the Massively comments it's apparent that they are going after the Mule accounts as well. This was the absolute best way they could have handled it.
What, you don't remember them pulling FULL RAID BOSSES to the gates of stormwind and having to shut down servers, and restart?
Tons of people were pulling raid bosses to cities, or across the terrain, because they hadn't implemented anything to designate a non-player character zone.
I mean bugs like that were very frequent. There were a number of other bugs that I can't think of off the top of my head, but almost all of them ended with a server shutdown or restart, much like that one.
Also, this isn't 4'chains', so keep the memes on the downlow.
Or, you simply go to the main webpage where in bold letters it states
"Now in Open Beta".
NEW PLAYER LEVELING 1-60 NEED A WEEK and hard find AD
AND OLD PLAYER USE EXPLOIT AD MAKE AD 999999999 ,LEVELING WITH FOUNDRY, USE BUG SET VALIANT DAMAGE GF 9999999 , EXPLOIT GLORY WITH AFK CHAR ,
WTF ARE YOU KIDDING ME HAH
you sir made me lol for like 5 minutes keep it up till servers are back
Apparently your not reading everything.... they have stated NUMEROUS times that they do NOT plan on a wipe when they go live.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Insert Kirk's voice here as if he is screaming at Khan:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Okay . . . all is well . . .
Yup. My own choice, and I still do not regret it. And still in deep anticipation of the future Ranger class with no regrets
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NEW PLAYER LEVELING 1-60 NEED A WEEK and hard find AD
AND OLD PLAYER USE EXPLOIT AD MAKE AD 999999999 ,LEVELING WITH FOUNDRY EASY 1-60 ONLY A COUPLE HOUR, USE BUG SET VALIANT DAMAGE GF 9999999 , EXPLOIT GLORY WITH AFK CHAR , AND MANY MORE BUG ,EXPLOIT , HACKERS
WTF ARE YOU KIDDING ME HAH
The internet is full of very bad people that can hide behind keyboards and be the biggest <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> imagineable. Sad fact, but true.
1 - AH exploit - This is what all the current fuss is about. Too bad it was discovered and reported in closed beta, only to still make it in. Through this exploit one can earn unlimited AD and simply clean out the AD vendors, as well as buy up all the Zen they wanted. I knew about it and reported it on the day that I logged in. My ticket was closed and marked as resolved. Upon reading it further, I noticed that a GM told me the ticket was lost and to resubmit it. I did and kept playing. The second ticket was closed and "lost again". So I gave up reporting it.
2 - Quest sharing exploit - This allowed you to reach level 60 in about an hour of playing. It also allowed people to farm unlimited bags, assets, and materials. It was discovered and reported in closed beta, but still made it in to the open beta. Once again, I made a ticket about it only to have it closed. My follow up ticket was also closed.
3 - Foundry bugs - Were used to gain max level and farm gear. Although I knew about this bug, I did not report it because I thought the other two were more important.
4 - The CW set bonus bug allowing them to hit for millions points of damage. This was a very minor bug, but it still allowed a team of two or more CW's to farm end game content. I did not know about this bug, but plenty of people in my guild did.
5 - The GF set bug - Yet another set bug that allowed the GF to almost instantly kill any mob in the game. A lot more consistent than the CW set bug, and caused a lot of damage to the economy. I knew about this a few days into the game, but decided not to report it since my other tickets kept being closed and "lost".
6 - Chest farming exploits - These are still in the game and allow people to farm easy money, as well as gear and ingredients.
7 - There is already a bot out for Neverwinter that members of Tault Unleashed have been using. Currently it can be made to level or exploit chests. They are working on having it take care of professions and auto pray for you as well.
8 - TR DC bug - this was used mostly in PvP to instantly disconnect anyone the TR targeted with certain abilities. It allowed all TR groups to quickly win matches in the least amount of time possible.
9 - Potion exploit - Basically you can have unlimited healing potions - not much of an exploit since you can accomplish the same thing easier by using any other AD earning exploit and buying potions.
10 - AutoHotkey - Macro software that allows you to easily max your crafting.
11 - AFK PvP groups - creating a few accounts and making an AFK group (managed by AutoHotkey or the Viper bot), you can quickly earn XP and gear while you sleep.
12 - Their support site has not worked since launch. That's right, you can't even request a refund or report bugs through that thing! it gets stuck in an infinite loop after you log in to submit a ticket.
I totally agreed with this. pity it isent so, that way I woulnd feel like I did nothing for the past 6 hrs XD which is entirely my fault mind you <.<
I see the " FANBOYS " are out in full force PW must pay them to do damage control.
only thing that will save the game is a total wipe
come on its in beta
and they should not be charging for products during a beta
call the game what it is broken full of bugs and gliches.
they keep saying 2 more hours
don't say 2 more hours just say down till we fix it.
also they wont fix the rubber banding and constant dcing
if someone wants to complain let them otherwise <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> off
Yup, and you don't think the gold seller companies are going to do charge backs against the exploiters who sold them the goods? Have an exploiter explain to the credit companies or Paypal how their duped AD was obtained fraudulently and they should keep the money. Those guys will be on the hook for thousands of dollars.
It's 4chan and you haven't seen any of their memes here. They would make your eyes burn
No, I just put on my skeptic face when someone prefaces a comment by saying "I've played over 500 games".
Just. Like. Willy. Wonka.