Try delves, now Idris' chest is fixed. I got the armor from Idris herself after the last patch and around 30ish runs. I have seen her drop armors more frequently after the patch though, I think they increased the drop chance.
The helm is the most annoying to get, it seems hard to find a group to run the dragon nowadays... or at least competent enough people to finish it.
Also, about the item level requirements... I do not know if it's a bug or a twinker's dream. Anyway they are level 60 items statwise.
So far twinkers dream, was buying up cheap purples on the AH for my cleric alt.
Thanks for your reply as well. Those numbers are...less encouraging.
So they're from the Epic dungeons? It makes sense given their stats, but then why are the item levels as low as 38? One would think they were actually intended for the regular level progression.
There's some ppl lvl 38 + whos willing to pay AD fot that gear early . Thats when u farm and sell them those items hehe.
And yea. Finding a Gud party for Mad dragon on Queue is so annoying.
Try delves, now Idris' chest is fixed. I got the armor from Idris herself after the last patch and around 30ish runs. I have seen her drop armors more frequently after the patch though, I think they increased the drop chance.
The helm is the most annoying to get, it seems hard to find a group to run the dragon nowadays... or at least competent enough people to finish it.
Also, about the item level requirements... I do not know if it's a bug or a twinker's dream. Anyway they are level 60 items statwise.
These are my results as well.
Mad Dragon wasn't as hard as I thought it was going to be but we still failed cause we had a few weak links in our group.
The main strategy we did it was basically the 2 Rogues (or a GWF) were on the boss full time, Control Wizard on boss initially mixing in CC on Magus adds when he could. I was on keeping Magus and Snaring Imps off the healer full time. When adds first come, it's only 4-5 legions. The Rogue the boss is on stays on the boss and the rest get the adds that I was offtanking. We then got back on boss and the second set of adds are much harder. Basically you do the same deal with the Rogue the boss is on tanks him away while we handle adds. I offtank 1-2 Erinynes and the big guy while the CW/TR (GWF) focus 1 of them down with a CC lock (since the Erins massive AOE heal) away from the pack. Kinda hectic here and probably most dangerous part. Afterwords you're golden and it's just coast to victory.
We tried numerous other methods, such as me tanking boss away from adds and everything and it just didn't work out until I played bodyguard on the Healer. The only reason we failed was the Rogue the boss was on kept running over to kill adds for some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> reason and the boss would drop non stop AOE on top of us plus the Magus AOE plus the adds...just a stupid scene. That and we had a super weak CW who would die in 1 hit to Magus blow up and was dealing like zero damage. That's PUGs for ya.
Personally I've borderline given up on getting the helm via Normal means (most dungeon delve groups want to spam Idris/Cloak Tower for fast runs) and am trying to buy it now for about a mil over on Dragon.
Mad Dragon wasn't as hard as I thought it was going to be but we still failed cause we had a few weak links in our group.
The main strategy we did it was basically the 2 Rogues (or a GWF) were on the boss full time, Control Wizard on boss initially mixing in CC on Magus adds when he could. I was on keeping Magus and Snaring Imps off the healer full time. When adds first come, it's only 4-5 legions. The Rogue the boss is on stays on the boss and the rest get the adds that I was offtanking. We then got back on boss and the second set of adds are much harder. Basically you do the same deal with the Rogue the boss is on tanks him away while we handle adds. I offtank 1-2 Erinynes and the big guy while the CW/TR (GWF) focus 1 of them down with a CC lock (since the Erins massive AOE heal) away from the pack. Kinda hectic here and probably most dangerous part. Afterwords you're golden and it's just coast to victory.
We tried numerous other methods, such as me tanking boss away from adds and everything and it just didn't work out until I played bodyguard on the Healer. The only reason we failed was the Rogue the boss was on kept running over to kill adds for some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> reason and the boss would drop non stop AOE on top of us plus the Magus AOE plus the adds...just a stupid scene. That and we had a super weak CW who would die in 1 hit to Magus blow up and was dealing like zero damage. That's PUGs for ya.
Personally I've borderline given up on getting the helm via Normal means (most dungeon delve groups want to spam Idris/Cloak Tower for fast runs) and am trying to buy it now for about a mil over on Dragon.
Well, there may be a bright side - I did 6 T2 Delves today (6 chests), and 5 of them dropped T1 set items. Not sure if that's a bug or what, but it might be possible that the delve chests contain completely random loot for your class. Which means you can farm whatever you want? Or possibly farm the T2 helm drop and hope for a T1, etc. Not sure, you'll have to browse around and see if other people are posting about it. But most of the people in my group today kept getting T1 items from T2 delves.
Out of curiosity as to if this is intended or not, I posted a thread here. I'm headed to bed for the night, but feel free to bump/check on that thread to see if there's a dev response. It would be a little disappointing if T2 delves are meant to drop T1 items, but also would help with farming if it's meant to be completely random. Either way, good luck with your drops.
I guess you should try Knight's valor too. It's really helpful to the group and it has about 50% uptime. Most importantly it gives you about 10% action points per member it affects. I found it very surprising how it generated so many action points but it did.
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joshxorMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
What stats do you choose w/ this spec? Str/con? Str/dex?
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aedndorfMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 18Arc User
edited May 2013
Have to rant a bit,butl im done with dungeon farming, its pointless to the extreme to bother to farm T1 dungeons for the set items. Ran another 5-8 dungeon runs today, and frankly every one was a joke. The 2 that were delve chests gave me blue items, and in a total of 50+ runs i have obtained 1 set item, the knight captain helm. i am all for working for items but at the current rate it would take 500 runs for me to get the stalwart bulwark set.
Given that the PVE epic content is so poorly designed as to be laughable, running a silly random drop system on top of it, just sucks any kind of fun out of the epic dungeons.
Hey rokuthy, any idea which T2 set is the best option for this build? or is Stelwart superior due to 4 piece bonus?
Stalwart will put out most DPS as far as a full set is concerned (at T1), and then I believe the only DPS upgrade set would be Timeless + Tenebrous enchants. And that would be perfectly fine for tanking as well. I need two more pieces of the timeless set, I currently use 5xTenebrous in one of my sets. I'm also collecting the Regents set (and have full jewelry for tanking) just in case any changes come through to either the GF class or the way instance tanking works.
But if all stays the same, then for tanking I'd say Timeless is BiS, with a healthy balance of defensive and offensive stats to compliment it.
I'm pretty sure in my final hybrid build I'll have 45% damage reduction, then everything else pumped into DPS stats.
I have the knight captain's set but i think it's broken, spent 10 mins using my abilities but didn't seem to proc once, and if/when it does there's probably a hidden cooldown. set sucks..
I've been told by a few people now, one of which has a nice DPS spreadsheet with solid formulas, that basically for DPS, the weights are Recovery to 3,000 -> Power -> Crit. Which is pretty much the way I gear anyways (have 2900 recovery atm).
Even with those stats in mind, I think it makes Timeless even stronger - it comes with an already high amount of power and recovery, the crit from the set bonus covers your crit needs, allowing you to finish out recovery with jewelry.
Rokuthy, I actually doubt that Tenebrous is better than normal enchants. Tenebrous has an ICD (Which means that you swing, it procs, then it can't proc for a while). Even for GWFs this leads to tenebrous doing only 3% of their total dps. I'll calc out Timeless vs Stalwark later on my spreadsheet.
Edit: do you know the stats on timeless boots/arms/head?
Rokuthy, I actually doubt that Tenebrous is better than normal enchants. Tenebrous has an ICD (Which means that you swing, it procs, then it can't proc for a while). Even for GWFs this leads to tenebrous doing only 3% of their total dps. I'll calc out Timeless vs Stalwark later on my spreadsheet.
Yeah I've noticed the ICD. Each enchant would have its own, so its 5x procs with whatever the ICD is, which feels like 10 seconds. But that's just a quick gut guess.
Just a quick edit since Envy messaged me... he doesn't think there's an ICD, because occasionally off a single dot tick or swing you'll see multiple procs (for instance 9 procs off of 5 enchants), but I'm thinking it can just double proc, but after that double proc, the ICD kicks in. I beat on a dummy for a while with just one equipped and basically noticed that's how it was working.
Rokuthy, I actually doubt that Tenebrous is better than normal enchants. Tenebrous has an ICD (Which means that you swing, it procs, then it can't proc for a while). Even for GWFs this leads to tenebrous doing only 3% of their total dps. I'll calc out Timeless vs Stalwark later on my spreadsheet.
Edit: do you know the stats on timeless boots/arms/head?
The stats would just be a direct upgrade to the Valiant set, so look at those items then add a few in each stat.
On a single cleave can the tenebrous proc x5 on say 3 targets? (basically x15)
Trading 1k power and 370 recovery for x5 tenebrous doesn't seem worth it.
That never happened for me. I never saw a 9 proc off one swing, either. Occasionally I'd see where one tenebrous would double proc, but for the most part I'd just get singles. So I don't know.
so the timeless would be a better set for dpsing then the stalwart?
I won't know until I test it out myself, but I'll say that when I go full DPS gear (higher crit, higher base power, etc.), I can't touch the DPS I do with full Stalwart. So we'll see.
I won't know until I test it out myself, but I'll say that when I go full DPS gear (higher crit, higher base power, etc.), I can't touch the DPS I do with full Stalwart. So we'll see.
After playing with the spreadsheet for a while, it's pretty clear that we don't scale all that well with crit (at least in terms of sustained DPS). Recovery and Power show the biggest DPS gains (crit is still excellent and dominant in PvP where burst is crucial, though).
Recovery to 25% with 13,000 power (only attainable with Stalwart 4 piece) is attainable and shows the highest DPS potential - I'm comparing this against 7,000 power and 30% crit (with 25% recovery) and the higher power setup blows it away).
It looks like 5% crit = 88 net dps (single target), and it stays linear.
At 23.6% recharge, 12,200 power and 20% crit - the biggest gain I get point per point is still recovery, followed closely by power, and then crit.
After playing with the spreadsheet for a while, it's pretty clear that we don't scale all that well with crit (at least in terms of sustained DPS). Recovery and Power show the biggest DPS gains (crit is still excellent and dominant in PvP where burst is crucial, though).
Recovery to 25% with 13,000 power (only attainable with Stalwart 4 piece) is attainable and shows the highest DPS potential - I'm comparing this against 7,000 power and 30% crit (with 25% recovery) and the higher power setup blows it away).
It looks like 5% crit = 88 net dps (single target), and it stays linear.
At 23.6% recharge, 12,200 power and 20% crit - the biggest gain I get point per point is still recovery, followed closely by power, and then crit.
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So far twinkers dream, was buying up cheap purples on the AH for my cleric alt.
There's some ppl lvl 38 + whos willing to pay AD fot that gear early
And yea. Finding a Gud party for Mad dragon on Queue is so annoying.
These are my results as well.
Mad Dragon wasn't as hard as I thought it was going to be but we still failed cause we had a few weak links in our group.
The main strategy we did it was basically the 2 Rogues (or a GWF) were on the boss full time, Control Wizard on boss initially mixing in CC on Magus adds when he could. I was on keeping Magus and Snaring Imps off the healer full time. When adds first come, it's only 4-5 legions. The Rogue the boss is on stays on the boss and the rest get the adds that I was offtanking. We then got back on boss and the second set of adds are much harder. Basically you do the same deal with the Rogue the boss is on tanks him away while we handle adds. I offtank 1-2 Erinynes and the big guy while the CW/TR (GWF) focus 1 of them down with a CC lock (since the Erins massive AOE heal) away from the pack. Kinda hectic here and probably most dangerous part. Afterwords you're golden and it's just coast to victory.
We tried numerous other methods, such as me tanking boss away from adds and everything and it just didn't work out until I played bodyguard on the Healer. The only reason we failed was the Rogue the boss was on kept running over to kill adds for some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> reason and the boss would drop non stop AOE on top of us plus the Magus AOE plus the adds...just a stupid scene. That and we had a super weak CW who would die in 1 hit to Magus blow up and was dealing like zero damage. That's PUGs for ya.
Personally I've borderline given up on getting the helm via Normal means (most dungeon delve groups want to spam Idris/Cloak Tower for fast runs) and am trying to buy it now for about a mil over on Dragon.
Well, there may be a bright side - I did 6 T2 Delves today (6 chests), and 5 of them dropped T1 set items. Not sure if that's a bug or what, but it might be possible that the delve chests contain completely random loot for your class. Which means you can farm whatever you want? Or possibly farm the T2 helm drop and hope for a T1, etc. Not sure, you'll have to browse around and see if other people are posting about it. But most of the people in my group today kept getting T1 items from T2 delves.
Out of curiosity as to if this is intended or not, I posted a thread here. I'm headed to bed for the night, but feel free to bump/check on that thread to see if there's a dev response. It would be a little disappointing if T2 delves are meant to drop T1 items, but also would help with farming if it's meant to be completely random. Either way, good luck with your drops.
Honestly, I think none. The only one that could get close is Timeless.
Given that the PVE epic content is so poorly designed as to be laughable, running a silly random drop system on top of it, just sucks any kind of fun out of the epic dungeons.
Stalwart will put out most DPS as far as a full set is concerned (at T1), and then I believe the only DPS upgrade set would be Timeless + Tenebrous enchants. And that would be perfectly fine for tanking as well. I need two more pieces of the timeless set, I currently use 5xTenebrous in one of my sets. I'm also collecting the Regents set (and have full jewelry for tanking) just in case any changes come through to either the GF class or the way instance tanking works.
But if all stays the same, then for tanking I'd say Timeless is BiS, with a healthy balance of defensive and offensive stats to compliment it.
I'm pretty sure in my final hybrid build I'll have 45% damage reduction, then everything else pumped into DPS stats.
Even with those stats in mind, I think it makes Timeless even stronger - it comes with an already high amount of power and recovery, the crit from the set bonus covers your crit needs, allowing you to finish out recovery with jewelry.
It's a nice set.
Edit: do you know the stats on timeless boots/arms/head?
Yeah I've noticed the ICD. Each enchant would have its own, so its 5x procs with whatever the ICD is, which feels like 10 seconds. But that's just a quick gut guess.
Just a quick edit since Envy messaged me... he doesn't think there's an ICD, because occasionally off a single dot tick or swing you'll see multiple procs (for instance 9 procs off of 5 enchants), but I'm thinking it can just double proc, but after that double proc, the ICD kicks in. I beat on a dummy for a while with just one equipped and basically noticed that's how it was working.
I'm not 100% sure though.
The stats would just be a direct upgrade to the Valiant set, so look at those items then add a few in each stat.
Example of proc'ing within 10 seconds.
9 Procs on one swing. However, like Rokuthy suggested the initial proc seems to double proc often.
Either way, stacking Tenes is without the doubt the biggest DPS increase that you can gain through offensive slots.
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The ICD starts after you proc tenebrous
post a parse of dps after a dungeon
After testing it more, the ICD seems to be around 5 seconds - when testing with just a single enchant, my average proc rate occurred at 7 seconds.
On a single cleave can the tenebrous proc x5 on say 3 targets? (basically x15)
Trading 1k power and 370 recovery for x5 tenebrous doesn't seem worth it.
That never happened for me. I never saw a 9 proc off one swing, either. Occasionally I'd see where one tenebrous would double proc, but for the most part I'd just get singles. So I don't know.
I won't know until I test it out myself, but I'll say that when I go full DPS gear (higher crit, higher base power, etc.), I can't touch the DPS I do with full Stalwart. So we'll see.
oh ok thanks for the quick reply
DPS Spreadsheet
Added to OP - thanks Sanctumz.
Recovery to 25% with 13,000 power (only attainable with Stalwart 4 piece) is attainable and shows the highest DPS potential - I'm comparing this against 7,000 power and 30% crit (with 25% recovery) and the higher power setup blows it away).
It looks like 5% crit = 88 net dps (single target), and it stays linear.
At 23.6% recharge, 12,200 power and 20% crit - the biggest gain I get point per point is still recovery, followed closely by power, and then crit.
which runes are you using
HP in defense (defense in defense on pet), recovery in pet offense slots, Tenebrous in my offense slots (for now, Im on the fence about this)
ok thanks now i know what to look for