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Zen only respec makes this game pay-to-win
thehadriel
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To begin, let me say that I thought I needed 20 points to unlock the third rank of a power. Apparently this is not true. I am now level 45 with rank 2 in every power. This is not good. I will now be inferior to every single wizard in the game. How do I fix this? Spend $6. Spend $6 and be up to par with the other wizards. Even if I didn't make the mistake of unlocking rank 2 of every power, I still would have made some mistakes in powers I didn't want.
The cash shop as it is currently is ridiculous. It is pay-to-win. Cosmetic stuff? Dyes? Outfits? Mounts? Astral Diamonds? Companions? Fine. But the ability to respec? That's just way over the line. Cryptic, you're restricting us from choosing our skills. Please change this.
The cash shop as it is currently is ridiculous. It is pay-to-win. Cosmetic stuff? Dyes? Outfits? Mounts? Astral Diamonds? Companions? Fine. But the ability to respec? That's just way over the line. Cryptic, you're restricting us from choosing our skills. Please change this.
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Also you can sell AD to zen and pay for it that way...I have little trouble raising enough AD and have had enough for a token.
Not PTW at all it is pay for time..nothing more. How does a respect token make you win? lol.
That's obviously not Pay to Win.
That's directly against most players morale (at least I still like to think so) - to force people ninja over in-game currency just because there are barely any other as profitable ways to get AD.
Is there some competitive pvp scene with prizes that I'm missing at some point in the game?
600 Zen is like 225K AD right now. That's like a day's work.
Win the e-peen contest, duh
How is that a day's work? It took me forever to make 50k AD.
Multiple toons and no life. XD
Tried to be funny; failed miserably. Good job.
No, you run dungeons, obviously. And sell the good stuff.
Yeah, still no life
No wonder if you make a new thread like this one every day.
On a serious note, 225k a day is quick at the moment. T2 epic gear sells well still, praying gives you blue wards that you can sell for up to 100k and there are also other AH methods that work very well even at low levels, but I'm not going to share those here -- or everyone will do it.
But that said, I agree that respecs should be available as a base feature. I don't agree that this makes the game "p2w", because you get more power points than you actually need to have a "perfect" build, there is still a lot of debate going on what is "best". Feats can be respecced with AD. The hardest content has already been beaten and I'm not sure everyone had the mathematically best setup or build, because we don't know yet what that even is. So, all the content is very realistically accessible to everyone, even if you never contribute to the game's upkeep and development.
There is nothing to win, and besides, respec tokens are very inexpensive and you can reasonably earn them by playing the game. I still think respeccing should be offered for free, but at the same time I also don't think it's a big issue unless you're a guide writer or theorycrafter.
Weakest insult ever.
I disagree. As quick as it is to level if you do not like your feats and do not wish to spend money reroll and be 60 next week. Given how quick it is to level in this game respec is a convenience item therefor not pay to win.
I don't see it as a problem. I like my builds and have no need to respec. Just reroll your toon if you messed things up.
So running dungeons that take 30-40 minutes if u know what ur doing means u have no life? u could do 3 a day after work and socializing. ur telling me theres not millions of ppl who sit in front a tv instead of a pc for hours on end out there? get real
Id call u a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> but thatd be insulting mentally challenged
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But...obviously the ratio time:money will be heavily P2W, because we all know that to gain 10$ worth by playing the game you will have to play several hours.
No sir you are full of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. i made an enchant and sold it on the AH and made over 260k in 1 day. There is so many ways of making AD in this game. stop being slack and making a reason to complain about A FREE GAME
THIS.
Gold for respecs or gtfo crytpic/pwe scum cash guzzlers.
Anyway this game gonna shutdown in around 1 year, so dont worry about it.
People who defend that this game is not pay2win must never ever played a good game in their life, neither know the word pay2win.
Pay2win means the publisher offer product that make your game much more easier, by saving time, farming, gear. There is small degree that is acceptable by most players in long term games like +25% drop rate boost or +25% more exp in grindy games. Anything above that could be overdone and stated as pay2win.
There is no term as pay2savetime or whatever you wanna name that. Time = money = power. So stop making up terms if you dont know what you are talking about.
And they probably couldn't figure out why people were so pissed off when they had plunked down a $200 lifetime sub and were still expected to shell out to respec their characters
Another great post, you're pretty much the only one with any sort of compelling counter argument.
However this once again comes back to the crux of all issues, which is simply that we have to as a community ascertain if they (PWE/Cryptic) sell power. If we all agree that it's not the sale of power, that's fine. If they do sell power then while not pay to win, it's pay to obtain power, that doesn't matter if someone else can "eventually" grind and scalp enough AD to obtain said power, it's the fact they sell it in the first place which gets on the nerves of many people.
Pricing is one thing, subjective opinion on what "Pay to win" is another, but the sale of power is largely considered an undesirable montization practice. But it's somewhat of a subjective one. And it's also quite important to consider just how long one CAN realistically catch up to a cash shop user (if power is sold) and if they can remain RELEVANT in terms of stats. It might not DESTROY the game or make it unplayable, but it's still bad design and more than a little imbalanced, considering there are other approaches to monetization, it makes me wonder why go with this one?
and the flip side of the coin, the TERRIBLE counter argument, first of all if you're going to come on so strong in your argument, PROVE your points, else given your attitude people will be forgiven for actually ignoring the claims or finding them incredulous. Second of all FREE does NOT have to equal BAD. The arguments about the monetization are NOT negated by the fact it's free. At all. Ever. Period.
That's childish logic.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
As for T2 gear selling well, sure right now it does for those who paid to play early and got a jump. By the time the masses get to L60 the AH will turn into one big constipated log jam and nothing will move just like the D3 AH.
That said, the game was free. Most MMOs you'd spend 60 for the game and 15/month to play. Your options are
1: delete and reroll
2: spend the time to get AD and trade for zen
3: play as-rolled (and really, I can eff up a 1 car funeral but 4 seconds of reading and you'd have understood how the power mechanic worked)
4: spend what amounts to 2 cups of starbucks coffee on a respec token
3 of these 4 options let you respec without spending a dime. To me the OP is just sport b*tching.