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lyfebane
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SO after listening to the NOCS interview, it seems look boxes will be in. What I would like to see for this if it is the case that they sell permenant keys for each type of lock box. So you could buy a key that opens one lock box but disappears, but you can also buy a key that willl open all of those boxes and not disappear (or reusable). This would cost something like the equivilent of 10-15 keys maybe. What this does is give a income but not be too greedy. As they change box types from time to time, new permenant keys would be required for new boxes.
Maybe even have 1 fairly expensive lockbox permant skeleton key that will open any box ever, thinking probably equal to cost of 50+ standard key?
Maybe even have 1 fairly expensive lockbox permant skeleton key that will open any box ever, thinking probably equal to cost of 50+ standard key?
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I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
People have reportedly spent over $300 trying to get ships from lock boxes in STO. Why would they give that up for people qq'ing on a forum?
If they added a permanent unlock (permanent key...maybe call it a skeleton key) for lockboxes to the Hero Pack I'd pony up the $200 for that pack. That could be the tipping point for a lot of people.
If they added such, it'd probably make the price $300, but I'm sure a lot of people would still go for it.
That option would turn down a LOT of the hate Cryptic gets about lock boxes.
Like keirkin said, I would love to have an option so I never have to see them drop at all, if they are truly on a separate loot system then it should be possible to turn them off and never have to look at or delete them out of my inventory again.. .
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exactly. i get the feeling that most of the haters are from STO and CO lol
Well, it'll never happen anyway, so why not?
I'd like to see the entire playerbase never once open a lockbox that drops in this game.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
And I would do the same if I would be in their place. No one is forcing us to spend any money on them and people are doing it on their free will.
I don't care about the Lockboxes as they don't affect my standard drops.
I also never ever opened one in STO and never will. An that won't change for NW.
What would be nice and I fully agree with that, if we could switch them off. Or even better if I could sel them to a vendor for some ingame currency.
I do like the idea of turning lock boxes off though:) though is starkos is right then it might not be so bad.
I won't personally bother with lock boxes but I won't begrudge anyone that does, and without any kind of knowledge about what will be in the lock boxes I don't see anything to worry about.
I feel the "nobody forces" you argument, while correct, is not entirely true. Players might still feel pressure to buy them, yes no one forces you, but there is more subtle pressures associated, never understate sociological effects such as what am I missing, look I can get that really cool item etc. Having an item you can see on the cash shop and know whether it helps you what price it is and so on is no one forcing you, Lock boxes are clever and cynical in design to prey on the human psychology, also as technically gambling which is illegal is some countries, and you have to think about those underage (i do not think this is an 18+ rated game), something that in the NOCS interview they are aware off and keeping an eye on.
By that logic Kinder eggs and trading sticker packs are also gambling
I agree they are very tempting and are designed that way to MAKE people want to buy them that means they are doing there job. Lets not forget that you will be able to earn the currency in game to buy the keys so you can still partake in a few lock boxes if you wish without financial outlay, we don't even know what items will be in the lock boxes yet
Umm you can open 1 per 5 days if you log in every day for 5 days. In Champions Online I got 188 boxes in 6 hours. If the same drop rate holds true in NWO in 2 hours I could pick up enough chests to open for over a year worth of free opens. That is if I log in every day and never miss a day. While I love the game, it doesn't mean I will not speak up about the things I don't like in it.
Please give me a "make stupid lock boxes invisible" check box in the game options.
Home shopping shows make things tempting for people to buy the useless junk on them. Maybe we should outlaw the home shopping channel!!!
People need to learn to take responsibility for their actions, things tempt me every day but I resist the urge. Like every day one of my co-workers opens his mouth and I am tempted to put him in the hospital because he is such and idiot and can't take responsibilty for his own stupid mistakes, but I resist the urge. I can afford to buy a new Ford Mustang or trade in my Harley for a new one, but I resist the urge. Don't resist the urge and it is no ones fault but your own.
Lock boxes you can not see what you get, you will know what can drop yes but not the rarity. What can drop is a wide variety compared to say a kinder egg or trading cards. If each lock box only dropped a certain type of thing, then it might be ok but often and mostly what is inside you would not normally buy.
Knowing not to put someone in hospital, which you would then go to prison for for assault, is in no way the same as thinking, well its only $20 I will give it a go, then well maybe another $20 and then another and so on. I am sure some of them would not gamble normally, or spend cash on random items either. Once in game, it can feel unreal too, that you are not spending that real cash.
Just because you can resist it does not mean all can, this is not designed to catch you, it IS designed to catch those who can not.
People need to learn that things are very rarely just black or just white, but lots of shades of grey.
it all boils down to individuals, in all walks of life people will spend beyond there means then blame the banks for giving them credit, take some responsibility and just say no
For me I will be buying the $60 founder pack and then allowing no more than 10 pounds a month just like a sub, that way if I do not wish to spend anything I don't have to and I can also save a for a few months for something special if I'd like to, plus I'll be supporting the game for as long as i'm playing it.
Exactly, with a set cooldown. That would be one way of doing it, most likely the lesser of MANY evils.
However lockboxes should not be in a game like this. In fact, it is almost a gambling issue, as it enforces gambling-like behaviour, when you aquire these boxes and need to use real money to aquire these keys.
That being said, everything in the game should be reachable by normal playstyle in my opinion. It's really just poor marketing the other way around, because it doesn't ensure the game to be a success, it forces players who wants to be the best to spend money on the game.
The only way to stop it, will be government intervention, short of a massive protest... the way I see it.
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That's pretty much the way I see it as well, I do think that before it's over with most governments will make PWE (because I just don't believe this is a Cryptic thing their hands are tied) start regulating such things more heavily. Honestly if they did their boxes the way SWTOR did theirs I feel there would be a lot less complaining at most you are going to drop 25 bucks to get a complete pack set instead of potentially several hundred dollars.
you do understand this is actually a huge money maker for them and helps them support the game? Look at it like this....if this was P2P at $15 a month, population would suck big time and the game would prob not have a long life. Putting in microtransations like this lets more and more people play even though there are some that would never buy keys, they might buy other things. This money is what keeps supporting the game and is why STO is still alive today. Got to look at this Big Picture.
... except that DDO is going strong over 6 years, with a p2p and f2p combo model. Zero lock boxes and no question they are on solid ground. There is more than one successful f2p model.
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