...Elistraee- death was important to save all drow. Now good drow can become dark elves and are not doomed for their fate is in hands of Corellon. So if you are a good drow, lolth can no longer control you - for Elistraee cleverly sacrificed her life to liberate a few good drow (plot hook to let drow roam freely as good - without having to do naked dance in front of open-air fires).
Actually, good drow can't become dark elves now. They had to either worship Elistraee at the time of her demise, or not have the blood of Wendonai the Balor in them. Which for the latter was only about 10-15% of the drow race population, so not many were made into dark elves. At the end of the book, it even says that in order to save her people, Elistraee sacrificed the souls of those who didn't worship her to save those who did. In other words, drow who didn't worship her at the time will forever be drow. They can still worship other gods (such as Corellon) and not enter Lolths domain, but they can never become dark elves. Which is probably why we won't be seeing them as their own race until D&D Next at least. I'm curious how they'll play that out though. I'm kind of hoping they lean them more towards wizards/priests, since those were the two classes that helped revive their race. Off-point, just thought I'd clear up the dark elf thing there.
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
*checks and sees they are still gods and not primordials*....
Are you sure? I thought they were made primordials...
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited January 2013
Gilrmn is correct, the 4th edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide lists the following as the Realms' Five Primordials. I've had them listed as Primordials since it's writing here also in my Grimoire. There is also the Seven Lost Gods stating that some of these lost seven gods, such as Dendar the Night Serpent, Kezef the Chaos Hound, and Borem of the Boiling Mud, may have been primordials.
The ones that have been Primordials and the Elemental Gods though and remain (exception: Bazim) are:
Akadi
Bazim-Gorag (he is actually an ascended batrachi to primordial form from old Pandemonium)
Grumbar
Istishia
Kossuth
The other four have always been the Realm's "Elemental Lords," or neutral primordial gods. Now it's just all official and they have their own category apart from the Gods.
The ones that have been Primordials and the Elemental Gods though and remain (exception: Bazim) are:
Akadi
Bazim-Gorag (he is actually an ascended batrachi to primordial form from old Pandemonium)
Grumbar
Istishia
Kossuth
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Oh! Thats nice knowing all the primordials. I was just suspecting it as they were never mentioned to be in Astral Plane and all gods have to be in Astral Sea.
Just checked the list on your updated thread. That is a nice list!
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited January 2013
I checked the actual FR campaign guide updated on the D&D Insider site. If they changed it, it is they who need to update it.
bitterwinterMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited January 2013
I'm assuming Truth that wasn't in answer to my question ...or was it?
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited January 2013
However, Orcus was resurrected by Quah-Nomag, one of his foremost high priests and thralls, in a blasphemous ritual he enacted in the Astral Plane. Orcus then reclaimed his kingdom and his original name, re-proclaiming himself Prince of the Undead, despite his hatred of undead. However, as a result of his second death and resurrection, Orcus has lost his divinity and is now a demon lord again.
According to the fourth edition Monster Manual, Orcus was once a mighty primordial who was corrupted by the evil of the Abyss, reshaping him "into the likeness of pure destructive evil".[28]:52 Long ago, the gods tried to slay Orcus while he was traveling outside the Abyss. Although the gods sent a host of angels to slay him, Orcus killed every last one of them.[28]:223
Orcus is not considered a god anymore and would fit now as an outside demon power. Technically since 4th ed, Orcus is a major Demon Lord and not a deity like Asmodeus became (again.)
Orcus is not considered a god anymore and would fit now as an outside demon power. Technically since 4th ed, Orcus is a major Demon Lord and not a deity like Asmodeus became (again.)
As truth said. Also I was not able to find any option for Player Character to worship him.
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bitterwinterMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited January 2013
Okay so he can still be doing machinations within the realms as Orcus the Prince of Undead (as a demon lord)? So we can use him as Foundry fodder?
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morbicMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited January 2013
I'm guessing that would be the path to follow unless Orcus shows up somewhere in canon material and throws your Foundry material into chaos....
Okay so he can still be doing machinations within the realms as Orcus the Prince of Undead (as a demon lord)? So we can use him as Foundry fodder?
Oh absolutely! He's been bothering even gods since his "reassignment" to Demon Lord and trying to achieve (or reachieve depending on edition,) godhood since!
I might have missed but were Avandra, Ioun, or Vecna still around anywhere?
These are Greyhawk/Base D&D deities, not Forgotten Realms gods. They do not exist or have no influence within the Realms' Crystal Sphere. The only Ioun that ever existed in the realms is an Archmage from Netheril who went by the name of Congenio Ioun and was the creator of the Ioun Stones, which at first were known as Congenio's Pebbles.
iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited January 2013
And just for the record, Vecna being a deity of secrets and all, DOES have his body "artifacts" show up in the FR. I can't share details, but there's even a quip about one of his "parts" in game somewhere....
"If I don't cry about it maybe they will forget" - Paranoid Wizard
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edited January 2013
:cool:Magryn here...Hard core - PnP Cleric. Good to finally tune in and see this level of excitement. On a side note...have I missed something in some thread or is it too soon to raise the question of spell lists ????
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Actually, good drow can't become dark elves now. They had to either worship Elistraee at the time of her demise, or not have the blood of Wendonai the Balor in them. Which for the latter was only about 10-15% of the drow race population, so not many were made into dark elves. At the end of the book, it even says that in order to save her people, Elistraee sacrificed the souls of those who didn't worship her to save those who did. In other words, drow who didn't worship her at the time will forever be drow. They can still worship other gods (such as Corellon) and not enter Lolths domain, but they can never become dark elves. Which is probably why we won't be seeing them as their own race until D&D Next at least. I'm curious how they'll play that out though. I'm kind of hoping they lean them more towards wizards/priests, since those were the two classes that helped revive their race. Off-point, just thought I'd clear up the dark elf thing there.
Where where?
*can't find the pink hair*
Are you sure? I thought they were made primordials...
The ones that have been Primordials and the Elemental Gods though and remain (exception: Bazim) are:
The other four have always been the Realm's "Elemental Lords," or neutral primordial gods. Now it's just all official and they have their own category apart from the Gods.
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Just checked the list on your updated thread. That is a nice list!
Something is not right here. Just opened the FRCG. (Actually I never realized which book had them until you told me)
Here is what it says on page 81:-
Yes this is a mess now.
Orcus is not considered a god anymore and would fit now as an outside demon power. Technically since 4th ed, Orcus is a major Demon Lord and not a deity like Asmodeus became (again.)
As truth said. Also I was not able to find any option for Player Character to worship him.
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Oh absolutely! He's been bothering even gods since his "reassignment" to Demon Lord and trying to achieve (or reachieve depending on edition,) godhood since!
The Abby of the Sword another Tempuran Temple exists in Battledale.
Oops! forgot to update it. Updating now.
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Those deities do not, never existed in Forgotten realms. They exist in other campaign settings and core setting.
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Tempus
Corellon
Selune
Moradin
Oghma
Silvanus
Sune
Torm
Kelemvor
Chauntea
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Were are the evil gods ?
I will quote Zebular here:-
Check deities in my signature. He lived in gates of the Moon. He is missing though.
EDIT: oops! Here
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?23281-Deities-of-New-Neverwinter-Detailed/page2&p=373521#post373521
EDIT2
didn't realize it was this thread itself