Yeah looking at my main (HR) and my alt (GF), there are some strange things that happen when standing still and no one else around. I am looking at approximately 89.3% RI on my HR before Mod 12 but now looking at 79.3% or so after Mod 12. So there is something that is strange as my companion influence was only like 300 or something like that. Not really a lot. I have since changed some stats around and gotten back up to the 80ish% that I was at...maybe like 86% with pots or something. So for the most part, things seem fine now. But would like to know what has been done to create such a change.
The stranger part of all this is that my alt is a (GF) that has 85.9% from straight Dark rank 12s. As I was running Chult yesterday and today, over time....my RI slowly drops with no one around e.g. after finishing running for an hour or so, my RI goes from 85.9% to 84.9% and then I saw it as low as 83 to 82% with no one around and be just being idle. After logging out yesterday and today, it will reset it back to my normal 85.9%. I tested it with my HR as well and found that the HR has the same similar problem.
So I'm not sure what's happened with the companion and changes on the back end but would hopefully like a possible explanation on it instead of having to spend AD to try and correct the situation till it gets looked at or fixed as throwing money (virtual or otherwise) isn't the way to fix the situation at all.
Thank you for you time, Tacet
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arcanjo86Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,093Arc User
I tried doing the math, but the numbers don't come out quite right for me. I have pretty high CHA on some of my loadouts and three legendary companions, but the drop I am seeing is a bit bigger than it should be according to my calculations.
I really wonder if there is some additional factor I am not taking into consideration.
i have 15% companion stat bonus written on my cw CHA ability stat, but "companion influence" stats became 0 from previous 500val , while on my dc its not same char had 14%,
my pet proc bonding before mod 12 gave me 96% critchance, now its at 80% something broke my crit chance
the stat fluctuating bug was in mod 11.5 and it looks like mod 12 has made it ever worse, it's a massive kick in the face as stats are what makes our character and some of us have spent a lot of real life money to get the stats we have
It's definitely something to do with companion influence, at least the percentage coming from charisma.
I respecced and made note of my stats, then increased my ability scores - charisma and intelligence, and made note of my stats again - there was no increase in my stats. I had 8% companion influence bonus from charisma and 0 companion influence from other sources. My legendary companion was summoned.
This was on preview in dread ring. No one else around. I did not attack to proc bondings at first, but then removed bondings to see if my companion had to attack to activate companion influence and still no stat increase.
I added a second legendary companion and got the 8% bonus from the companion but still no companion influence stat increase.
I have no ideas why people's stats are fluctuating, perhaps something (combat advantage?) activates companion influence, but for me companion influence bonus is not working at all.
my stats fluctuate between receiving the legendary bonus and not i know this because when I un summon my main companion my stats drop to the exact same as the lower fluctuating stat when my companion is summoned, if that makes sense
I had expected a stat bump, since I had acquired numerous legendary pets over time. From my perspective, I must have lost even more stats than it seems at first glance.
Yeah I was looking forward to a boost as well, especially as I'd spent 2 million getting 2 extra pets to Orange.And I had all my gear arranged so I'd hit 16k as soon as mod 12 dropped.
Not to be unfortunately, with the swapping about I'm back down to 15.6k again. Boohoo. My 2 new legendaries seem sometimes to not even contribute to my gearscore. Go figure.
I've done some extensive testing. With 1 legendary companion equipped, my stats stay rock solid. With 2 they fluctuate between +8 and -8% and with 3 +12 and -12. I've taken all my toons back to one legendary until it is fixed. Try it for yourself and see if you suffer the same problem I do.
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frozenfirevrMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,475Community Moderator
@nitocris83... Turning a blind eye only aggravates the issue. At the very least, give us a clue it's been noted down.
Sucks that the participation with community is going back to the old days.
I guess (drawing on my amazingly pathetic knowledge of coding), on the plus side, something that makes this much of a difference - thousands and thousands of stats difference, when buffed, can't be too hard to find.
Someone left their scissors in the patient when they sewed them up,
I've done testing aswell. With one legendary companion my stats dont stay solid. Power, crit, arpen fluctuate in a window wide of 16-17%, going from 88 to 104% crit chance for example without any reason while hitting dummies.
My HR has 0 comp influence and 12 char which is 2% worth of comp stats so i dont see a reason to "sigh" at this kind of post and explaining to us that comp influence got modified since we were aware of that. My CW has around same fluctuation aswell.
It seems that the 16% from the first leg companion are MIA? Idk but something is definitely weird. I agree that devs should let us know asap if its working as they intend it to, or if its a bug definitely so that we can rework our stats (again).
arcanjo86Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,093Arc User
just to add control bonus from ability score stat is not given says 14% and control stat is zero, guess the challenge for mod 12 was to remove stats from player to make mod 12 harder
Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily.
As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.
Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily.
As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.
Would it be helpful if folks got in the habit of including links / messages to these types of posts in the feedback threads as well?
Because to clarify, this is a pretty big bug and it is definitely specific to the mod12 launch (and in all likelihood related to some of the reworks that were mentioned for companions and their active bonuses).
I think folks have a tendency to create dedicated threads for very significant bugs, so it's easier to track discussion and collect evidence related to that specific topic. But if that means that some of these get considered lower priority because they are not emphasized in the official feedback threads, the community needs to know to change our behavior and link to individual bug posts in the main threads too.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
Would it be helpful if folks got in the habit of including links / messages to these types of posts in the feedback threads as well?
Because to clarify, this is a pretty big bug and it is definitely specific to the mod12 launch (and in all likelihood related to some of the reworks that were mentioned for companions and their active bonuses).
I think folks have a tendency to create dedicated threads for very significant bugs, so it's easier to track discussion and collect evidence related to that specific topic. But if that means that some of these get considered lower priority because they are not emphasized in the official feedback threads, the community needs to know to change our behavior and link to individual bug posts in the main threads too.
Further, when the moderators merge diverse threads into a primary bug thread, Vanilla sorts every post into chronological order, and information that was previously threaded becomes jumbled.
It's fine when there aren't many replies or if the replies are just a bunch of "me too" type stuff, but if further diagnosis or workarounds have started to be posted, the loss of context is decidedly unhelpful.
So, I'll echo, is cross-linking (without requesting a merge) helpful?
adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
what primarily needs "clarification" (or, better yet, "fixing") are the fluctuations people are now seeing, and many report they get worse if you have 3 or more legendary companions. That's just not normal or expected.
So, I'll echo, is cross-linking (without requesting a merge) helpful?
We'll discuss in the community team if we can strike a better balance between keeping thematically related issues together (launch-day bugs) and not losing the context of the individual discussions (bugs with significant non-me-too discussion).
> @dupeks said: > Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily. > > As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications. > > Would it be helpful if folks got in the habit of including links / messages to these types of posts in the feedback threads as well? > > Because to clarify, this is a pretty big bug and it is definitely specific to the mod12 launch (and in all likelihood related to some of the reworks that were mentioned for companions and their active bonuses). > > I think folks have a tendency to create dedicated threads for very significant bugs, so it's easier to track discussion and collect evidence related to that specific topic. But if that means that some of these get considered lower priority because they are not emphasized in the official feedback threads, the community needs to know to change our behavior and link to individual bug posts in the main threads too.
it's in mod 11.5 as well it's just not as bad
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santralafaxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,896Arc User
Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily.
As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.
> Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily.
>
> As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.
>
> Would it be helpful if folks got in the habit of including links / messages to these types of posts in the feedback threads as well?
>
> Because to clarify, this is a pretty big bug and it is definitely specific to the mod12 launch (and in all likelihood related to some of the reworks that were mentioned for companions and their active bonuses).
>
> I think folks have a tendency to create dedicated threads for very significant bugs, so it's easier to track discussion and collect evidence related to that specific topic. But if that means that some of these get considered lower priority because they are not emphasized in the official feedback threads, the community needs to know to change our behavior and link to individual bug posts in the main threads too.
it's in mod 11.5 as well it's just not as bad
I'm not certain. I kind of think that the Mod 11.5 stuff was different, and in "fixing" it they screwed up some other stuff.
That's my best understanding of what's going on at least with the "companion influence" stuff. Either that or it was so pervasive that everyone was balanced around some unexpectedly amplified stats and the devs decide they are OK with just removing that slice of stats from everyone and telling us to deal with it. To be frank, I mostly want some official clarity before I start re-investing in finalized stat distributions for Chult.
I'm aware that stats were unstable in 11.5 and certain companions with certain interactions would grow stats over time in combat. If that's what you're referring to, then again I strongly think that what we have in Mod12 is related but a little different.
(and I'm also aware that legendary active had some weirdness to it in Mod11.5 as well, but again it's gotten _way_ worse in Mod12)
That's my best understanding of what's going on at least with the "companion influence" stuff. Either that or it was so pervasive that everyone was balanced around some unexpectedly amplified stats and the devs decide they are OK with just removing that slice of stats from everyone and telling us to deal with it. To be frank, I mostly want some official clarity before I start re-investing in finalized stat distributions for Chult.
(and I'm also aware that legendary active had some weirdness to it in Mod11.5 as well, but again it's gotten _way_ worse in Mod12)
I'm in the same boat. Not touching much of anything on my HR and GWF until there is some kind of statement about what is going on. Not investing in other enchants, gear, companions or artifacts.
HR: Vretzen GWF: Vretzina OP: Vee DC: Evee CW: nezterV
This is an issue we are investigating and believe we have a fix for. It is still being tested so I can't say with 100% certainty that this is completely fixed at this time, but we are working on it.
We certainly realize when something like this pops up that players want answers immediately, as anyone would when they see their stats change. But we wanted to make sure we had looked into it, could see what was going on and determine what needed to be done about it before making any statement when we might not have had the full story yet.
This is an issue we are investigating and believe we have a fix for. It is still being tested so I can't say with 100% certainty that this is completely fixed at this time, but we are working on it.
We certainly realize when something like this pops up that players want answers immediately, as anyone would when they see their stats change. But we wanted to make sure we had looked into it, could see what was going on and determine what needed to be done about it before making any statement when we might not have had the full story yet.
Thanks for jumping in with the context, really appreciate the acknowledgement!
Are you able to share any additional information about what you think is going on? We know that the knowledge might not be complete / tell the whole story, but it would be really appreciated if you could share where you are in the process and what you suspect may be at play.
Sharing with the community might also help bring additional insight (your explanations might prompt folks to bring additional evidence to light).
And as always, engaging with the community (even something simple like saying "we hear you and are looking into this") helps build trust, rapport, and engagement. And whereas I know ya'll have a lot going on, it's also not _that_ time-consuming to give a quick shout that you're looking into a specific issue.
I always tell my teams, if a client request / inquiry is going to take more than a couple hours, send them a note that you're working on it. If the client requests something on Monday, they will be more satisfied if you reply right away and tell them you'll get it to them by Friday, than if you don't say a word and deliver it on Wednesday. Doesn't strictly apply in this situation, but I think that the core idea is still relevant
> @nitocris83 said: > Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily. > > As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.
I'd say it was a very big bug a lot of us have paid a lot of real money to get where we are with our stats and to have it wiped out by a bug is just a slap in the face
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The stranger part of all this is that my alt is a (GF) that has 85.9% from straight Dark rank 12s. As I was running Chult yesterday and today, over time....my RI slowly drops with no one around e.g. after finishing running for an hour or so, my RI goes from 85.9% to 84.9% and then I saw it as low as 83 to 82% with no one around and be just being idle. After logging out yesterday and today, it will reset it back to my normal 85.9%. I tested it with my HR as well and found that the HR has the same similar problem.
So I'm not sure what's happened with the companion and changes on the back end but would hopefully like a possible explanation on it instead of having to spend AD to try and correct the situation till it gets looked at or fixed as throwing money (virtual or otherwise) isn't the way to fix the situation at all.
Thank you for you time,
Tacet
my pet proc bonding before mod 12 gave me 96% critchance, now its at 80% something broke my crit chance
I respecced and made note of my stats, then increased my ability scores - charisma and intelligence, and made note of my stats again - there was no increase in my stats. I had 8% companion influence bonus from charisma and 0 companion influence from other sources. My legendary companion was summoned.
This was on preview in dread ring. No one else around. I did not attack to proc bondings at first, but then removed bondings to see if my companion had to attack to activate companion influence and still no stat increase.
I added a second legendary companion and got the 8% bonus from the companion but still no companion influence stat increase.
I have no ideas why people's stats are fluctuating, perhaps something (combat advantage?) activates companion influence, but for me companion influence bonus is not working at all.
Could you please break out those horns of yours and check into this?
Thanks.
Not to be unfortunately, with the swapping about I'm back down to 15.6k again. Boohoo. My 2 new legendaries seem sometimes to not even contribute to my gearscore. Go figure.
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Sucks that the participation with community is going back to the old days.
Someone left their scissors in the patient when they sewed them up,
My HR has 0 comp influence and 12 char which is 2% worth of comp stats so i dont see a reason to "sigh" at this kind of post and explaining to us that comp influence got modified since we were aware of that.
My CW has around same fluctuation aswell.
It seems that the 16% from the first leg companion are MIA? Idk but something is definitely weird.
I agree that devs should let us know asap if its working as they intend it to, or if its a bug definitely so that we can rework our stats (again).
Thanks.
As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.
I think 30% of my in game time is spent stat balancing.
Because to clarify, this is a pretty big bug and it is definitely specific to the mod12 launch (and in all likelihood related to some of the reworks that were mentioned for companions and their active bonuses).
I think folks have a tendency to create dedicated threads for very significant bugs, so it's easier to track discussion and collect evidence related to that specific topic. But if that means that some of these get considered lower priority because they are not emphasized in the official feedback threads, the community needs to know to change our behavior and link to individual bug posts in the main threads too.
It's fine when there aren't many replies or if the replies are just a bunch of "me too" type stuff, but if further diagnosis or workarounds have started to be posted, the loss of context is decidedly unhelpful.
So, I'll echo, is cross-linking (without requesting a merge) helpful?
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@nitocris83 if that issue can get addressed before mod 12 hits consoles I'm pretty sure we all would appreciate it very much!
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> Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily.
>
> As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.
>
> Would it be helpful if folks got in the habit of including links / messages to these types of posts in the feedback threads as well?
>
> Because to clarify, this is a pretty big bug and it is definitely specific to the mod12 launch (and in all likelihood related to some of the reworks that were mentioned for companions and their active bonuses).
>
> I think folks have a tendency to create dedicated threads for very significant bugs, so it's easier to track discussion and collect evidence related to that specific topic. But if that means that some of these get considered lower priority because they are not emphasized in the official feedback threads, the community needs to know to change our behavior and link to individual bug posts in the main threads too.
it's in mod 11.5 as well it's just not as bad
That's my best understanding of what's going on at least with the "companion influence" stuff. Either that or it was so pervasive that everyone was balanced around some unexpectedly amplified stats and the devs decide they are OK with just removing that slice of stats from everyone and telling us to deal with it. To be frank, I mostly want some official clarity before I start re-investing in finalized stat distributions for Chult.
I'm aware that stats were unstable in 11.5 and certain companions with certain interactions would grow stats over time in combat. If that's what you're referring to, then again I strongly think that what we have in Mod12 is related but a little different.
(and I'm also aware that legendary active had some weirdness to it in Mod11.5 as well, but again it's gotten _way_ worse in Mod12)
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DC: Evee
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We certainly realize when something like this pops up that players want answers immediately, as anyone would when they see their stats change. But we wanted to make sure we had looked into it, could see what was going on and determine what needed to be done about it before making any statement when we might not have had the full story yet.
Thanks for the heads up.
Are you able to share any additional information about what you think is going on? We know that the knowledge might not be complete / tell the whole story, but it would be really appreciated if you could share where you are in the process and what you suspect may be at play.
Sharing with the community might also help bring additional insight (your explanations might prompt folks to bring additional evidence to light).
And as always, engaging with the community (even something simple like saying "we hear you and are looking into this") helps build trust, rapport, and engagement. And whereas I know ya'll have a lot going on, it's also not _that_ time-consuming to give a quick shout that you're looking into a specific issue.
I always tell my teams, if a client request / inquiry is going to take more than a couple hours, send them a note that you're working on it. If the client requests something on Monday, they will be more satisfied if you reply right away and tell them you'll get it to them by Friday, than if you don't say a word and deliver it on Wednesday. Doesn't strictly apply in this situation, but I think that the core idea is still relevant
> Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily.
>
> As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.
I'd say it was a very big bug a lot of us have paid a lot of real money to get where we are with our stats and to have it wiped out by a bug is just a slap in the face