Module 12 Stat Drops

jmiller84

dupeks said:

That's my best understanding of what's going on at least with the "companion influence" stuff. Either that or it was so pervasive that everyone was balanced around some unexpectedly amplified stats and the devs decide they are OK with just removing that slice of stats from everyone and telling us to deal with it. To be frank, I mostly want some official clarity before I start re-investing in finalized stat distributions for Chult.

(and I'm also aware that legendary active had some weirdness to it in Mod11.5 as well, but again it's gotten _way_ worse in Mod12)

I'm in the same boat. Not touching much of anything on my HR and GWF until there is some kind of statement about what is going on. Not investing in other enchants, gear, companions or artifacts.

noworries

This is an issue we are investigating and believe we have a fix for. It is still being tested so I can't say with 100% certainty that this is completely fixed at this time, but we are working on it.

We certainly realize when something like this pops up that players want answers immediately, as anyone would when they see their stats change. But we wanted to make sure we had looked into it, could see what was going on and determine what needed to be done about it before making any statement when we might not have had the full story yet.

niadan

No Worries....pun intended!

Thanks for the heads up.

dupeks

noworries#8859 said:

This is an issue we are investigating and believe we have a fix for. It is still being tested so I can't say with 100% certainty that this is completely fixed at this time, but we are working on it.

We certainly realize when something like this pops up that players want answers immediately, as anyone would when they see their stats change. But we wanted to make sure we had looked into it, could see what was going on and determine what needed to be done about it before making any statement when we might not have had the full story yet.

Thanks for jumping in with the context, really appreciate the acknowledgement!

Are you able to share any additional information about what you think is going on? We know that the knowledge might not be complete / tell the whole story, but it would be really appreciated if you could share where you are in the process and what you suspect may be at play.

Sharing with the community might also help bring additional insight (your explanations might prompt folks to bring additional evidence to light).

And as always, engaging with the community (even something simple like saying "we hear you and are looking into this") helps build trust, rapport, and engagement. And whereas I know ya'll have a lot going on, it's also not _that_ time-consuming to give a quick shout that you're looking into a specific issue.

I always tell my teams, if a client request / inquiry is going to take more than a couple hours, send them a note that you're working on it. If the client requests something on Monday, they will be more satisfied if you reply right away and tell them you'll get it to them by Friday, than if you don't say a word and deliver it on Wednesday. Doesn't strictly apply in this situation, but I think that the core idea is still relevant

muckingfuppet

> @nitocris83 said:
> Hi everyone. The first few days after a module launch, my main focus is going to be on the bugs thread for the specific launch since we want to make sure the code specific to the module release didn't do anything weird. So I wasn't ignoring other threads, just putting them on hold temporarily.
>
> As for stats changes, I'll ask for any details or clarifications.

I'd say it was a very big bug a lot of us have paid a lot of real money to get where we are with our stats and to have it wiped out by a bug is just a slap in the face

frozenfirevr

Yay! Thanks for finally responding ^_^

adinosii

Yes, responses like that are really appreciated @noworries#8859 We can wait for the fix, not a problem - the annoying thing is when we get no response whatsoever, so we don't know if you are aware of it, working on it, ignoring it or whatever.

So, thank you.

eolee

thanks you @noworries#8859 for your answer. is all i wanted to read. A bug. So i do not have to do major changes again and i'll be waiting for a fix.

ph33rm3

Today's patch is already on preview. Don't get too excited eolee and get ready to spend.
Good News: The stats don't fluctuate anymore.
Bad News: Still missing 1000's in power and several % crit and arp.

I prepared for mod 12 by setting my arp to a little over 85%. I've already had 5 legendary pets for ever. I thought when mod 12 hits and the 5 pet bonus kicks in I'll be over on arp and crit. No biggie I thought. I'll just change a couple insignia and be right back to where I am with more power.

Hah. Nope. Instead I had to add crit and arp... even after the additional bonus from the legendary pets.

It's a nerf. Clear and simple. (unless it's still bugged)


***edit***

I am on preview now. Watching my stats fluctuate. Same patch version as live. So I expect the same behavior on live

***edit two***

Patch is now live. Stats are still missing and what remains still fluctuates.

santralafax

I hope this is still being addressed, and maybe with the next patch. There seems to be 2 problems here: 1.) Stats that went down at the beginning of the module, for apparently no reason and 2.) Constant rolling of stats back and forth made worse perhaps by the additional legendary bonuses.

eion311

Yeah I can sit in PE solo in the corner not doing anything with my companion out and watch my HP's and other stats flip flop. One sec I'll have like 196k, then 200+k for few secs, then back to 196k.
Only two legendary companions active atm for me.

asterotg

I hope, that this is not one of these problems, when we get one statement like 'we know, that there are issues and we look into it' and because we dont keep pressing the issue, nothing happens.

gramps5scorpion

I have noticed that augmentation is on a timer and everytime the timer counts down to 0 my stats drop.. BUT... it doesn't always count down to 0. Most of the time it resets back to 11 seconds when the count gets down to 3 and the stats don't change at that point, only when it counts down to 0... WHY is there a timer on augmentation in the first place? It is a 100% of the time stat that should not change if you have it summoned. I can see this causing all kinds of issues with related bonus stats dropping when it resets from zero. Having said that, what is causing a timer to not always reach 0 before resetting?

frozenfirevr

gramps5scorpion said:

I have noticed that augmentation is on a timer and everytime the timer counts down to 0 my stats drop.. BUT... it doesn't always count down to 0. Most of the time it resets back to 11 seconds when the count gets down to 3 and the stats don't change at that point, only when it counts down to 0... WHY is there a timer on augmentation in the first place? It is a 100% of the time stat that should not change if you have it summoned. I can see this causing all kinds of issues with related bonus stats dropping when it resets from zero. Having said that, what is causing a timer to not always reach 0 before resetting?

Augmentation is a proc, like legendary bonuses and other things. If it isn't on a timer, it can keep stacking because of how they are setup. Sometimes, when switching zones and so, you might have noticed having 2 stacks of those, because of the timer, they don't stay that way. I probably resets earlier sometimes because the augment used its power earlier. They might be able to make it permanent now like they fixed bondings but *shrug*

forums700

Logging in after today's patch, I noticed my main's stats were higher.

But they are still fluctuating. If the patch was intended to fix this problem, it hasn't been a success.

Thanks.

Edit: Well, they did at first after I logged in. Now they seem more stable. Will have to watch it some more.

Edit 2: They seem to jump around a bit after zoning in to a new map, then stabilise.

muckingfuppet

my stats are at what they should be (Xbox) but they do fluctuate, they fluctuate between having my 15% legendary bonus and not having it

cerberusxll

forums700 said:

Logging in after today's patch, I noticed my main's stats were higher.

But they are still fluctuating. If the patch was intended to fix this problem, it hasn't been a success.

Thanks.

Edit: Well, they did at first after I logged in. Now they seem more stable. Will have to watch it some more.

mine were fluctuating post-patch, but after dismissing and resummoning, it seems to be sorted.

teflons7

frozenfirevr said:

gramps5scorpion said:

I have noticed that augmentation is on a timer and everytime the timer counts down to 0 my stats drop.. BUT... it doesn't always count down to 0. Most of the time it resets back to 11 seconds when the count gets down to 3 and the stats don't change at that point, only when it counts down to 0... WHY is there a timer on augmentation in the first place? It is a 100% of the time stat that should not change if you have it summoned. I can see this causing all kinds of issues with related bonus stats dropping when it resets from zero. Having said that, what is causing a timer to not always reach 0 before resetting?

Augmentation is a proc, like legendary bonuses and other things. If it isn't on a timer, it can keep stacking because of how they are setup. Sometimes, when switching zones and so, you might have noticed having 2 stacks of those, because of the timer, they don't stay that way. I probably resets earlier sometimes because the augment used its power earlier. They might be able to make it permanent now like they fixed bondings but *shrug*

That's not really how they work. It's not a 'proc'; I.E. Programmed Random OCcurance. Just like the Legendary Bonus, it's a permanent buff. Augments don't 'use' powers; if they did, they could proc bondings. That being said, I noticed the timer quite some time ago when I was still using augments and it always instantly reset, with no stat losses. If that's happening, they need to fix it.

lalpagueur

Stats are back for me, thanks !

niadan

My stats are back as well. I still see the temporary drop (like a timer reset) as before, but the stats do rebound shortly (most of the time within a sec or two) after they drop.

adinosii

Stats are back ... still getting fluctuations (my Power fluctuates between 58K and 66K, for example), but I can live with that.

frozenfirevr

teflons7 said:

frozenfirevr said:

gramps5scorpion said:

I have noticed that augmentation is on a timer and everytime the timer counts down to 0 my stats drop.. BUT... it doesn't always count down to 0. Most of the time it resets back to 11 seconds when the count gets down to 3 and the stats don't change at that point, only when it counts down to 0... WHY is there a timer on augmentation in the first place? It is a 100% of the time stat that should not change if you have it summoned. I can see this causing all kinds of issues with related bonus stats dropping when it resets from zero. Having said that, what is causing a timer to not always reach 0 before resetting?

Augmentation is a proc, like legendary bonuses and other things. If it isn't on a timer, it can keep stacking because of how they are setup. Sometimes, when switching zones and so, you might have noticed having 2 stacks of those, because of the timer, they don't stay that way. I probably resets earlier sometimes because the augment used its power earlier. They might be able to make it permanent now like they fixed bondings but *shrug*

That's not really how they work. It's not a 'proc'; I.E. Programmed Random OCcurance. Just like the Legendary Bonus, it's a permanent buff. Augments don't 'use' powers; if they did, they could proc bondings. That being said, I noticed the timer quite some time ago when I was still using augments and it always instantly reset, with no stat losses. If that's happening, they need to fix it.

That isn't the full form for proc, just one created from the term itself, proc quite possibly isn't an abbreviation. Augmentation is a power, but since it's a passive power, doesn't trigger bondings.

frozenfirevr

And, yes, the stats are proper once again, I think. Don't remember my exact stats before

And, while a lot more stable, they still fluctuate, even while not moving. But it's a lot less noticeable now, so yay!

santralafax

There is definite improvement. The fluctuations have driven me a little batty for a long time. When combined with stat drops, it was almost intolerable.

muckingfuppet

i bet as far as cryptic and the devs are concerned this is fixed and done with even though it's far from fixed

arcanjo86

not fixed at all i still get small fluctuation but i have to switch baphomets might and eoe last boon to get a stable critchance value, i also noticed when attacking a target dummy baphomet might boon dont activate in any time i hit the target dummy, something is interfering with this boon to activate on first time, im still testing on live with mobs to see if it activates the boon but if @noworries#8859 want to test for me intead and see if something is wrong, most thanfull, btw im talking when using my cw and stopped attacking dummy and let my summoned air archon hit dummy and values still fluctuates after last update, something needs to be done and fast, because i stopped prioritizing the legendary update of my companions.

nitocris83

We continue to monitor player reports on this issue to determine what may be occurring. Some situations have to be addressed in stages for methodological reasons (basically, if you do A B and C at once, you won't know which one, in which order, or what combo had the impact it did).