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demonmongerdemonmonger Posts: 3,350Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
What is a botter?

A botter is someone using extra software to automatically perform functions in game.

What is not a botter?

If someone is using the game as is without added software to automate their character they are not botting.


Is this correct?
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  • demonmongerdemonmonger Posts: 3,350Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    It's just a question... nothing more ...
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  • demonmongerdemonmonger Posts: 3,350Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    For some it may be difficult to dicern what is a bot and what is not.

    For those who don't know, some companions can make you look like a bot.

    For example slime has an aura attack that damages all that get close. If you move into an enemy spawn and sit there the slime will kill everything for you, even if you go take a shower and leave pc on.
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  • mattia78mattia78 Posts: 85Member Arc User
    Gonna add another question : is doing repeatedly for collecting AD (almost every day) with a few/lot low geared alts 3 man dungeons (ToS for example as is the fastest one) considered botting activity for Cryptic?
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  • mynaammynaam Posts: 812Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    I am actually interested if Using ACT is Seen as botting. This does not affect the game at all it just graphically display the result of the data collected by the game itself using /combatlog 1. If it is can some please let me know as I do find this a useful tool
    Scaling/nerfing is punishing all players
    Thank you for removing il from pvp boon
    Master expeditions is a good idea. Just extremely boring if it is only thing you do for 2 MODS
    Please do master/normal version of dungeons. This way content for all MOD 17 have nothing new for vast majority of player base
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  • mynaammynaam Posts: 812Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    mattia78 said:

    Gonna add another question : is doing repeatedly for collecting AD (almost every day) with a few/lot low geared alts 3 man dungeons (ToS for example as is the fastest one) considered botting activity for Cryptic?

    If you play it yourself and not use 3rd party software to simulate the play I assume that they will not see it as botting
    Scaling/nerfing is punishing all players
    Thank you for removing il from pvp boon
    Master expeditions is a good idea. Just extremely boring if it is only thing you do for 2 MODS
    Please do master/normal version of dungeons. This way content for all MOD 17 have nothing new for vast majority of player base
    Changes are getting so bad i would rather prefer no new changes (RIP ICE FISHING in winter fest)



  • asterotgasterotg Posts: 1,742Member Arc User
    I would guess, that having 20+ leadership mains/ alts is botting, no matter what.
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  • mynaammynaam Posts: 812Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    I have 13 toons all but 2 is level 70(be there soon), they do leadership. I made them however to do the missions from the SH to get our small guild the resources. That can't be botting as i do run the dungeons/skirmish/sh battles myself, I get the daily task on all toons everyday, but only do 2 toons task a day, That way i can do 5 days worth of task on 1 day and help the guild out. all but 3 of my toons are equiped with DF or better and i am working on all to have at least 10k IL.

    This helps releave presure on guildies(something mod 11b failed to do even after the promise it will) that have not done their boons in places like IWD. They do not need to donate those resources. I just work to makeup the slack myself.

    So i do not beleive it is botting just because you play a large amount of toons.
    Scaling/nerfing is punishing all players
    Thank you for removing il from pvp boon
    Master expeditions is a good idea. Just extremely boring if it is only thing you do for 2 MODS
    Please do master/normal version of dungeons. This way content for all MOD 17 have nothing new for vast majority of player base
    Changes are getting so bad i would rather prefer no new changes (RIP ICE FISHING in winter fest)



  • forumnamesuxsforumnamesuxs Posts: 489Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    AFAIK, all automated tasks (dungeon/professions etc) are to be considered botting. If you don't have to be at you computer, using your mouse and/or keyboard, to do something, it is considered to be botting.

    @mynaam
    While ACT might technically be a 3rd party program, it doesn't interact with the game directly. All it does is read and organize the information in a log file for you.
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  • asterotgasterotg Posts: 1,742Member Arc User
    mynaam said:

    I have 13 toons all but 2 is level 70(be there soon), they do leadership. I made them however to do the missions from the SH to get our small guild the resources. That can't be botting as i do run the dungeons/skirmish/sh battles myself, I get the daily task on all toons everyday, but only do 2 toons task a day, That way i can do 5 days worth of task on 1 day and help the guild out. all but 3 of my toons are equiped with DF or better and i am working on all to have at least 10k IL.

    This helps releave presure on guildies(something mod 11b failed to do even after the promise it will) that have not done their boons in places like IWD. They do not need to donate those resources. I just work to makeup the slack myself.

    So i do not beleive it is botting just because you play a large amount of toons.

    As I said 20+. I asked friends 20 seems to be the magic number for botting
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  • silence1xsilence1x Posts: 1,503Member Arc User

    I am pretty sure at 1 point the company officially took the stance of ACT being ok, but I am not going to dig through old history to try and find it.

    I remember that as well Sharp. I don't think the forum search goes back far enough to find it (I could be mistaken) but the question was answered quite a while ago that ACT is allowed.

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  • bluebubbl3sbluebubbl3s Posts: 111Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    asterotg said:

    I would guess, that having 20+ leadership mains/ alts is botting, no matter what.

    why? why is that botting when a player is allowed to buy character slots with zen, and allowed to rank up professions? as long as they are not using a script or a bot to collect and set professions, how is that botting?
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  • ejziponkenejziponken Posts: 887Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    Its a fair question. Is it botting if you manually do the exact same thing as a software would do for you? Like farming rank 5s etc?

    Or unusual amount of ingame time? Because sometimes I can have the game open, but tabbed and just tabb in from time to time to chat, check AH and other stuff while i do other stuff on my PC.

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  • silverkeltsilverkelt Posts: 4,232Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User


    I thought a explanation was any 3rd party program that automated regular player features.

    So invoking, profession, scripting, could all be considered, against the TOS.

    Some third party programs.. such as ACT or OVERWOLF were allowed, because these did not violate , any automated regular player features for advantages.

    Frankly there is alot of activity in game that is marginally against the TOS. multi VIP accounts.. I know of at least 5-6 people who do this.. there argument is they actually paid the company to start the process.. so to them its justified.. who knows.. is it? isnt it? dont know.

    There is so MUCH grey area in the game atm.. and so much confusion.. people are literally afraid to run things, invoke, do fishing, professions, or stay on too much.

    I do wish we would get a condensed summary .. reading the TOS is painful.. ive done it once.. but frankly that piece of garbage boils down to.. we dont like it, we can do whatever we want...

    Well that doesnt help our current situation and frankly banning people , without a good explanation, isnt the way to go.

    Sure i think if people used botting programs thats understood.. but WHAT else was caught in that filter.. because some of the people who are not playing ATM.. are just clearly not "botters" some of them were not even all that account rich. SOME of them were logging on once or twice a week.. what the..

    Its just odd.. plain odd.

  • eoleeeolee Posts: 264Member Arc User
    edited May 2017

    What is a botter?



    A botter is someone using extra software to automatically perform functions in game.



    What is not a botter?



    If someone is using the game as is without added software to automate their character they are not botting.





    Is this correct?

    But Bot as we all know usually is when Character farm x materials, just invoking and gathered materials send to main account/character..


    so according to your definition of a bot, every player in game that has lets say 8-10 toons that Cryptic allows to buy in zen store, and do professions on them/pray on them to gather RPs and coal wards/pres wards to help the progress of their main toon is a bot?

    gratz?

  • eoleeeolee Posts: 264Member Arc User
    edited May 2017



    I didnt say i was ok with that, many accounts botting overnight overday or whatever, what im certainly not ok with is your definition of a bot i mentioned. You are calling bot a player doing legit things allowed by PWE manually: a main toon and some slaves doing professions to improve their main.
    Professions are game content, did you know that? Some people mainly craft, thats their way of playing this game, they craft kits, they craft shirts and pants, they do masterwork without doing any kind of dungeons on those toons. They craft some leadership coffers/bags to provide more RPs for their main character, and sell the leftover. How is that botting? Invoking is part of the game, it gives a little bonus AD to salvage on more than one toon the loots from dungeons. Prevents one toon to sit on millions of rough ADs that would take months to clear up. Invoking allows to get some pres wards and coal wards if lucky. Having more than one toon is also a good source of guild marks, giving every unbound stuff you can feed to coffer to other toons if you're waiting on special events to do so.

    Everything i mention here is legit, nothing is against the ToS. Nothing is botting as long as its manual.

  • eoleeeolee Posts: 264Member Arc User
    edited May 2017
    Whereas i totally understand that exploits/bans discussing are clearly described in the ToS that i did read over 4 weeks, yea took me so long, im just personally trying to demonstrate that some statements in this thread are at the edge of insulting legit players doing legit things allowed by ToS and purchases in Zen store.

    If somebody from PWE/Cryptic would give the simple definition of a botter "using third party programms that allow ingame developpment in detriment of other players and enhancing their progress faster", then one of this statement in this thread should be deleted or at least corrected in order to stop offending innocent players still in game, and those that disappeared. Of course everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but when someone is falsely tagging of bot a player that plays legit and uses legit ways offered by PWE company in game, then its bad. Specially by using the term "we all know"
    As if the situation lately wasnt bad enough.Just my opinion.
    I would like to explain that some statement made in this thread is just causing more mistrust from players. People might be wondering if its ok for them to log their toons everyday to do their crafting and invoking now.
    I do not think this game needs to lose more players, when we have some good things coming from the new devs team, a little more interaction about bugs and feedbacks,lately again by the device removed bug that is followed every day, and it was starting, at least for me,to give me more hope about the future of the game.




  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Posts: 894Member Arc User
    Botting = automated play = using software that issues commands to the game

    That does not exclude other violations to the game. You can get banned for violating other rules too, all rule breaking is not botting.

    Software like ACT only analyzes game logs, so is fine.

    Having 20+ characters is by itself not a break of the rules. However, having 20+ characters being actively played probably will put you on the list of botting suspects, since handling so many characters is more than most players are willing to do manually.

    Similarily I will assume that more than x hours online a day will put you on the list of botting suspects ;)

    I do assume a botting suspect is subject to further analysis by Cryptic before they ban though. They need to avoid false positives.
  • greywyndgreywynd Posts: 4,236Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User


    Similarily I will assume that more than x hours online a day will put you on the list of botting suspects ;)

    If this were the case, I'd have been banned long ago instead of being invited to playtest Mod 9. I don't have a life, so I game :p
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  • ejziponkenejziponken Posts: 887Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    edited May 2017
    linaduin said:

    using a third party program to automate repeated tasks = botting.
    allowing a companion or auto-attacking toon to fight while you sleep = unattended gameplay.
    manually repeating tedious tasks for hours for some small gain = playing Neverwinter.

    Haha. That 2nd one is interesting tho, is that against the rules? Lets say I stand in zone with my pet and someone calls me or I have to go away for a few min. Would I be breaking the rules then? Since my pet might kill stuff and I gain loot..?

    And the 3rd point makes me feel like a bot. But after 11mods that has to be intended gameplay.

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  • litaaerslitaaers Posts: 870Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User

    linaduin said:

    using a third party program to automate repeated tasks = botting.
    allowing a companion or auto-attacking toon to fight while you sleep = unattended gameplay.
    manually repeating tedious tasks for hours for some small gain = playing Neverwinter.

    Haha. That 2nd one is interesting tho, is that against the rules? Lets say I stand in zone with my pet and someone calls me or I have to go away for a few min. Would I be breaking the rules then? Since my pet might kill stuff and I gain loot..?

    I'm sure there is a time variable involved. For instance, no call lasts for three days for 12 hours/day.

  • dupeksdupeks Posts: 1,789Member Arc User
    Ya'll appear to also be forgetting that this game kicks you for being idle, relatively aggressively. 15min after you went for your phone call you'd get booted to the login screen... unless of course you have some sort of automated assistant that is performing in-game activities for you that make your character appear active... oh wait...
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Posts: 14,231Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    dupeks said:

    Ya'll appear to also be forgetting that this game kicks you for being idle, relatively aggressively. 15min after you went for your phone call you'd get booted to the login screen... unless of course you have some sort of automated assistant that is performing in-game activities for you that make your character appear active... oh wait...

    And if you ask a family member to go hit your spacebar so you don't time out... that's letting someone else access your account. :D

    (Yeah... we might do that one in my household fairly frequently. Usually when someone was partway through an instance and got called away. No spawns available for more loot, just don't want to start over.)
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