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  • dupeksdupeks Posts: 1,789Member Arc User

    (Yeah... we might do that one in my household fairly frequently. Usually when someone was partway through an instance and got called away. No spawns available for more loot, just don't want to start over.)

    Thank god that was a "might" otherwise this would be proof positive of nefarious behavior.

    Cryptic gotta make sure you don't gain an unfair advantage over single / forever alone players.
  • demonmongerdemonmonger Posts: 3,350Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    Hey I often watch YouTube whiLe I play my character, and click back over to make him run or jump so I don't log out once every 10 minutes or so.
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  • dupeksdupeks Posts: 1,789Member Arc User

    Hey I often watch YouTube whiLe I play my character, and click back over to make him run or jump so I don't log out once every 10 minutes or so.

    Perfectly legitimate, human.

    As long as it's your human hand doing the clicking / keyboarding, human, you are granted the rare privilege of continued access to this amazing game.

    But care not to let a different human or worse yet, a non-human, help you with the clicking. That would warrant swift, decisive, and punitive action.
  • linaduinlinaduin Posts: 187Member Arc User
    edited May 2017
    litaaers said:

    linaduin said:

    using a third party program to automate repeated tasks = botting.
    allowing a companion or auto-attacking toon to fight while you sleep = unattended gameplay.
    manually repeating tedious tasks for hours for some small gain = playing Neverwinter.

    Haha. That 2nd one is interesting tho, is that against the rules? Lets say I stand in zone with my pet and someone calls me or I have to go away for a few min. Would I be breaking the rules then? Since my pet might kill stuff and I gain loot..?

    I'm sure there is a time variable involved. For instance, no call lasts for three days for 12 hours/day.

    In LOTRO unattended gameplay was against the EULA/ToS. The rule was that if a GM tries to contact you and you don't respond then it's unattended gameplay. Of course, other players can report you. Why would you bother in NWO? For XP? You can level 1-70 in a week. Nodes are nerfed and Dragon chants etc. are timed. They're onto it.
  • spideymtspideymt Posts: 710Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User

    We really need a current offical statment by Cryptic as to how they define botting.

    No, we do not. Its well known what a botter is and does. I dont need a description from Cryptic. I got a description from cryp how i should play the game and i have the ToS. What else do i need?

  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Posts: 14,231Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    The only area where there is a question of what's not allowed is players who do everything manually but were flagged as bots anyway. That needs better detection criteria. They can't share their detection criteria because that's providing the recipe for an undetectable bot.

    I don't see why Cryptic needs to define botting beyond any kind of automated scripting of in-game activities whether they are simple or more complicated.
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  • btairbornebtairborne Posts: 352Member Arc User
    Give me a break, they won't ban you for doing these manually. There is no way that even looks like botting. Manual is no way as efficient when you are comparing logs.
  • oldbaldyoneoldbaldyone Posts: 1,788Member Arc User

    Give me a break, they won't ban you for doing these manually. There is no way that even looks like botting. Manual is no way as efficient when you are comparing logs.

    Most bots are going to be programmed to be slightly inefficient, so as to look like a human. Sure, if you are trying to find the bots running 24/7 on a farm of computers, that really shouldn't be that hard. But from the logs, its probably almost impossible to determine if something is a script/bot, or done manually.

    Many people believe that if you have tons of toons, refresh the profs on them all regularly, and invoke them all...you'll get flagged. While its impossible to know for sure, I believe many people have been banned for botting when they were just really good at resetting their toons every day.

    +1 for the people that want the actual problem - repetitive gameplay - addressed.
    +1 for cryptic admitting...via corporate spinning...that they messed up.
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  • samerikersameriker Posts: 122Member Arc User
    mynaam said:

    I am actually interested if Using ACT is Seen as botting. This does not affect the game at all it just graphically display the result of the data collected by the game itself using /combatlog 1. If it is can some please let me know as I do find this a useful tool

    You can use any parser they just read and interpret your combat logs, nothing more. There is additional information in the official wiki under combat about the two parsers available to use. http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Combat#Combat_Log

    Also parsers can work offline on the combat file as well (if you are paranoid about using it during combat).
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  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Posts: 894Member Arc User
    edited May 2017
    Making a machine emulate human behaviour has been the subject of discussions in the computer science business for a long time. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

    As an extension of that: Only the bad bots get caught? :)
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  • kzone#2148 kzone Posts: 19Member Arc User
    The fact that this question needs to be asked, speaks volumes for just how disastrous the most recent ban wave is.

    Clearly, they banned people without proof that folks were botting. They simply interpreted some statistics to imply someone was botting.

    As others have stated, address the repetitive bot like gameplay and this should never be a problem. Likewise, don't ever ban an innocent player.
  • dameon2kdameon2k Posts: 74Member Arc User
    I am sure the developers have methods of gaining information that is not privy to any of us. All we can do is speculate. I am sure they are not about to share that information with us.

    I will say this much, if you gain anything from Neverwinter while not sitting at the computer, then you are botting to some degree. There is no arguing or debating that. Trying to play on TOS words to benefit you will not win you any battles. You know if you are manually doing the work or taking shortcuts. If you are doing everything manually, you know your ban was wrong, and if that is not the case you know your ban was justified. It really is that simple. No one should have to ask what botting is unless they are a new player to mmos.

    What I think Cryptic/PW should be clear about, is if their algorithm used actually banned people doing everything manually. This is information people should have. You don't even have to go into detail, just say that happened, because the assumption becomes that these people were not doing everything manually if they were banned, especially if put on probation. Clarification helps...
  • jade1280jade1280 Posts: 160Member Arc User
    They are the ones who send me messages when ever i access the bank at protectors enclave without fail every first visit there each day i get a message instantly from a gold seller and when i report it the system does not know the person.
  • aliguanaaliguana Posts: 5Member Arc User
    sameriker said:

    You can use any parser they just read and interpret your combat logs, nothing more. There is additional information in the official wiki under combat about the two parsers available to use. http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Combat#Combat_Log

    Also parsers can work offline on the combat file as well (if you are paranoid about using it during combat).

    not just that, but use of combat log parsers are practically compulsory in Star Trek online, to the point where you wonder why they're not built into the game client. Cryptic don't have a problem with those. (NW doesn't need parsers as much, due to the way your stats are displayed)

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