I still cant spend the points I have, it errors out on me. Not sure if the reward system is "turned off" till a resolution presents itself or if I'm just bugged. Time to throw a ticket in.
I too, saw the "If you charge in any tier, you’ll receive all items in the tiers below, so charging $20, will grant you both the Zhentarim Warlock and the Neverwintan Noble Title." And there still isn't a response, and yes I saw that they edited it out, but that is considered A SCAM AND IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!! Far too many people saw the original post, the company at this point should have just sucked up their mistake and followed through with what they originally put.
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andorrabellMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 437Arc User
I'm going trust on this one they make it right. thanks again Julia for continued updates even if they are "still working on it"
Well, let's hope, that they will at least extend the time limit on those reward points soon. Since it looks like a complete solution for this issue is going to take a while... again.
OK, @nitocris83 , I know it was a weekend, so grab a pot of coffee and let's get the team solving this latest screwup before the next promo hits. I'm down to 7 days before these promo points expire, and I don't know what to do, nor do I understand why it takes so long for a rollback to working the way it used to.
This new promo point thing needs a lot more work before implementation. Whoever thought it up needs to go back to the drawing board.
This is SUPER hard guys, and takes a PHD in computer science to figure out....let me take a shot at it:
- Query all users who purchased Zen in Neverwinter for the time frame in question - Add the items you promised them to the reclaim agent. - Everyone wins?
Man, that was hard. It's hard to believe that real brick and mortar places, who have actual products involved, can get this right most of the time, but a virtual store that can literally make things out of thin air (yes, I know they have to be designed, but whatever), needs weeks to try and figure out how to rectify the situation.
Please test this stuff going forward and proof read. At this time, people have absolutely NO trust that what is posted is what is actually going to happen.
This is SUPER hard guys, and takes a PHD in computer science to figure out....let me take a shot at it:
- Query all users who purchased Zen in Neverwinter for the time frame in question - Add the items you promised them to the reclaim agent.
Here's the problem I have with this: They never made an announcement that they changed the rewards offer. So, many of us made our purchase based on the initial announcement. There was never any announcement to go back to see the shadow update that they changed the rewards system.
If they made a followup official news post updating us of the change in rewards, I would agree with your solution. Unfortunately, nothing responsible like this happened.
This is SUPER hard guys, and takes a PHD in computer science to figure out....let me take a shot at it:
- Query all users who purchased Zen in Neverwinter for the time frame in question - Add the items you promised them to the reclaim agent. - Everyone wins?
If you really believe it is that easy, I wish I could live with that kind of worldview. Life would be easier (not an insult, but there are only so many ways to disagree).
Please test this stuff going forward and proof read. At this time, people have absolutely NO trust that what is posted is what is actually going to happen.
Now THIS I can support, although there may be budgets and things making it not feasible. We can't say, so we should refrain from pinning this on anyone without more data.
I think the focus should be on the elephant here in the room: This happened before, and it might happen again with the Winter Festival promo shortly.
And they should also make sure that this time, the rewards will be issued to the folks, that actually earned them. I joked before about the Ice Panther, but just think about that for a moment, what will happen, when that mount will be in the Rewards Claim Agent in PE for everyone free to get with a "bug fix"?
This is SUPER hard guys, and takes a PHD in computer science to figure out....let me take a shot at it:
- Query all users who purchased Zen in Neverwinter for the time frame in question - Add the items you promised them to the reclaim agent. - Everyone wins?
If you really believe it is that easy, I wish I could live with that kind of worldview. Life would be easier (not an insult, but there are only so many ways to disagree).
Not sure if you've participated in any of these promos before, but this is EXACTLY how the previous charge rewards bonuses have worked. The part they seem to have messed up royally was implementing a new way to issue the rewards.
So, yeah, I believe it IS that easy. Roll it back, forget the point system until you actually test it and relay the information correctly to the customer, and don't drag this out for months.
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coolgeek357Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 91Arc User
I too, saw the "If you charge in any tier, you’ll receive all items in the tiers below, so charging $20, will grant you both the Zhentarim Warlock and the Neverwintan Noble Title." And there still isn't a response, and yes I saw that they edited it out, but that is considered A SCAM AND IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!! Far too many people saw the original post, the company at this point should have just sucked up their mistake and followed through with what they originally put.
That would be the good customer service thing to do.
This is SUPER hard guys, and takes a PHD in computer science to figure out....let me take a shot at it:
- Query all users who purchased Zen in Neverwinter for the time frame in question - Add the items you promised them to the reclaim agent. - Everyone wins?
If you really believe it is that easy, I wish I could live with that kind of worldview. Life would be easier (not an insult, but there are only so many ways to disagree).
Not sure if you've participated in any of these promos before, but this is EXACTLY how the previous charge rewards bonuses have worked. The part they seem to have messed up royally was implementing a new way to issue the rewards.
So, yeah, I believe it IS that easy. Roll it back, forget the point system until you actually test it and relay the information correctly to the customer, and don't drag this out for months.
I have participated, and I don't remember there being a point system, although I do remember a tier system. My guess is that they advertised one, and coded for another. That was the disconnect. Perhaps they should honor it, but 'rolling it back' isn't that easy, since this was never coded before. Also, remember that Zen goes through ARC(PWE) and the content goes through Cryptic. They may not be able to call up a person and say 'shoot me an email with the list of Zen purchasers during the event'.
Hey, has anyone actually *checked* their point balances recently? I just did, and I had over 66k. I *know* I didn't spend $600+ during the promotion. Maybe this is the fix? Add points so you can buy all the items if you were supposed to get them? Any other issues excluded, of course.
The team is working with customer support to best address the miscommunication. When I have more specifics, I'll let you know but I wanted to again reassure everyone that this is a priority.
Everyone that participated should check their account / email. I received the following email a few minutes ago:
Greetings adventurer,
During our Black Friday promotion for Charge Rewards in Neverwinter, our blog incorrectly stated information pertaining to the rewards players were eligible to receive.
Although we changed the blog to correctly display the promotion, we are committed to honoring the original messaging that you may have read. We have applied Charge Reward Points to your account, equivalent to the Point Value of all tiers below the Charge tier you reached.
These reward points have been credited to your account and are now available for viewing and redemption. The window of time you have to redeem these points is limited, so please redeem your points prior to December 12th, 2016 @ 7:30am PT.
We apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience and understanding while we resolve this issue.
— The Arc Games Team
I just wanted to say thank you to Nitocris and the Arc team for the resolution!
Hey, has anyone actually *checked* their point balances recently? I just did, and I had over 66k. I *know* I didn't spend $600+ during the promotion. Maybe this is the fix? Add points so you can buy all the items if you were supposed to get them? Any other issues excluded, of course.
Just got an email response from CS regarding the ticket I put in about this issue. They closed my ticket as "resolved". They said the blog incorrectly stated info about the rewards you were supposed to see, but that they are committed to "honoring the original messaging that you may have read" (sigh - that I "may" have read) Said that they applied charge reward points to my account equal to the point value of all the tiers below the tier that I purchased.
So, their solution is indeed to increase the charge rewards. I didn't get any increase to 66k, though - not sure how that happened for you @litaaers, but I suggest you redeem them all.
I don't show any change at my end: Bought $100 of Zen, Current Balance: 11,000
Just out of curiosity, did you not charge through Arc during the 15% bonus promo? Because I charged $100, which gave a total of 135,000 zen with the usual bonus plus the 15% bonus, and I had 135,000 points. Now that they added the extra points, they increased it to 21,500, which is still just weird math on their part.
Thank you @nitocris83 - I am happy that this didn't drag out for months, you seem to have lit a fire under someone (that usually wears heat resistant clothing! lol)
I do hope that you and your team can hammer out the issues with this before running the next promo. Although the current fix is going to help us all now, I still think there are issues with the amount of points and what amount the player is supposed to get. (for instance, are the promo points supposed to be equal to the base amount of zen purchased, or the total amount of zen purchased counting bonuses, or a certain arbitrary amount equal to tier rewards? Were the tier rewards "priced" properly?)
I received 4 e-mails from arc with the same message already, saying the issue was resolved. Still, I didn't get enough to buy the things I was supposed to be able to get. I don't understand why they don't stop sending e-mails though. I'm sure the 4th was not the last.
Hey, has anyone actually *checked* their point balances recently? I just did, and I had over 66k. I *know* I didn't spend $600+ during the promotion. Maybe this is the fix? Add points so you can buy all the items if you were supposed to get them? Any other issues excluded, of course.
Just got an email response from CS regarding the ticket I put in about this issue. They closed my ticket as "resolved". They said the blog incorrectly stated info about the rewards you were supposed to see, but that they are committed to "honoring the original messaging that you may have read" (sigh - that I "may" have read) Said that they applied charge reward points to my account equal to the point value of all the tiers below the tier that I purchased.
So, their solution is indeed to increase the charge rewards. I didn't get any increase to 66k, though - not sure how that happened for you @litaaers, but I suggest you redeem them all.
I don't show any change at my end: Bought $100 of Zen, Current Balance: 11,000
Just out of curiosity, did you not charge through Arc during the 15% bonus promo? Because I charged $100, which gave a total of 135,000 zen with the usual bonus plus the 15% bonus, and I had 135,000 points. Now that they added the extra points, they increased it to 21,500, which is still just weird math on their part.
I had the same thing happen. charged $100 got 13.5k points. What it seems like they did is they "topped" off the base points that everyone received to match the total needed for all tiers, which in our case was 18k. The extra 3500 points we got from the bonus zen didn't seem to factor into their calculations.
The amount of additional charge reward points added to my account was enough to unlock the remaining rewards I'd earned. So it's worked out for me, and (assuming the stuff is there when I log in) I have received exactly what I was supposed to.
So, their solution is indeed to increase the charge rewards. I didn't get any increase to 66k, though - not sure how that happened for you @litaaers, but I suggest you redeem them all.
I did charge at least $400 during the promo, but not $600. If you check your Redemption History, you will see what you had, and what was added. I had 48950 prior to adjustment, and they added 18000 today, which is the cost of everything under the highest tier I reached.
With the extra points, I bought some extras of the BoE items, for sale and alts.
So, their solution is indeed to increase the charge rewards. I didn't get any increase to 66k, though - not sure how that happened for you @litaaers, but I suggest you redeem them all.
I did charge at least $400 during the promo, but not $600. If you check your Redemption History, you will see what you had, and what was added. I had 48950 prior to adjustment, and they added 18000 today, which is the cost of everything under the highest tier I reached.
With the extra points, I bought some extras of the BoE items, for sale and alts.
Which ones are BoE? (edit - I know the white owlbear is BoE, just wasn't sure if anything else is)
^ same. I got nothing. Still not fixed. I spent $100 during the promo yet only ended up with 13,500 points. I did claim the owlbear (I assumed it would just eat my points and claim all below it) but I'm still at 3,500 points which is not enough to get the title (1000) Zhentarim Warlock (2000) and the Gilded White Steed (5000) which I should be able to claim based on what I spent.
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Since it looks like a complete solution for this issue is going to take a while... again.
This new promo point thing needs a lot more work before implementation. Whoever thought it up needs to go back to the drawing board.
- Query all users who purchased Zen in Neverwinter for the time frame in question
- Add the items you promised them to the reclaim agent.
- Everyone wins?
Man, that was hard. It's hard to believe that real brick and mortar places, who have actual products involved, can get this right most of the time, but a virtual store that can literally make things out of thin air (yes, I know they have to be designed, but whatever), needs weeks to try and figure out how to rectify the situation.
Please test this stuff going forward and proof read. At this time, people have absolutely NO trust that what is posted is what is actually going to happen.
If they made a followup official news post updating us of the change in rewards, I would agree with your solution. Unfortunately, nothing responsible like this happened.
Now THIS I can support, although there may be budgets and things making it not feasible. We can't say, so we should refrain from pinning this on anyone without more data.
*Wanted to post this to a seperate post, so when it gets deleted, the rest of the comments don't get dragged down with it.*
This happened before, and it might happen again with the Winter Festival promo shortly.
And they should also make sure that this time, the rewards will be issued to the folks, that actually earned them.
I joked before about the Ice Panther, but just think about that for a moment, what will happen, when that mount will be in the Rewards Claim Agent in PE for everyone free to get with a "bug fix"?
So, yeah, I believe it IS that easy. Roll it back, forget the point system until you actually test it and relay the information correctly to the customer, and don't drag this out for months.
So, their solution is indeed to increase the charge rewards. I didn't get any increase to 66k, though - not sure how that happened for you @litaaers, but I suggest you redeem them all.
I do hope that you and your team can hammer out the issues with this before running the next promo. Although the current fix is going to help us all now, I still think there are issues with the amount of points and what amount the player is supposed to get. (for instance, are the promo points supposed to be equal to the base amount of zen purchased, or the total amount of zen purchased counting bonuses, or a certain arbitrary amount equal to tier rewards? Were the tier rewards "priced" properly?)
With the extra points, I bought some extras of the BoE items, for sale and alts.
@nitocris83 can you clarify the situation?