Well, they have a business to run and maintaining&developing this game isn't free. I assume recent changes mod6-> has affected negatively on cash flow (reading general comments about this game) so they have to come up some new ways to make some money.
They had a way to make money. It's called VIP! We were ALREADY paying for coal wards! Through VIP! This is a stupid business decision because hordes of people will never pay for VIP ever again, thus removing that cash flow. How does that make sense in any way, shape or form? It doesn't.
They shot themselves in the foot here. Removing coal wards from the Tarm Store (where they've been since BETA!!!!) is actually more damaging to the game than removing AD from Leadership. You can adjust to new ways of getting AD, but now there's only one way to get Coal Wards. And that's paying TEN DOLLARS FOR EACH ONE in the Zen Store.
Well, they have a business to run and maintaining&developing this game isn't free. I assume recent changes mod6-> has affected negatively on cash flow (reading general comments about this game) so they have to come up some new ways to make some money.
They had a way to make money. It's called VIP! We were ALREADY paying for coal wards! Through VIP! This is a stupid business decision because hordes of people will never pay for VIP ever again, thus removing that cash flow. How does that make sense in any way, shape or form? It doesn't.
They shot themselves in the foot here. Removing coal wards from the Tarm Store (where they've been since BETA!!!!) is actually more damaging to the game than removing AD from Leadership. You can adjust to new ways of getting AD, but now there's only one way to get Coal Wards. And that's paying TEN DOLLARS FOR EACH ONE in the Zen Store.
Do you have any idea how many Coal Wards you need just to get ONE Rank 12 Enchant? 32 of them! That's $320 for one Rank 12 and a total of $640 just to get your basic Rank 12 armor and weapon enchants. It's ridiculous to think that any human being at Cryptic thinks that would be acceptable to anybody.
What? Where did you get this from? You need 17 even if you're making it from scratch. 8 for the lessers then 4 to make the normal enchants, then two to make the greaters and three to make perfect, pure and trans. And then most people just run with lesser soulforged. So 18 in total and really you should be buying lessers off the AH because they're cheaper than coal wards. Not to say it isn't ridiculous but no one really needs 32 coal wards.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
Well, they have a business to run and maintaining&developing this game isn't free. I assume recent changes mod6-> has affected negatively on cash flow (reading general comments about this game) so they have to come up some new ways to make some money.
They had a way to make money. It's called VIP! We were ALREADY paying for coal wards! Through VIP! This is a stupid business decision because hordes of people will never pay for VIP ever again, thus removing that cash flow. How does that make sense in any way, shape or form? It doesn't.
They shot themselves in the foot here. Removing coal wards from the Tarm Store (where they've been since BETA!!!!) is actually more damaging to the game than removing AD from Leadership. You can adjust to new ways of getting AD, but now there's only one way to get Coal Wards. And that's paying TEN DOLLARS FOR EACH ONE in the Zen Store.
Do you have any idea how many Coal Wards you need just to get ONE Rank 12 Enchant? 32 of them! That's $320 for one Rank 12 and a total of $640 just to get your basic Rank 12 armor and weapon enchants. It's ridiculous to think that any human being at Cryptic thinks that would be acceptable to anybody.
What? Where did you get this from? You need 17 even if you're making it from scratch. 8 for the lessers then 4 to make the normal enchants, then two to make the greaters and three to make perfect, pure and trans. And then most people just run with lesser soulforged. So 18 in total and really you should be buying lessers off the AH because they're cheaper than coal wards. Not to say it isn't ridiculous but no one really needs 32 coal wards.
Yup. If you want to talk about expenses, use the real ones and not overinflated ones, because it detracts from your credibility.
If you're looking for action, we don't currently have an update as we wait for things to settle more.
@strumslinger What do you mean by settle? Are you referring to seeing data on how many people will no longer pay for or renew their VIP? Because I won't be renewing mine. I was days away from upping my Rank 3 to Rank 12 when you pulled this nonsense.
I also hope you understand that people were already paying for Coal Wards, through VIP and tarm bars. That was the main attractive feature for many people. It provided a reasonable timeframe and path forward for character improvement. And now you're cut the legs out of VIP, which is only going to seriously affect the amount of recurring cash flow the VIP was generating for the game.
Pardon my language, but there's no way in Hell that I'm paying $10 for a Coal Ward, let alone a monthly VIP membership. Expecting players to pay $320 for a Rank 12 enchant is ludicrous. And the only thing we can do for 'end game' is improve our character slowly. Taking that away leaves us in a quagmire of pointless grind.
I also wish you guys would figure out that you're far better off having THOUSANDS of active happy casual players contributing through micro transactions on a weekly or monthly basis than counting on a few whales to spend a few thousand a year on Coal Wards.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
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He means how the economy is effected by the change.
People unsubscribing from VIP is not a driving factor. They made this choice knowing full well that it wouldn't be a popular change. They did it because they felt it would benefit the economy as a whole.
If people leaving VIP was a concern over the economy changes they felt would be beneficial then they wouldn't have even considered changing the system. Really you guys need to take the tin foil caps off because if they were that greedy they wouldn't have made the change to begin with.
I don't think the change will benefit anybody but it's really grasping at straws to apply any sinister reason to it because it is quite obvious this change would only hurt them.
Pardon my language, but there's no way in Hell that I'm paying $10 for a Coal Ward
Nor will I. I will continue to get them from Coffers, as I have been for quite a while now. Just got another one today and this time only from opening 3 coffers. I've only ever bought Coal Wards for Trade Bars a very few number of times. Never really needed to and still don't.
I went R12 VIP for the benefits it lists, not for a side benefit from a benefit. To me, all the things VIP does, especially opening a free locked box of my choice each day, is well worth it. I will continue to keep my VIP intact as well as pay for more ranks, should we get more. Ridiculing VIP because Coal Wards not available for trade bars anymore and acting as though one has to pay for them now is just silly. I don't pay for them, no one has to. You can get them for free still, just as you could before VIP even existed.
Pardon my language, but there's no way in Hell that I'm paying $10 for a Coal Ward
Nor will I. I will continue to get them from Coffers, as I have been for quite a while now. Just got another one today and this time only from opening 3 coffers. I've only ever bought Coal Wards for Trade Bars a very few number of times. Never really needed to and still don't.
I went R12 VIP for the benefits it lists, not for a side benefit from a benefit. To me, all the things VIP does, especially opening a free locked box of my choice each day, is well worth it. I will continue to keep my VIP intact as well as pay for more ranks, should we get more. Ridiculing VIP because Coal Wards not available for trade bars anymore and acting as though one has to pay for them now is just silly. I don't pay for them, no one has to. You can get them for free still, just as you could before VIP even existed.
And I just got my first coal ward from invoking on 17 characters since mod 7 last week. Please stop trying to imply that getting wards from invoking is a viable alternative, it really isn't. Maybe you're lucky enough that it works like that for you but for the vast majority of people it's something that they benefit from every blue moon.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
what "let economy stabilize" are they mean. everything is pretty stabilized, almost dead if you ask me. economy maybe start moving with new module, if they add another insane items, but its totally under their control. if cryptic has constant problem with "we need to wait and see" "we work on new module now" , they should consider hire more devs
Man... just... ahem. Well, time to be nice and not restart that whole mess with Zeb and his coffers.
Just a little friendly advice though, buddy: maybe a bad idea to taunt the playerbase and post screeners of you getting a coal ward out of a coffer. Maybe better to keep that on the downlow.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
Man... just... ahem. Well, time to be nice and not restart that whole mess with Zeb and his coffers.
Just a little friendly advice though, buddy: maybe a bad idea to taunt the playerbase and post screeners of you getting a coal ward out of a coffer. Maybe better to keep that on the downlow.
dont worry invoking armies nerf is coming
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Man... just... ahem. Well, time to be nice and not restart that whole mess with Zeb and his coffers.
Just a little friendly advice though, buddy: maybe a bad idea to taunt the playerbase and post screeners of you getting a coal ward out of a coffer. Maybe better to keep that on the downlow.
dont worry invoking armies nerf is coming
Funny, since I've only been invoking once on only one character for the past several weeks, with maybe one day a week that I invoke on all my characters and then maybe once every couple weeks that I do a whole round. Assumptions are the... well you know.
Man... just... ahem. Well, time to be nice and not restart that whole mess with Zeb and his coffers.
Just a little friendly advice though, buddy: maybe a bad idea to taunt the playerbase and post screeners of you getting a coal ward out of a coffer. Maybe better to keep that on the downlow.
dont worry invoking armies nerf is coming
Funny, since I've only been invoking once on only one character for the past several weeks, with maybe one day a week that I invoke on all my characters and then maybe once every couple weeks that I do a whole round. Assumptions are the... well you know.
dont worry - nobody important read this thread = no nerf
They definitely need to remove AD and C Wards from invoking as players are getting rewarded just for logging in and making a few clicks...instead of actually playing the game to earn their rewards. People who invoke are simply exploiting the game.
*(Simply applying the same logic as those who claimed that gaining AD from LS was an exploit...what is good for the goose should be good for the gander as well)
Lol. Well, with character slots 80% off this weekend...it would be wonderful if one of the devs reading this thread could comment on whether invoking on 50 characters daily is considered an exploit...
Kinda seems like you're either encouraging us that way, or setting us up to pull the rug out again.
They definitely need to remove AD and C Wards from invoking as players are getting rewarded just for logging in and making a few clicks...instead of actually playing the game to earn their rewards. People who invoke are simply exploiting the game.
*(Simply applying the same logic as those who claimed that gaining AD from LS was an exploit...what is good for the goose should be good for the gander as well)
Yes, the Devs should really do that, it would be interesting to see how that change will be explained/defended then...
And no, coffers are no viable option to get C. wards, because their drop chance is still RANDOM!
Last but not least, i find it also really interesting how this discussion is going back and forth for several pages now, but we still have no official answers on what is going on with a. Xbox players getting another round of free gifts? or b. what else can we expect here?
Since so many Mods. are active here, how about someone starts going after some official answers on those questions please?
Pardon my language, but there's no way in Hell that I'm paying $10 for a Coal Ward
Nor will I. I will continue to get them from Coffers, as I have been for quite a while now. Just got another one today and this time only from opening 3 coffers. I've only ever bought Coal Wards for Trade Bars a very few number of times. Never really needed to and still don't.
I went R12 VIP for the benefits it lists, not for a side benefit from a benefit. To me, all the things VIP does, especially opening a free locked box of my choice each day, is well worth it. I will continue to keep my VIP intact as well as pay for more ranks, should we get more. Ridiculing VIP because Coal Wards not available for trade bars anymore and acting as though one has to pay for them now is just silly. I don't pay for them, no one has to. You can get them for free still, just as you could before VIP even existed.
And I just got my first coal ward from invoking on 17 characters since mod 7 last week. Please stop trying to imply that getting wards from invoking is a viable alternative, it really isn't. Maybe you're lucky enough that it works like that for you but for the vast majority of people it's something that they benefit from every blue moon.
^^^^ Absolutely this^^^^^ over on x Box four characters for a year of invoking 4 wards thats an average of one per year! Anyone fancy figuring out how long in years to rank all enchants to 12 lol
They definitely need to remove AD and C Wards from invoking as players are getting rewarded just for logging in and making a few clicks...instead of actually playing the game to earn their rewards. People who invoke are simply exploiting the game.
*(Simply applying the same logic as those who claimed that gaining AD from LS was an exploit...what is good for the goose should be good for the gander as well)
Yes, the Devs should really do that, it would be interesting to see how that change will be explained/defended then...
And no, coffers are no viable option to get C. wards, because their drop chance is still RANDOM!
Last but not least, i find it also really interesting how this discussion is going back and forth for several pages now, but we still have no official answers on what is going on with a. Xbox players getting another round of free gifts? or b. what else can we expect here?
Since so many Mods. are active here, how about someone starts going after some official answers on those questions please?
Not everyone on Xbox got a second Gift, I have heard some did, but no one in our guild was a beneficiary, so it was either a bug or selective giving.
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minotaur2857Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,141Arc User
Pardon my language, but there's no way in Hell that I'm paying $10 for a Coal Ward
Nor will I. I will continue to get them from Coffers, as I have been for quite a while now. Just got another one today and this time only from opening 3 coffers. I've only ever bought Coal Wards for Trade Bars a very few number of times. Never really needed to and still don't.
I went R12 VIP for the benefits it lists, not for a side benefit from a benefit. To me, all the things VIP does, especially opening a free locked box of my choice each day, is well worth it. I will continue to keep my VIP intact as well as pay for more ranks, should we get more. Ridiculing VIP because Coal Wards not available for trade bars anymore and acting as though one has to pay for them now is just silly. I don't pay for them, no one has to. You can get them for free still, just as you could before VIP even existed.
Well lucky you, all the mods and community guys seem to get levels of luck nobody else gets. I've been invoking fully every day on 14 characters for a long while. That will be about 2 boxes every 11 days per character so more than 900 boxes a year allowing for the very odd day I fail to do one or both invokes. I've had no more than 6 wards in the last year (definitely 2 in the last 4 months and none since the tradebar change). This is not anywhere close to enough so I was buying them with tradebars, and more to the point, I was going through industrial quantities of preservation wards (when an alleged 5% chance is costing you 120+ pres wards and 3 consecutive 10% chances take you 30+ each, it rapidly mounts up), and I miss these being cheaply and easily available way more than the coals.
Pardon my language, but there's no way in Hell that I'm paying $10 for a Coal Ward
Nor will I. I will continue to get them from Coffers, as I have been for quite a while now. Just got another one today and this time only from opening 3 coffers. I've only ever bought Coal Wards for Trade Bars a very few number of times. Never really needed to and still don't.
I went R12 VIP for the benefits it lists, not for a side benefit from a benefit. To me, all the things VIP does, especially opening a free locked box of my choice each day, is well worth it. I will continue to keep my VIP intact as well as pay for more ranks, should we get more. Ridiculing VIP because Coal Wards not available for trade bars anymore and acting as though one has to pay for them now is just silly. I don't pay for them, no one has to. You can get them for free still, just as you could before VIP even existed.
Well lucky you, all the mods and community guys seem to get levels of luck nobody else gets. I've been invoking fully every day on 14 characters for a long while. That will be about 2 boxes every 11 days per character so more than 900 boxes a year allowing for the very odd day I fail to do one or both invokes. I've had no more than 6 wards in the last year (definitely 2 in the last 4 months and none since the tradebar change). This is not anywhere close to enough so I was buying them with tradebars, and more to the point, I was going through industrial quantities of preservation wards (when an alleged 5% chance is costing you 120+ pres wards and 3 consecutive 10% chances take you 30+ each, it rapidly mounts up), and I miss these being cheaply and easily available way more than the coals.
+1 once a week..... nice and so surreal for everyone else
Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost" zhentarim-warlock-companion
It's not an "exploit", but if enough people seem to have invocation farms and it gets to be a convenient boogeyman for an economy nerf, don't be surprised if they take the AD out of invocation or lower it. Meanwhile, third party AD sellers have never had it better, spam rules the chat in PE, and the ZAX moves ever closer to 500.
But don't think about that... LOOK! A NEW MOUNT SYSTEM!!
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They shot themselves in the foot here. Removing coal wards from the Tarm Store (where they've been since BETA!!!!) is actually more damaging to the game than removing AD from Leadership. You can adjust to new ways of getting AD, but now there's only one way to get Coal Wards. And that's paying TEN DOLLARS FOR EACH ONE in the Zen Store.
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I also hope you understand that people were already paying for Coal Wards, through VIP and tarm bars. That was the main attractive feature for many people. It provided a reasonable timeframe and path forward for character improvement. And now you're cut the legs out of VIP, which is only going to seriously affect the amount of recurring cash flow the VIP was generating for the game.
Pardon my language, but there's no way in Hell that I'm paying $10 for a Coal Ward, let alone a monthly VIP membership. Expecting players to pay $320 for a Rank 12 enchant is ludicrous. And the only thing we can do for 'end game' is improve our character slowly. Taking that away leaves us in a quagmire of pointless grind.
I also wish you guys would figure out that you're far better off having THOUSANDS of active happy casual players contributing through micro transactions on a weekly or monthly basis than counting on a few whales to spend a few thousand a year on Coal Wards.
People unsubscribing from VIP is not a driving factor. They made this choice knowing full well that it wouldn't be a popular change. They did it because they felt it would benefit the economy as a whole.
If people leaving VIP was a concern over the economy changes they felt would be beneficial then they wouldn't have even considered changing the system. Really you guys need to take the tin foil caps off because if they were that greedy they wouldn't have made the change to begin with.
I don't think the change will benefit anybody but it's really grasping at straws to apply any sinister reason to it because it is quite obvious this change would only hurt them.
I went R12 VIP for the benefits it lists, not for a side benefit from a benefit. To me, all the things VIP does, especially opening a free locked box of my choice each day, is well worth it. I will continue to keep my VIP intact as well as pay for more ranks, should we get more. Ridiculing VIP because Coal Wards not available for trade bars anymore and acting as though one has to pay for them now is just silly. I don't pay for them, no one has to. You can get them for free still, just as you could before VIP even existed.
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Just a little friendly advice though, buddy: maybe a bad idea to taunt the playerbase and post screeners of you getting a coal ward out of a coffer. Maybe better to keep that on the downlow.
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*(Simply applying the same logic as those who claimed that gaining AD from LS was an exploit...what is good for the goose should be good for the gander as well)
Kinda seems like you're either encouraging us that way, or setting us up to pull the rug out again.
nerfing invoking would be = erasing engame
zhentarim-warlock-companion
Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
plague-fire-weapon-enchant-r11-vs-r12
And no, coffers are no viable option to get C. wards, because their drop chance is still RANDOM!
Last but not least, i find it also really interesting how this discussion is going back and forth for several pages now, but we still have no official answers on what is going on with
a. Xbox players getting another round of free gifts?
or
b. what else can we expect here?
Since so many Mods. are active here, how about someone starts going after some official answers on those questions please?
You still have an active guild?
once a week..... nice and so surreal for everyone else
zhentarim-warlock-companion
Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
plague-fire-weapon-enchant-r11-vs-r12
But don't think about that... LOOK! A NEW MOUNT SYSTEM!!