juleadreamMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 372Arc User
"negative effect on the economy". Translation: people weren't paying for them with real money. Except that they were, at 10 dollars a month. Extremely short-sighted. How many VIPs will be effectively cancelled over this? The only way you might (emphasis on might) get through this with a small fraction of player goodwill would be a DRASTIC reduction in the cost of these in the Zen store. $10 to upgrade ONE enchantment? After this, I can't see anyone paying that. Drop the price to $1. Seriously. They'll sell like crazy if you do. What would you rather have, 100 players spending $1 each, or 0 players spending $10? This move is a complete and utter fail.
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ionvnegativoMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 119Arc User
i dont insult you more because my main is spanish and i dont know more words in english
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baalhashmalMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 65Arc User
Could we get some more finer details as to how exactly this hurts the economy? For me, I felt as having the Coalescent Wards in the Trade bar store encouraged me to buy enchanted keys (or further extend my VIP service).
For now, I will speak with my wallet. Thanks for the update, Cryptic. However, I feel it is a very terrible decision.
Cleric:Marquis Elmdore - Current Main Wizard: Iamblichus Fighter: Anna the Titan Barbarian: Anann Valkyrja Ranger: Minerva Cory'phaia Warlock: Suri Coralyne Reid
silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
What this really hurts is..
A. new players (a ton) and B.. anyone who likes to play alts.
Sadly game will go on.. I do encourage everyone not to spend actual money on cwards.. That was my stand well before they put them in the actual tbar store.. I always thought it was a outrageous amount of money.
They never quite understood pricing.
I was finally ok with pricing.. blah on them.
How can they even think of doing this.. moves grinding for new players from 6-8 months or so back towards a year +.. what frauds.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
Let me think. every bot has a vip ofcourse they have since is not hard to buy it for them. Today they will buy zen with ad to get lockboxes.They will get some good rewards ( axe beak etc)+ tarmalune tradebars. They will convert tarmalune to coalescents-preservations. AND then they will sell for real money in gold sites or very expensive to get ad to sell to gold sites. 2nd category: players earned fortune of ad from astral resonators (perma rich) buy zen with their unlimited astral diamonds do the same control-break economy. 3rd category: normal players farmed and do the same. 4th category: players didnt sit to their pc because of job or anything in real life, missed patch notes: fair???????????????
What was the purpose ? Poeple to buy zen and then rich +bots buy the zen with ad?
A simple plan could be and would have the same result without harm anyone ( i mean money for you) MAKE COALESCENT,PRESERVATIONS, RUBIES BOUND ACOUNT INSTEAD REMOVE THEM.
Yay more money to spend on CSGO skins and ..... hmmm maybe a new mouse pad? Yah not paying a dime for the zen store. 10 dollars for a coal ward? are you freaking high? 30-40 dollars for a mount? man you guys hit the nail on the head with micro transactions, where do you live? If you reduced all Zen prices by 90% I bet you would actually make more money than you have made in the last year off the dying player base you have left.
I am fifteen days into my first six month VIP. I opted to be patient and acquire coal wards over time. You just nonchalantly changed the value of something two weeks after I purchased it...
You can hide all you want to by claiming that Wards on the Trade bar store "hurt the economy", but as someone who got their degree in Economics I know that you are not telling us the true reason. I don't know what the real reason for removal of the Wards is, but I feel sorry for you as some higher power destroys your game.
So I guess you will be taking the FREE TO PLAY tag off the advertising? Or I guess it still is free to PLAY... but to succeed you will now need 1000's or dollars. Sad....
I have sup[ported and stood up for a lot of your strange and seemly strange decisions in the past but this time I am afraid you are indefensible. I understand that the economy is affected by the Coal wards being in the Trade Bar Store but please be more honest here. It is not the IN GAME Economy that it effects, it is your REAL MONEY economy.
The ones you are hurting the most here are your true PAYING CUSTOMERS. The ones that buy keys and open lockboxes are now going to have to spend double the $$ to continue opening lockboxes AND getting the wards needed to upgrade their enchants. And the Trade Bars become a useless commodity in the lockboxes. Unless you consider a GREEN companion a plus over anything.
I have been saving up AD to buy Zen in the Zen Exchange for when my VIP runs out, But now I will not be even doing that it looks like. I guess you will next be removing the Zen Exchange because too many people are using it to get Zen and you are not getting enough REAL MONEY for Zen. I see this coming by your actions and then you will need to remove the Free To Play tag all together because there will be no more play, unless you pay.
I am not going to Chicken Little about the Sky Falling or I"I won't be playing anymore" or any other hollow , meaningless threat like that. If you are going to quit over this, The just go away. If you are still going to grind out as best you can, I will see you in the game, for now. Will come a time when my frustrations at not being able to progress anymore will get me to make a decision to leave, but for now... all I can say is I am sincerely disappointed but at least you gave the user on the PC side a 12 hour warning, which is more than you did for the XBox players.
So........coal wards have just gone up to 0ver 200K+ on the AH and Blood Rubies to 90k+ within hours of this notification. You must be seriously brain damaged if you thought this decision was going to bring the economy in line??!!! Beyond your band aid present, you have just completely screwed anyone who is reasonably new to the game....sigh, as i type this the cheapest coal ward on AH is 234k! roflmao...the incompetence and greed is soooo strong with this company it's bloody sad. Here comes another DDos weekend
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soulbearer1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 54Arc User
I know there were a lot of questions regarding the Tradebar Store line in our announcement for Underdark yesterday. We have some further clarification for you.
Coalescent Wards will not be leaving the stores and pricing will not increase. Prices are still being adjusted and we will have more information soon. Rest assured we’re listening to community feedback. In terms of other items, we’re evaluating pricing and looking to make it more worthwhile to engage with the store. Again more information will be released in the near future.
NW Team
Sweet, I know this is an old quote,and I'll get told off for using it, but I love how you guys evaluated things and made it sooo much more worthwhile to engage with the store, tell me what else have you added,(I don't think the removal of ANYTHING, except bugs, makes an asset more useful) or re-costed since the changes? Oh right bupkiss.
yep, dying player base, so they raise the cost, just like a movie from Dune, Baron Harkkonan said, "Squeeze, squeeze and squeeze all the spices" as said to his elder nephew Rabban. wow, is there anyone left to play mod 9 in spring?
either they are lying or T bar really exploiting by bots/sellers? players want the Truth. devs will never defeat the collective minds of players who got detective skills that made batman a novice slueth.
adding 8th circle of hell, "Fraud", meaning to mislead by lies and to trick others by scams, nearly the worst circle next to final circle, the traitors, from novel of Dante's Infernio.
"As always, your feedback is welcome and invaluable. We are committed to continuing to work with you to ensure the game we play and love continues to thrive."
Falser words have rarely been spoken. Have you contemplated a career in politics? You'd fit right in.
Get all your jabs in now, it is almost Friday which means no one is coming into the office as they take Thursday from like 1pm off until monday evening and then say they are pinched for time.
Players "stacking wards now to make profit or abuse the coming changes, easy fix on that make all wards from tradebar to BoC/BoA and only the ZenStore wards should be Sellable.
<::::::[]==0 GwF 0==[]::::::> ● Still waiting for the promised Improvement ●
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
edited February 2016
Having missed the 2xRP weekend for personal reasons I was about to spend another $100 to buy mounts, keys and AD... you can kiss that good bye. I will probably save it for a new game. BTW... in that past few months I have spent over $2000 in the purchasing of Zen. Now... there will be $0 spent. That is also the consensus from the other members of CA.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
You know, what bothers me about this is that we all know that this isn't about the in-game economy. The fact that you can think you can just throw that around and expect us to eat this hogwash well... Well no, that's beyond disrespectful at this point. Anyway, I think I can be thankful that I am a new comer to this game and have not dumped a small fortune on this, before I make my exit. I would say good luck, but you might actually need it.
@strumslinger so was this "parity" speech another lie? So distateful because you said and I quote, " Xbox and PC have some parity between each other" and now shaft PC players?
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
Players "stacking wards now to make profit or abuse the coming changes, easy fix on that make all wards from tradebar to BoC/BoA and only the ZenStore wards should be Sellable.
even if they do that the player will make an enchant and will sell it or make and the enchant boa?
Good evening, it may be "raining on wet" but I believe that these changes do not have anything positive, and no appeal to the game; no one in good conscience use their bars to buy more and more dyes, or fill wardrobes with endless amounts of clothes, the ONLY thing that motivated the players to have bars were the Wards. Buy artifacts, mounts and companions in the bar market has never been a motivation for the wide range of players, this is something only the most eccentric, and these eccentric players do not move the NWO market.
Mod9 is approaching, and with it MANY disappointments, players always asked about CN, PK, SP, DV, Karrundax and now you decide to return these dungeons that we loved each other totally misreported, distorted, something that hardly looks like what we knew each other and expect us to be excited?
The players are tired of his constant failures: New PvP (FAIL) New in PvE (FAIL) Problem solving (FAIL) Double chance to drop the Legendary Ring 0.001% to 0.002% (FAIL) Spending Ring +4 for two slots and reduce their chance to drop by at least 50% (FAIL) Spoil the game constantly (CHECK) Players abandoning the game constantly (CHECK)
It may be that sometimes the players are asking a lot, it may be that there are players who do not know what they are talking about, but right now, I think you should pay more attention to what the players say, because half a dozen players putting ZEN every month not keep a running server, but 1 million players putting ZEN once in a while that's what keeps a running server, and believe me, you are making strides in the direction of a half a dozen of players and their "constant improvements".
Every time you "improve" something in the game most players leave the game due to their "improvements", I think it's time for you to begin to listen to the players.
I believe that I can not compare a humble company like Cryptic with Blizzard, but this is something easy to do so is an example that you should follow: Blizzard has opened up a space in your forum to listen to the players, if you wanted to speak about something you would like to be done in the game, you would have to point out a problem and suggest an improvement with logical basis and that would benefit everyone otherwise your "idea" would be deleted from the forum. IS TO TIP.
I won't make big predictions on the end of the world because every change has enough of that sentiment to go around. This particular change however will cut my purchases of VIP in the future. Now that I have several characters to 70 and all that is left is grind, the slow down in travel from that will mean my own time here is going to go down.
One of the main benefits of VIP is the daily key. RNG makes that benefit slightly entertaining, but in no way an investment. The only things 'worth' buying in any reasonable timeframe are the for now cheaper coalescents to make things, and yes even sell a few. The only source for those tarmalunes is keys which is zen.
This now puts up a zen paywall to any real improvement of your characters, and the main way any normal character had any hope of making the AD needed to purchase high end goods.
The change to cheaper Coalescents was good in every sense from the effect on normal players point of view. Your mistake as you see it should be described more if you want that to be an accepted change by those who use the system.
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For now, I will speak with my wallet. Thanks for the update, Cryptic. However, I feel it is a very terrible decision.
Cleric: Marquis Elmdore - Current Main
Wizard: Iamblichus
Fighter: Anna the Titan
Barbarian: Anann Valkyrja
Ranger: Minerva Cory'phaia
Warlock: Suri Coralyne Reid
Guild: She Looked Level 18.
Alliance: Imperium
A. new players (a ton)
and
B.. anyone who likes to play alts.
Sadly game will go on.. I do encourage everyone not to spend actual money on cwards.. That was my stand well before they put them in the actual tbar store.. I always thought it was a outrageous amount of money.
They never quite understood pricing.
I was finally ok with pricing.. blah on them.
How can they even think of doing this.. moves grinding for new players from 6-8 months or so back towards a year +.. what frauds.
2nd category: players earned fortune of ad from astral resonators (perma rich) buy zen with their unlimited astral diamonds do the same control-break economy.
3rd category: normal players farmed and do the same.
4th category: players didnt sit to their pc because of job or anything in real life, missed patch notes: fair???????????????
What was the purpose ? Poeple to buy zen and then rich +bots buy the zen with ad?
A simple plan could be and would have the same result without harm anyone ( i mean money for you) MAKE COALESCENT,PRESERVATIONS, RUBIES BOUND ACOUNT INSTEAD REMOVE THEM.
That will be the last purchase I make from PWE.
I have sup[ported and stood up for a lot of your strange and seemly strange decisions in the past but this time I am afraid you are indefensible. I understand that the economy is affected by the Coal wards being in the Trade Bar Store but please be more honest here. It is not the IN GAME Economy that it effects, it is your REAL MONEY economy.
The ones you are hurting the most here are your true PAYING CUSTOMERS. The ones that buy keys and open lockboxes are now going to have to spend double the $$ to continue opening lockboxes AND getting the wards needed to upgrade their enchants. And the Trade Bars become a useless commodity in the lockboxes. Unless you consider a GREEN companion a plus over anything.
I have been saving up AD to buy Zen in the Zen Exchange for when my VIP runs out, But now I will not be even doing that it looks like. I guess you will next be removing the Zen Exchange because too many people are using it to get Zen and you are not getting enough REAL MONEY for Zen. I see this coming by your actions and then you will need to remove the Free To Play tag all together because there will be no more play, unless you pay.
I am not going to Chicken Little about the Sky Falling or I"I won't be playing anymore" or any other hollow , meaningless threat like that. If you are going to quit over this, The just go away. If you are still going to grind out as best you can, I will see you in the game, for now. Will come a time when my frustrations at not being able to progress anymore will get me to make a decision to leave, but for now... all I can say is I am sincerely disappointed but at least you gave the user on the PC side a 12 hour warning, which is more than you did for the XBox players.
Very nice quote and so relevant if true.
Thank you, Ed.
wow, is there anyone left to play mod 9 in spring?
either they are lying or T bar really exploiting by bots/sellers?
players want the Truth.
devs will never defeat the collective minds of players who got detective skills that made batman a novice slueth.
adding 8th circle of hell, "Fraud", meaning to mislead by lies and to trick others by scams, nearly the worst circle next to final circle, the traitors, from novel of Dante's Infernio.
Falser words have rarely been spoken. Have you contemplated a career in politics? You'd fit right in.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1205498/regarding-tarmalune-tradebar-rewor
easy fix on that make all wards from tradebar to BoC/BoA and only the ZenStore wards should be Sellable.
I would say good luck, but you might actually need it.
Buy artifacts, mounts and companions in the bar market has never been a motivation for the wide range of players, this is something only the most eccentric, and these eccentric players do not move the NWO market.
Mod9 is approaching, and with it MANY disappointments, players always asked about CN, PK, SP, DV, Karrundax and now you decide to return these dungeons that we loved each other totally misreported, distorted, something that hardly looks like what we knew each other and expect us to be excited?
The players are tired of his constant failures:
New PvP (FAIL)
New in PvE (FAIL)
Problem solving (FAIL)
Double chance to drop the Legendary Ring 0.001% to 0.002% (FAIL)
Spending Ring +4 for two slots and reduce their chance to drop by at least 50% (FAIL)
Spoil the game constantly (CHECK)
Players abandoning the game constantly (CHECK)
It may be that sometimes the players are asking a lot, it may be that there are players who do not know what they are talking about, but right now, I think you should pay more attention to what the players say, because half a dozen players putting ZEN every month not keep a running server, but 1 million players putting ZEN once in a while that's what keeps a running server, and believe me, you are making strides in the direction of a half a dozen of players and their "constant improvements".
Every time you "improve" something in the game most players leave the game due to their "improvements", I think it's time for you to begin to listen to the players.
I believe that I can not compare a humble company like Cryptic with Blizzard, but this is something easy to do so is an example that you should follow:
Blizzard has opened up a space in your forum to listen to the players, if you wanted to speak about something you would like to be done in the game, you would have to point out a problem and suggest an improvement with logical basis and that would benefit everyone otherwise your "idea" would be deleted from the forum. IS TO TIP.
One of the main benefits of VIP is the daily key. RNG makes that benefit slightly entertaining, but in no way an investment. The only things 'worth' buying in any reasonable timeframe are the for now cheaper coalescents to make things, and yes even sell a few. The only source for those tarmalunes is keys which is zen.
This now puts up a zen paywall to any real improvement of your characters, and the main way any normal character had any hope of making the AD needed to purchase high end goods.
The change to cheaper Coalescents was good in every sense from the effect on normal players point of view. Your mistake as you see it should be described more if you want that to be an accepted change by those who use the system.