It's fairly obvious that VIP was a contributing factor here, the timing is too coincidental. It looks to me that they sold both Pc and Xbox on the idea of VIP with lots of promises they knew they would never deliver on. So, now that they have hit the entire player base for the game, lets see how long it lasts.
Pastor Martin Niemöller had it right, but remember, before they come for anyone, they silence all, because to have discourse, is to breed discontent.
Well given that they're still "evaluating" the AD nerf, and have yet to do anything about boons (75k I think just for DR), and now this? I'll spend all my time running the stupid dungeons 2x/day plus weeklies just to buy GMOPs and now Coal wards for anything, let alone boons. Time to play another game.
This is a terrible decision that further divides people who spend $100+ a month from people who don't. Dividing the player base like this (even if there is only a handful of PvE instances to run) is never a good thing.
The fact that your suggestion would fix everything is proof that it's a cash grab by greedy capitalist pigs. Dammit I wish PWI had never touched Cryptic.
People that say 'cash grab' should never be allowed to play a game with the F2P model. F2P means free to play but we still have to pay our people, overhead and yes, show a profit or we will have to shut down. I wonder if they would rage at McDonalds if they found out they were selling their food for more than it cost them to produce?
I cant say I agree with this change but is just a game I play. If it is too much I will move on, no hissy fit or 'You are going to miss me when me and all of my friends leave!' post either.
The problem being that they have to monetize their game based on a small portion of their playerbase who is invested in the game because of the player population created by the fact the game is "free". So "cash grabs" like this generally have more of a negative impact and are only done in desperation. That's why you see a lot of people raging over changes like this; if Cryptic/PWE had any idea as to how to get people to play their game they wouldn't have to take measures like this. This isn't about them having to pay overhead and employees; it's about them having absolutely no idea how to properly monetize a game.
well I guess its back to not bothering to refine anything since getting Cwards from coffers is damn near impossible and now they're removing them from the trade bar store too. Sorry but 1000zen for 1 Cward is too damn expensive. It is one of the most insanely priced items in the zen store.
I agree with the others that say just make the wards BoA. That simple change will stop any of the supposed negative effects to the economy while still providing the players with a realistic means of obtaining wards thus allowing us to continue to upgrade our artifact items that we are forced to use.
This just another slap in the face that seems to be the mod 9 plan. First we get told that our beloved dungeons are returning only to later find out the only CN will be an end game dungeon and the rest will be simply pointless leveling dungeons. And even the return of CN was a slap in the face since its now just a chain of HEs instead of its original glory.
And now they slap us in the face again by removing the wards from the Tbar store. Yes, I like so many others, view buying wards for the trade bar store as the most beneficial aspect of having VIP status. The enchanted keys are nice but since after 100+ keys I've gotten nothing worthwhile from the lockboxes, the trade bars have become the thing I look forward to the most.
This is starting to feel like mod 6 all over again....
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sinister0menMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 17Arc User
sweet, this just freed up some beer money. i no longer want or need VIP or enchanted keys. you have successfully tanked the economy yet again, smooth move it should be sponsored by xlax
Nice bait and switch guys. Any way to get a refund on my now next to useless vip? Just to add my 2 cents here, I'm done spending real money with your company too.
BUT BUT you are being unfair you can use your VIP to get a Key and those keys to get trade bars and those bars to buy CLOTHES! You can play Neverwinter Dress UP! You know thats what we all came here for.
Pastor Martin Niemöller had it right, but remember, before they come for anyone, they silence all, because to have discourse, is to breed discontent.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
Nice bait and switch guys. Any way to get a refund on my now next to useless vip? Just to add my 2 cents here, I'm done spending real money with your company too.
BUT BUT you are being unfair you can use your VIP to get a Key and those keys to get trade bars and those bars to buy CLOTHES! You can play Neverwinter Dress UP! You know thats what we all came here for.
Clothes that take up inventory space, so you can buy MORE BAGS.
Been with you since the beginning .. beta... the moving wards to trade bar... then lowering price .allowed some of us to catch up with those who may have reached high levels from "wise investment " ... this move to eliminate them from trade bar store has already tripled the price of many things in ah and they will never return to their current level with the cost of coal back at its high.... and heading back to 500k
the lower cost of refinement allowed us to try multiple toons without HAMSTER them to death each time you tried another character I am a vip and was going to renew .. as trade bars were my source of refining ... with the elimination of this source the grind will take months for me to save/ earn the Ad needed now it does not matter to you ... but it does to me ... it has been a ride .. the roller coaster is breaking and I am thinking it is time to bail ... I will check back for my daily keys .. over my remaining 4 months ...might get lucky ....
I know there were a lot of questions regarding the Tradebar Store line in our announcement for Underdark yesterday. We have some further clarification for you.
Coalescent Wards will not be leaving the stores and pricing will not increase. Prices are still being adjusted and we will have more information soon. Rest assured we’re listening to community feedback. In terms of other items, we’re evaluating pricing and looking to make it more worthwhile to engage with the store. Again more information will be released in the near future.
NW Team
The creators of this game cannot be trusted at all. Nor do they know how to generate revenue... retain customers... or garner anything but the reputation for being unethical.
None of what we say here matters though... they will do what they want with OUR money. So... everyone just needs to stop giving it to them.
Is this really any surprise? I told y'all since the professions debacle that sent half the population packin' that was only the beginning. If you think this is the last anti-player thing they will do you are deceiving yourself. The only thing running through the mind of the man who shall not be named is new ways to squeeze blood from the cold dead stone heart of neverwinter before the last of you hit the door. And he doesn't care if you guys make a 100 page manifesto of rage. You could all quit. He will just get a new bunch of suckers to squeeze. Do yourself a favor and go get some fresh air next week or play something else. Maybe a 90% drop in population overnight might send a message that will be heard.
I can agree when I say that im surprised by your reactions (PC players). They lied to Xbox players and pulled a fast one on us and said that their needs to be "parity" in both games.
I can also say gladly that with PC and Xbox players both on the same page(outraged at this) and the current investigations with NW from Microsoft, something will be done soon.
This is my first post to the game developers. I have played the game for a long time and am also a VIP. I am not sure I can get any of my time or money back, but when my VIP runs out, I will not be back. I have seen many of my guild-mates leave to play other games, so it is now time to look for something else.
LOLOLOL Greedy greeedy greedy......................................... plain and simple this has help crapier player upgrade its balanced the game out and pushed VIP sales goodbye to people buying VIP and another tally for DEVS F******** players over because their greedy HOW ABOUT A CLASS UPDATE HOW ABOUT A CLASS UPDATER HOW ABOUT CLASS BALANCING
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I cant say I agree with this change but is just a game I play. If it is too much I will move on, no hissy fit or 'You are going to miss me when me and all of my friends leave!' post either.
The problem being that they have to monetize their game based on a small portion of their playerbase who is invested in the game because of the player population created by the fact the game is "free". So "cash grabs" like this generally have more of a negative impact and are only done in desperation. That's why you see a lot of people raging over changes like this; if Cryptic/PWE had any idea as to how to get people to play their game they wouldn't have to take measures like this. This isn't about them having to pay overhead and employees; it's about them having absolutely no idea how to properly monetize a game.
I agree with the others that say just make the wards BoA. That simple change will stop any of the supposed negative effects to the economy while still providing the players with a realistic means of obtaining wards thus allowing us to continue to upgrade our artifact items that we are forced to use.
This just another slap in the face that seems to be the mod 9 plan. First we get told that our beloved dungeons are returning only to later find out the only CN will be an end game dungeon and the rest will be simply pointless leveling dungeons. And even the return of CN was a slap in the face since its now just a chain of HEs instead of its original glory.
And now they slap us in the face again by removing the wards from the Tbar store. Yes, I like so many others, view buying wards for the trade bar store as the most beneficial aspect of having VIP status. The enchanted keys are nice but since after 100+ keys I've gotten nothing worthwhile from the lockboxes, the trade bars have become the thing I look forward to the most.
This is starting to feel like mod 6 all over again....
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this move to eliminate them from trade bar store has already tripled the price of many things in ah and they will never return to their current level with the cost of coal back at its high.... and heading back to 500k
the lower cost of refinement allowed us to try multiple toons without HAMSTER them to death each time you tried another character
I am a vip and was going to renew .. as trade bars were my source of refining ... with the elimination of this source the grind will take months for me to save/ earn the Ad needed
now it does not matter to you ... but it does to me ... it has been a ride .. the roller coaster is breaking and I am thinking it is time to bail ... I will check back for my daily keys .. over my remaining 4 months ...might get lucky ....
thanks for the years of play
PS this goes for my other accounts too
Yup... we have been lied to again.
The creators of this game cannot be trusted at all. Nor do they know how to generate revenue... retain customers... or garner anything but the reputation for being unethical.
None of what we say here matters though... they will do what they want with OUR money. So... everyone just needs to stop giving it to them.
Pandora's Misfits Guild Leader
I can also say gladly that with PC and Xbox players both on the same page(outraged at this) and the current investigations with NW from Microsoft, something will be done soon.
Will
This.