Sale today is actually a prime example of what the FUBAR 2/9/16 release (or lack there of) effect has been on me personally...
After no update on a fix to the tradebar debacle aka COALgate today I filed complaints with various companies - the BBB, MC, PWE, and contacted the CC company I have on file w/ MS to discuss the possiblities of chargebacks....
During this process at looked at my CC statement & MS account history, and man have I spent a chunk of change on this game since release on XBox One.
If the Tradebar store was updated as advertised, and as we were lead to believe... that chunk of change would have grown, I for sure would have spent some cash on Zen, GAR-UN-F'N-TEED.... I would have used that Zen to buy Keys, and chances are I would have repeated the process before the sale was over.
Now, after the abysmal way this ENTIRE situation has been handled since the 1/18/16 Trade Bar Blog, the Q&A, the stealth edit to blog post, the Live Stream during MTC, through release, the silence the past 2 days w/ any "official" response, to the blatant slap in the face "Hey Idiots, buy Keys/Zen, you guys are just plum dumb, this will make everything OK" Key/Zen sale - PWE/Cryptic has to be out of their minds if they think I will be spending a penny.
I truly hope I am not the only one who shares this sentiment, this is just another glaring smack in the mouth.
Sale today is actually a prime example of what the FUBAR 2/9/16 release (or lack there of) effect has been on me personally...
After no update on a fix to the tradebar debacle aka COALgate today I filed complaints with various companies - the BBB, MC, PWE, and contact the CC company I have on file w/ MS to discuss the possiblities of chargebacks....
During this process at looked at my CC statement & MS account history, and man have I spent a chunk of change on this game since release on XBox One.
If the Tradebar store was updated as advertised, and as we were lead to believe... that chunk of change would have grown, I for sure would have spent some cash on Zen, GAR-UN-F'N-TEED.... I would have used that Zen to buy Keys, and chances are I would have repeated the process before the sale was over.
Now, after the abysmal way this ENTIRE situation has been handled since the 1/18/16 Trade Bar Blog, the Q&A, the stealth edit to blog post, the Live Stream during mtc, through release, the silence the past 2 days w/ any "official" response, to the blatant slap in the face "Hey Idiots, buy Keys/Zen, you guys are just plum dumb, this will make everything OK" Key/Zen sale - PWE/Cryptic has to be out of their minds if they think I will be spending a penny.
I truly hope I am not alone in this - just another slap in the face.
YAY, Zen is on sale...no need to buy zen thanks, I already bought zen and paid for keys to have a chance on some goods and stock up on wards that were supposed to be available...
'Hey dude, you want me to post that ward statement?'
'Mate, we're having a key sale! I'm pretty sure there are some suckers left who believe we have a shred of integrity and think their getting their wards, wait until Monday. Then we can screw even more people by telling them they aren't coming back.'
But dude, you seen the complaints on the forum?'
'I'm not reading those. Who cares! Want to print them out, screw them into golf ball sized balls and hit them off the roof with my new gold golf clubs I brought with last months bonus?'
COALgate, huh? You know, I usually get annoyed at how every contoversy, major or minor, has the suffix "gate" added to it. In this case, though, I kind of like it.
You are joking right? Surely you must understand that we arent going to drop one friggin penny in this game until you start being honest with us. What good is a zen sale? Seriously? Tomorrow you might take the whole da$n Zen market away in the name of saving the economy.
GET REAL
Pastor Martin Niemöller had it right, but remember, before they come for anyone, they silence all, because to have discourse, is to breed discontent.
i was brought into this game months back by a pair of friends who i have known for 10+ years. right after i started they stopped (as they had been playing for months and i had another game i was interested in), and now there coming back just 6 months later, and they are baffled by how few dungeons there are. and that there are only 4 instances of well of dragons now. that skills have a 4th lvl. and so many other things i took for granted as normal.
i dont know what the future holds, or even if they will both be willing to play enough to grind up to 70 and restart grinding out equipment to be relevant again. in other games if you drop it for a while, even if you come back its up to your skill, not your wallet to make you relevant again.
"its tough getting back into the mindset to basically start over from scratch after all the work i put in" is what they said.
this is not a request to make things so easy anyone can do it, or giving out everything new for free at launch, just an observation.
this may not be wholly related, but in a way, it is when you think that if a lot of the current player base wanders off for a few months because of this even, if the game changes that drastically again, they may just stay gone.
im here to have fun playing, not to be the best out there. this is my recreation, not my job.
COALgate, huh? You know, I usually get annoyed at how every contoversy, major or minor, has the suffix "gate" added to it. In this case, though, I kind of like it.
I would go for "Death Ward". It's D&D-themed, it mentions wards, and it encapsulates player reaction in the thread.
This is so clear..Arc gave us fraudulent info.If the target is to get more incomes, is an error. They are going to lose a lot of gamers.
They said us about coal, wards and blood rubies with trade bars in the mod 9. I spent all my ad to get zen to open boxesand getting trade bars to upgrqde my sw. Now they quit coal and watds and not put blood rubies without any advice..this is no ethics and is fraudulent. Im mot going to spend any euro in that kind of company.
Only people who spend credit card will stand in game and they will be bored because no enough people to play with them
I will send a ticket to microsoft because arc broke terms. Is not a costumer fair attention. I guess all the affected gamers should do the same.
I have almost 100 days played and have spent probably a lil over a $1000 dollars playing the game, i honestly will not be dropping another dime into the game at all ever again, still debating on if I will request a refund from Microsoft or not but I won't be putting as much time into this game as I used to. Seems every module they drop they find a new way to mess the game up.
agreed, I being one who has not continued playing the game ( not allowed to say quit ).
I stopped buying Zen when they took out leadership. I think I made the right call then about what this company was. I still enjoy the game to some extent, but seeing as I had to wait 45 minutes for an epic dungeon queue earlier it seems the game population has declined rapidly since the last update. It would take a HUGE gesture from this company to ever get me to buy Zen again - But seeing as leadership was never fixed, dungeons were never returned and now coalgate - The game will be gone soon enough and I don't think any kind of gesture now will revive it.
Started this game last week I love Dnd games, Baldur's gate was the first game I ever played. This game could of been so great, maybe it was? Don't think I'll invest any money or anymore time in this game. Between the interaction bug and their horrible f2p model all I see is brown. Oh tried to catch the maintenance stream.... dude was late then left to get coffee...then stream didn't work. Mods in this forum sound like a bunch of angry nerds taking their angst out on the gen pop, guess the clock tower is too far from the lazyboy.
Not trying to be nit-picky and not that ARC/PW care to follow through on what they say.....but you guys did say we would have an answer this morning at the latest well PM starts in 10 min from post
You people really, really messed up. Did you not expect or predict this reaction? Your entire XBox customer base is furious.
If you were not able to predict this you need to review your business practices because you are not in touch with reality.
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I was under the impression that we would get a response by this morning. Can someone important please inform us of when to expect that statement? or at least give us a little insight into what's going on? Because it's 12 pacific time right now
They gave us more lies when they said they would address this, and sent messages out saying they were close. that was almost 24 hrs ago... What a joke. its more stall tactics to see how the market takes with the removal of the items. i seriously think people should just walk away til this is addressed. by playing, they are adding to allowing to screw us more. the Execs need to stop thinking about the short term and think of the long term. cause right now they are running this game into the ground and this game will be dead on xbox before summer. you have seriously killed the game and name. I wonder.. Is Wizards of the Coast and Forgotten Realms in on this also, or did you leave that part out with them?
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> First off, let me say that as a PC player, I sympathize with you lot. We've gone through several of these.. cryptic announcements over the last 3 years and we were no more happy about those than you guys are now. As such, I have no desire to defend Cryptic. This is quite possibly some of the WORST Customer Service I have ever witnessed.
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> Well.. not exactly. You're out of context. To modify your analogy correctly: It's akin to going to a car dealership to buy a nice truck you saw advertised on tv driving on a long and beautiful stretch of road filmed in Italy, buying the truck, waiting for it to be delivered and then when it is you discover that the ticket to Italy was not included in the price.
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> Let's look objectively at what happened:
> 1. Cryptic -unintentionally- let you believe you'd get the same trade bar shop as we have.
> 2. The matter was somewhat corrected in the blog, but in a very sloppy way. There's no excuse for that. Andy should have read the post and confirm with the management that this was indeed what the change would be about. Then it should have received the proper attention and people should have been alerted of this change. Again, this is on Cryptic. They've done this before, and it will most likely happen again in the future. Proofreading isn't one of their strong points.
> 3. And here's the rub. It's quite simple to just adhere to the old promise and give you what was promised. But this has economical consequences that were simply not foreseen. So they have to decide what countermeasures will have to be taken to bring the economy back into balance. And I can assure you that you won't like any of them.
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> Hopefully you'll see the dilemma: Either give you what was promised, or be forced to implement certain other -possibly drastic- changes along with this to balance the game. For once, I don't blame them for requiring time to decide which one of the 2 evils is the lesser one.
> That said, I do expect they will eventually decide to keep their promises and will implement other economic changes to compensate for it. It's the only sensible course of action.
Not even close in your analogy. The first analogy is correct and it was very intentional. How do we know....first the blog showing the same store, second there was a definitive state by the CM that the wards would not leave the Tbar store (so forgetting the price change part they should still be there at the original price), third they pushed a big sale on lockbox keys for players to get more and more tradebars. Then after that sale they waited a few days and very quietly put in a very small caveat on the original blog, and of course got caught. Add to it that they took away the weekend event of the double ad so people could earn back more ad to convert to Zen for wards and then.....low and behold the price for Zen (from real dollar purchases) is discounted. If you don't think that it was very intentional then you have no sense of their previous business model and mistakes or you are actually an employee that jumps in and on the surface looks like you are not but then says things that almost make it sound like a mistake.
It was not mistake, it was a very purposeful and well planned out endeavor.
agreed. this was intentional. every step of the way. it was stated the keys were to prep up for the trade bar changes. the coal wards were never in any doubt of not being there. IMO the worst case scenario should have been the coal wards were still there but price unchanged. I am also agreed teh first analogy was correct the second made no sense for this situation whatsoever. Something was advertised and it was not delivered. People spent money in anticipation of that advertisement and then they backpedaled. The second analogy has a ridiculous factor. no one expects plane tickets to italy or where ever a commercial is shot. But when you say upcoming changes to the store will be... you expect those changes. personally, knowing cryptic I had doubts as to whether we'd see some of the new things that we'd not gotten on this platform yet but I had no doubt they'd keep the things we already had like coal wards or be very very clear they would be taken out of the store.
Just like the 2x that were on the schedule were there for weeks and then the day before disappear. People make plans around that. it's bad business. dishonest at best.
Just like the 2x that were on the schedule were there for weeks and then the day before disappear. People make plans around that. it's bad business. dishonest at best.
I had bags full of salvage ready for this weekend and they didn't even have the decency to answer me whether the double AD would still be on when I asked several times over twitter. Logged off for now as I CBA to try and juggle bits to make space in bags.
Judging by the Community Manager's last tweet though, I guess I'm free to watch the storm of crud that's going to be thrown around the forums in a bit.
Judging by the Community Manager's last tweet though, I guess I'm free to watch the storm of crud that's going to be thrown around the forums in a bit.
Awesome.
Oh? Info please.
Pastor Martin Niemöller had it right, but remember, before they come for anyone, they silence all, because to have discourse, is to breed discontent.
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After no update on a fix to the tradebar debacle aka COALgate today I filed complaints with various companies - the BBB, MC, PWE, and contacted the CC company I have on file w/ MS to discuss the possiblities of chargebacks....
During this process at looked at my CC statement & MS account history, and man have I spent a chunk of change on this game since release on XBox One.
If the Tradebar store was updated as advertised, and as we were lead to believe... that chunk of change would have grown, I for sure would have spent some cash on Zen, GAR-UN-F'N-TEED.... I would have used that Zen to buy Keys, and chances are I would have repeated the process before the sale was over.
Now, after the abysmal way this ENTIRE situation has been handled since the 1/18/16 Trade Bar Blog, the Q&A, the stealth edit to blog post, the Live Stream during MTC, through release, the silence the past 2 days w/ any "official" response, to the blatant slap in the face "Hey Idiots, buy Keys/Zen, you guys are just plum dumb, this will make everything OK" Key/Zen sale - PWE/Cryptic has to be out of their minds if they think I will be spending a penny.
I truly hope I am not the only one who shares this sentiment, this is just another glaring smack in the mouth.
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'Hey dude, you want me to post that ward statement?'
'Mate, we're having a key sale! I'm pretty sure there are some suckers left who believe we have a shred of integrity and think their getting their wards, wait until Monday. Then we can screw even more people by telling them they aren't coming back.'
But dude, you seen the complaints on the forum?'
'I'm not reading those. Who cares! Want to print them out, screw them into golf ball sized balls and hit them off the roof with my new gold golf clubs I brought with last months bonus?'
You are joking right? Surely you must understand that we arent going to drop one friggin penny in this game until you start being honest with us. What good is a zen sale? Seriously? Tomorrow you might take the whole da$n Zen market away in the name of saving the economy.
GET REAL
i dont know what the future holds, or even if they will both be willing to play enough to grind up to 70 and restart grinding out equipment to be relevant again. in other games if you drop it for a while, even if you come back its up to your skill, not your wallet to make you relevant again.
"its tough getting back into the mindset to basically start over from scratch after all the work i put in" is what they said.
this is not a request to make things so easy anyone can do it, or giving out everything new for free at launch, just an observation.
this may not be wholly related, but in a way, it is when you think that if a lot of the current player base wanders off for a few months because of this even, if the game changes that drastically again, they may just stay gone.
im here to have fun playing, not to be the best out there. this is my recreation, not my job.
They said us about coal, wards and blood rubies with trade bars in the mod 9.
I spent all my ad to get zen to open boxesand getting trade bars to upgrqde my sw. Now they quit coal and watds and not put blood rubies without any advice..this is no ethics and is fraudulent. Im mot going to spend any euro in that kind of company.
Only people who spend credit card will stand in game and they will be bored because no enough people to play with them
I will send a ticket to microsoft because arc broke terms. Is not a costumer fair attention. I guess all the affected gamers should do the same.
If you were not able to predict this you need to review your business practices because you are not in touch with reality.
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Just like the 2x that were on the schedule were there for weeks and then the day before disappear. People make plans around that. it's bad business. dishonest at best.
Judging by the Community Manager's last tweet though, I guess I'm free to watch the storm of crud that's going to be thrown around the forums in a bit.
Awesome.
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