[QOL] BoC becomes BoA

dersidius · October 2015

So with the huge win for the majority of the population (I'm talking about the implementation of ALL guild vendored items being BOA) I come to the community today with a poll request to figure out this simple question, that IMO would improve QOL drastically, as well as keep players playing for a very long time

Should all BoC (Bound on Character Items) Become BoA (Bound on Account items)

The benefits of such a change would include a lot, but mainly this following implementation.

1 type of artifact, for all the toons on each account.

my personal account has multiple copies of the same artifact, and it's starting to feel very excessive.

Implementation of such a change like this would also allow the class specifc artifacts (that are currently black holes for ad) be used in other classes that would need them more then your current main toon.

this would encourage the player base to have multiple classes, and have far more to do in game with less cost to do it.

So vote on:

Yes, to make all Boc Items BoA

or

No, if you disagree

zukn75 · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

It's a no brainer.

ayroux · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

zukn75 said:
It's a no brainer.

What else is there to say other than this.

I dont play alts for this EXACT reason.... If it were BOA I would play my alts and play the game MUCH more.

soltasword · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

This is definitely a no brainer.

unshavenpear · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

Are they implementing this now? Or is this just a sweetener while the servers are failing AGAIN....

dersidius · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

unshavenpear#3499 said:
Are they implementing this now? Or is this just a sweetener while the servers are failing AGAIN....

This is me trying to rally support behind something that NEEDs to be implemented... hopefully with 1000+ votes... they'll look at it??

Please spread the word

kolatmaster · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

All I can say is... Yes!

xxmantaraxx · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

This is a huge QoL issue for me. If I earned it I should be able to do with it as I please. Not only that, The insane bag pressure the different bind states put on my characters is overwhelming. I have bought bags with purchased zen and I still feel like there is no space left in my inventory.

cjh1983 · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

They already started doing it, the next logical step is to remove binding altogether or bta for everything , btc has no reason for being

pterias · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

Yes, yes, and more yes. I don't even remotely dare to hope for BtA Artifacts because I'd bet my horns that will NEVER happen, but yes. Relenting on the relentless bag space problem would be nice, but really for me it's more about being able to share things between my characters or earn things on behalf of other characters. Equipped items (at least most things) should even be BtA just like the Xvim gear.

ghoulz66 · October 2015

Why isn't lathander's eye BoA...? Lostmauth's horn is BoE... HOW is this fair or make any sense? Find it twice on a char who doesn't need it, never find on one who actually does.

bghost · October 2015

i would rather some things not be bound at all so i can sale SOMETHING in the AH

ghoulz66 · October 2015

bghost said:
i would rather some things not be bound at all so i can sale SOMETHING in the AH

Apparently, finding loot and selling it on AH is cheating the company, less you pump out your wallet for lockbox keys.

zebular · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

From a non-poll thread, my comments on Binding:

zebular said:

asterdahl said:
Just so there is not any confusion, the account bound status is intentional. In fact, with the release of Module 6 certain equipment such as those pieces purchased with seals of the elements were already account bound, though equipment for other classes was somewhat obscurely buried in the "misc." tab.
Very awesome to hear, @asterdahl! Thanks! I'm sure you all remember that I am totally against anything in an MMO being bound at all. However, if we must have things bind, I do feel pretty much everything should be Account Bound. The game has strayed very far from an alt-friendly game as it used to be for the first few modules. More account bound and less character bound is a great way to bring the game back to your alt-o'holic playerbase.
asterdahl said:
As far as the issue of transmutes or dyes changing the bind status without a warning, I can't say that there will be a change to those systems affecting bind status, but we will certainly be looking into the fact that there is no warning message when the bind status is about to change. I would like to apologize for any inconvenience this issue may have caused.
Yeah, anything that makes something become character bound, regardless of it's prior bind status, should give a promt as a warning so people can make better decisions. However, as I stated above, I do feel there really shouldn't be any "character" binding in the game, most everything that binds should be account bound. Aye.

urabask · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

magenubbie said:
If we're talking about used companions and used artifacts then no. It would make things way too easy. Imagine a lvl15 with a mythic artifact. As if low level PvP wasn't bad enough with R12s and trans vorpals.. Not to mention it would seriously lower the effort -and potential money spend- on alts. That's not done in any decent MMO, and it shouldn't be done here either.

If we're talking about drops and rewards that are currently BtC like RP and such, then yes. Definitely.

Alas, the poll doesn't separate the two, so I won't vote.

Any used item (besides enchants) is automatically bound to character and that's never changing so it's a moot point to even worry about that.

dersidius · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

I hope you guys know that the AD cost required to be competitive in any form of this game is what drives away the player base... among-st other bug related reasons

glubtal · October 2015

No, The majority of BOC items should not become BOA

Thats a clear NO, we should only play 1 character, or suffer if we make alts. Make all savalgable items BoC aswell...

dufisto · October 2015

the only thing i really want to move between chars is special mounts and some unused companions. and i'd be happy to cough up a modest ad fee to move them from one char to the next and have them rebind. but arti's and arti sets would be way a little overboard in my opinion. and my definition of modest is not cryptic. somehow they feel 15k ad for the weekly quests is significant. yet it costs over 2.5M ad to upgrade a pet from white to orange.

what is nessesary to help alts isnt making everything boa. its a drastic reduction in the cost of refining, both ad and rp. just cuz i managed to get a char to 70 doesnt mean that char should have bis gear immediately. im fine with gearing up alts. but the endless grind for rp is excessive.

glubtal · October 2015

No, The majority of BOC items should not become BOA

Maybe you do, but lots of people just create 25 accounts to get 50 characters. Luckely the Leadership nerf made this less good. I just feel that alot here have way too many alts to take care of and they get stressed over AD nerfs just becourse of that. But hey, thats just my opinion and clearly I'm a minority here, every1 just want more and more AD..

dersidius · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

glubtal said:
Maybe you do, but lots of people just create 25 accounts to get 50 characters. Luckely the Leadership nerf made this less good. I just feel that alot here have way too many alts to take care of and they get stressed over AD nerfs just becourse of that. But hey, thats just my opinion and clearly I'm a minority here, every1 just want more and more AD..

It's not about having "More AD" it's about being allowed to use your AD in the most lucrative way...

Look at diablo's (Blizzard Game) bind system... everything not sellable is BOA and moveable everywhere.. they still make HAMSTER tons of money, I'm sure you know.

silverkelt · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

1000000X agreement times 10000000% more.

silverkelt · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

glubtal said:
Maybe you do, but lots of people just create 25 accounts to get 50 characters. Luckely the Leadership nerf made this less good. I just feel that alot here have way too many alts to take care of and they get stressed over AD nerfs just becourse of that. But hey, thats just my opinion and clearly I'm a minority here, every1 just want more and more AD..

you seem to misunderstand something.. I like many bought.. I E paid cold hard cash for our slots, they should have some value of some sort.

you guys are crazy.. IVE never played a mmo that MADE it worse to play alts, all other mmos have made it easier over time.

dersidius · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

magenubbie said:

silverkelt said:
you guys are crazy.. IVE never played a mmo that MADE it worse to play alts, all other mmos have made it easier over time.
There's no other game that allows you to make more currency with alts that don't play than the characters you do play either. Now that that got fixed, it's time to bring things back to normal. In every game you gear your characters separately from eachother. Mains can be helpful in some ways, but the real work still has to be done on alts. I see no reason for that to change here. You're already getting free gear for alts by playing your main. Is that not enough?

Stupid question really, judging by this thread. On a silver platter, preferably with a huge AD bonus to boot or it's clearly not enough...

Man... The work required to do a new alt has nothing to do with the AD needed (which is currently redundant and trivial) the boons alone... the level grind from 60-70... the man hours put in there coupled with a measly 24k ROUGH AD cap a day is complete nonsense and unless your well off in game with millions at your disposal, secondary alts are a fantasy.

Not that I don't have the AD to cover it, I certainly do, but I've leveled 3 GWF sigils, 5 DC sigils (all to orange or mythic) and it really is starting to get HAMSTER lmao.

ayroux · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

All this thread confirms, is there are (at this point in time) atleast THREE idiots who play this game.

pando83 · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

I don't know...really...BoC is so nice...NOT!

I want all my hard earned goodies BoA so i can have phun with any toon i create without re-farming everything.
I add: campaigns and boons unlocked on the whole account.

schietindebux · October 2015

No, The majority of BOC items should not become BOA

cheap way to hop from one broken class to the next, not sure about the effect this will have in the long sight

" lfm for elol any dps, already are 4 OP´s"

double spec would be a start for me like PVP setup/PVE setup or heal/tank, damage/support etc.
thats something I miss in this game

I would say in case you are board of the class you play implement a class-change for Zen (it has to be painful)
so pay for it if you suffer from the class so it´s win win (and Cryptic earns more money)

dersidius · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

schietindebux said:
double spec would be a start for me like PVP setup/PVE setup or heal/tank, damage/support etc.
thats something I miss in this game

Sounds like another good thing they could implement for those who don't want to farm boons again. But for those who want a Play 2 Win option, BoA artifacts and other gear is a great way to award long time loyal members

torontodave · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

If I could move my lostmauth 3pc to another character class, I would.

psyb3rtr011 · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

magenubbie said:
If we're talking about used companions and used artifacts then no. It would make things way too easy. Imagine a lvl15 with a mythic artifact. As if low level PvP wasn't bad enough with R12s and trans vorpals.. Not to mention it would seriously lower the effort -and potential money spend- on alts. That's not done in any decent MMO, and it shouldn't be done here either.

If we're talking about drops and rewards that are currently BtC like RP and such, then yes. Definitely.

Alas, the poll doesn't separate the two, so I won't vote.

I would think equipping would make it non-transferable, and could even accept this for Enchants & Runestones.

The BoA vs BOC argument has to do with new stuff acquired, and to me, even more important, storage space availability.

psyb3rtr011 · October 2015

Yes, All BOC Items should become BOA; where applicable

ayroux said:
All this thread confirms, is there are (at this point in time) atleast THREE idiots who play this game.

ROFL... Remember, half of any group is below Average!

dufisto · October 2015

schietindebux said:
" lfm for elol any dps, already are 4 OP´s"

double spec would be a start for me like PVP setup/PVE setup or heal/tank, damage/support etc.
thats something I miss in this game

I would say in case you are board of the class you play implement a class-change for Zen (it has to be painful)
so pay for it if you suffer from the class so it´s win win (and Cryptic earns more money)

psyb3rtr011 said:

magenubbie said:
If we're talking about used companions and used artifacts then no. It would make things way too easy. Imagine a lvl15 with a mythic artifact. As if low level PvP wasn't bad enough with R12s and trans vorpals.. Not to mention it would seriously lower the effort -and potential money spend- on alts. That's not done in any decent MMO, and it shouldn't be done here either.

If we're talking about drops and rewards that are currently BtC like RP and such, then yes. Definitely.

Alas, the poll doesn't separate the two, so I won't vote.
I would think equipping would make it non-transferable, and could even accept this for Enchants & Runestones.

The BoA vs BOC argument has to do with new stuff acquired, and to me, even more important, storage space availability.

thats not what the op asked for. he wanted to move his arti's from one char to the next. so he wouldnt have to refine anything or farm anything.

the reason this is even an issue is RP is too scares/requirements too high.

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