So for the most part, everything in leadership is staying the same as far as generating coins, XP, professions XP, etc and they just took away the ability to earn AD's?
They didn't increase the amount of gold, XP or whatever a person makes in lieu of making AD's?
Cryptic doesn't want anyone to purchase AD's from a third party vendor, yet they have done away with just about every method a person had to make AD's in the game, at least those of us who don't have hours upon hours to play the game or 'extra' money to purchase AD's from PWE...
I'm sure there is a 'method to their madness', but I'll be damned if I can figure it out unless the plan is to drive off all the casual players who just want to play and earn AD's so they can purchase the best gear they can afford in the little time they have for gaming - or encourage people to actually try those frowned upon other vendors.
Did you guy notice that,for stronghold claymore main hand and second hand artifact;your guild rank has to reach rank 16 it was rank 8 they are HAMSTER kidding us or what ?
They announced this weeks ago. From the start of Mod 7 it was always intended for rank 16.
I've never posted before. I play solo. I loved playing solo in this game. Then they upped the difficulty so that it was near impossible to solo in a number of areas I'd previously had no problems. It took me a while, but I finally managed to get back to being able to solo in Well of Dragons and the like. Now they mess up AD and don't even do anything to fix Leadership? Before you make these sorts of crazy decisions, maybe just maybe check with the player base? *sighs*
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
I think this has set a good example on how to be very careful in how you spend your actual money with this organization.
^^^ Yeah, that! ^^^
If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have spent a single penny on Neverwinter...
But we'll call this a life lesson and from now on I will be very careful, not to mention suspicious of any game from PWE or Cryptic and keep my hard earned money.
psyb3rtr011Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 340Arc User
edited September 2015
^^^^^What so many others have said above with regards Solo play^^^^^
I get between 1 and 2 hours a day to play (Split between before and after work). By the time I complete the Dailies for Stronghold, and the Invocations for my 8 characters, I have no time for Dungeons, PvP (Which I abhor so wouldn't play if it was the only thing available) or Foundries.
Dungeons require getting 4 others, who happen to be on when you can play, and who are free to run,and then take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour. (That is missing or delaying one or two of the Invocations per character, with times to switch characters to account for).
Skirmishes... You have to put your name in a queue, and wait for an opening, and then take 15 minutes to complete. (Another Invocation delayed)
PvP... Over my dead body, but it also requires the same investment of time as Skirmishes if I were to participate.
Foundries: These I could do, and they take about 15 minutes or more to complete, same problem with the others and Invocations.
So, I either spend my first hour a day, getting all 8 of my characters there first 3 Invocations completed, and then complete my 4th one after work.... Or forgo Invocations completely, and their guaranteed AD and more importantly, points towards an Angel Companion, Nice Mount, or other long time Invocation rewards.....
Some of us have MILLIONS of AD and Real Money sunk into getting Hero's, Adventurers and Men At Arms, so that we could possibly have a source of AD to buy the tens of GMOPs required to upgrade Runestones and other stuff, as well as spending getting the better Crafting Items
Now, instead of just complaining, I actually have some solutions:
1) Reduce Invocations to once a day. But instead of rewarding all the Astral Diamonds, Experienced, and such on that one term. Give a base bonus of 500 AD, Experience, etc and matching rewards for the next 24 hours to AD, Experience, etc through game play. To a maximum. (Target 24K total daily ) Kind of like you do with the Bonus Exp now...
2) Reward AD through Dailies, but in much smaller amounts. Even 50, with a 50 match for doing a Daily Invocation, would be an improvement, and allow players to earn AD through playing the game. After all, I get at MOST 8 Dailies in the Stronghold (4 or 5 inside the Stronghold one of which requires three outside the stronghold in support of other campaigns). Even at 100 each, with matching, that would be 1600 AD a day.... (If I do not do them, no progress occurs in the Stronghold, so I am required to spend about an hour to and hour and a half a day, there alone. When would I have time for Dungeons, Foundry, PvP or Skirmishes?)
3) Return them to Leadership, but: A) Remove the Exp (We already advance too fast in this game as it is.), Companion Exp (Once they are maxed, this becomes meaningless. I currently have over 80 Companions all maxed with my main character. Make AD rewards requisite on performing previous Leadership Tasks that do not reward AD. (Like you currently have with Marks of Gratitude, which drop far too much to make them a threat, and the AD cost of them in the Foundry makes using them for this purpose a loss of AD.)
4) Better yet, how about capping the number of AD any Account can get per day.
5) Change what can be gathered acquired in Crafting to stuff which actually matters. As it is now, Crafting is all but going to die....
Your current system rewards the BOTS, who will simply figure another way to milk the system, and the Professional gamers, who get 12 + hours a day to play. The casual gamers are phywqued!
^^^^^What so many others have said above with regards Solo play^^^^^
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Your current system rewards the BOTS, who will simply figure another way to milk the system, and the Professional gamers, who get 12 + hours a day to play. The casual gamers are phywqued!
The ironioc part is there are not that many bots, most of the people running alt armies are not bots, but the clowns at PWE are not smart enough to know that or the difference. Ironically, there is still a loop hole in the entire system that allows you to generate the 24K day max per character even with all these changes without ever running a single quest. Stop blaming the bots which are almost non existant and make a game that is not pay to win, then people will stop using your own rules against you.
You assume that this was actually meant to try to stop the bots. Many believe that it's a cash-grab to force more zen purchases and the bots excuse is just that. An excuse.
I think they atleast need to bring back the dailies. I mean this the most crippling part of the new changes. If we atleast get 3k for the 1 dungeon per character a day, that pretty much brings back alot of the AD we lost from the new chagnes.
BTW the pvp reward has already yielded the bot pvp players that was being pointed out in this tread repeatedly, just played 2 matches with atelast 1 player constantly running around camp.
"As the good archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself." -Danilo Thann[/quote]
So are you trying to force people to use the sites outside of PWE to get AD's? Replacing AD's with exp IMHO is lame. Experience is easy to get and worthless (in the small amounts given) to players that are already level 70. I see players spamming all the time from places like Vgolds. I'm sure logs are created. This is starting to get really frustrating from my point of view. I am a single parent with a job and was using this game to relax. I simply don't live in my mother's basement so I don't have the time it will now take to get what I used to in AD's. Stop the bots and leave the rest of us alone please.
They should have swapped out leadership AD for account bound AD vouchers which you can exchange after completing a dungeon. Set a cap so that no account can get more than 100K AD or so by the 3rd or 4th dungeon run a day. Better leadership assets...slightly higher voucher value. Obviously the numbers can be set however they want, but it wouldn't be a slap to the face of everyone leveling their leadership over the year(s). The bots might still make lots of AD, but they'd have to at least have a real person run dungeons for it (assuming bots dont run dungeons yet). That should slow them some.
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theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
You know, one of the things that annoys me the most about this is that there's basically been no damage control in terms of addressing community outrage.
But, on the other hand, last time Strum started a thread trying to address player outrage (over the leadership changes on gateway) it went ... poorly. So I guess I can understand why.
You know, one of the things that annoys me the most about this is that there's basically been no damage control in terms of addressing community outrage.
But, on the other hand, last time Strum started a thread trying to address player outrage (over the leadership changes on gateway) it went ... poorly. So I guess I can understand why.
Well to be fair, I wouldn't want my name anywhere near this either.
When I logged in today, after a long day of working, I have to say I was less than happy about this change. There are very, very few things I hate more than being punished for someone else's behavior. One would be punished for someone else's behavior by a service provider. I understand that how there could be a botting issue, but this is not really going to solve it in the long run. And it does not create a level playing field. Well, let me qualify that. If you consider a level playing field a system where someone who gets to stay at home all day and does not work, or chooses to use the game system for the purpose of earning money, then yes, this may actually work. If you consider a level playing field where someone who works a good 50 hour week can enjoy the same advantages that someone who plays all day does, then no. You do not need to be a scofflaw bot runner to be able to benefit from making astral diamonds in the leadership profession. For me, it was a way to level the playing field a little because at least I could get a modest amount of astral diamonds for my characters and still have enough equipment to play in a good number of the events.
What would really level the playing field?
How about changing the new stronghold task rewards so that you can earn the necessary items from rewards the Cleric issues so that you do not have to complete the Epic Cragmire Crypts or similar dungeon to earn them. That would, for the most part, eliminate some of the necessity of having those items that cost in excess of 10M astral diamonds in the market. As it stands, even though that dungeon, and those comparable, have a minimum required item level of 2000, unless you have upwards of 3000, any add on can have a one shot kill. In fact, the other players queued will actually get upset with you if you do not have a total of at least 3000, because you should know better (and justifiably, as they have now wasted 20 minutes on a mission that is doomed). Make the tasks more reasonable, and the astral diamond issue will go away, for the most part.
You know, one of the things that annoys me the most about this is that there's basically been no damage control in terms of addressing community outrage.
But, on the other hand, last time Strum started a thread trying to address player outrage (over the leadership changes on gateway) it went ... poorly. So I guess I can understand why.
He did mention on the twitch channel today that he did have a personal opinion about this but after his post about gateway he was going to keep it to himself this time.
I wonder how long it will be before the same people that were advocating in other threads to remove AD from leadership start new posts complaining about how they now have no AD and that they can't "catch up to the people who had lots of AD to start with"?
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feanor70118Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,170Arc User
Yeah... just re-read the patch notes: "Invocation will now reliably grant rewards instead of needing to attempt it several times." 9/15 Patch Notes
When you read, "reliably," picture Dr. Evil saying it while making air quotes. Then you will understand something about Cryptic's bug fixes, promises and pretty much anything else they say.
You are going to need to drastically Leadership's times to complete tasks and some of the rewards. Just stripping out AD does not work, what a typically slop-shot approach. People generally lose their jobs over such half-arsed actions. I get that you want to take away any free ride for those that don't play the game the way you want it played. It is your company's property and all, just plan things out better and look at things a bit more closely before you just blind drop scripts.
Wasn't this patch supposed to address the multiple attempts it took to invoke? I still had to try *at least* twice to invoke the first time on my characters, today...
Yeah... just re-read the patch notes: "Invocation will now reliably grant rewards instead of needing to attempt it several times." 9/15 Patch Notes
How long will it take them, to bring the Leadership tasks into a more reasonable line? - upgrading the rewards - adjusting the time needed for some task The things, they should have done, before only removing AD from it...
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They didn't increase the amount of gold, XP or whatever a person makes in lieu of making AD's?
Cryptic doesn't want anyone to purchase AD's from a third party vendor, yet they have done away with just about every method a person had to make AD's in the game, at least those of us who don't have hours upon hours to play the game or 'extra' money to purchase AD's from PWE...
I'm sure there is a 'method to their madness', but I'll be damned if I can figure it out unless the plan is to drive off all the casual players who just want to play and earn AD's so they can purchase the best gear they can afford in the little time they have for gaming - or encourage people to actually try those frowned upon other vendors.
If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have spent a single penny on Neverwinter...
But we'll call this a life lesson and from now on I will be very careful, not to mention suspicious of any game from PWE or Cryptic and keep my hard earned money.
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I get between 1 and 2 hours a day to play (Split between before and after work). By the time I complete the Dailies for Stronghold, and the Invocations for my 8 characters, I have no time for Dungeons, PvP (Which I abhor so wouldn't play if it was the only thing available) or Foundries.
Dungeons require getting 4 others, who happen to be on when you can play, and who are free to run,and then take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour. (That is missing or delaying one or two of the Invocations per character, with times to switch characters to account for).
Skirmishes... You have to put your name in a queue, and wait for an opening, and then take 15 minutes to complete. (Another Invocation delayed)
PvP... Over my dead body, but it also requires the same investment of time as Skirmishes if I were to participate.
Foundries: These I could do, and they take about 15 minutes or more to complete, same problem with the others and Invocations.
So, I either spend my first hour a day, getting all 8 of my characters there first 3 Invocations completed, and then complete my 4th one after work.... Or forgo Invocations completely, and their guaranteed AD and more importantly, points towards an Angel Companion, Nice Mount, or other long time Invocation rewards.....
Some of us have MILLIONS of AD and Real Money sunk into getting Hero's, Adventurers and Men At Arms, so that we could possibly have a source of AD to buy the tens of GMOPs required to upgrade Runestones and other stuff, as well as spending getting the better Crafting Items
Now, instead of just complaining, I actually have some solutions:
1) Reduce Invocations to once a day. But instead of rewarding all the Astral Diamonds, Experienced, and such on that one term. Give a base bonus of 500 AD, Experience, etc and matching rewards for the next 24 hours to AD, Experience, etc through game play. To a maximum. (Target 24K total daily ) Kind of like you do with the Bonus Exp now...
2) Reward AD through Dailies, but in much smaller amounts. Even 50, with a 50 match for doing a Daily Invocation, would be an improvement, and allow players to earn AD through playing the game. After all, I get at MOST 8 Dailies in the Stronghold (4 or 5 inside the Stronghold one of which requires three outside the stronghold in support of other campaigns). Even at 100 each, with matching, that would be 1600 AD a day.... (If I do not do them, no progress occurs in the Stronghold, so I am required to spend about an hour to and hour and a half a day, there alone. When would I have time for Dungeons, Foundry, PvP or Skirmishes?)
3) Return them to Leadership, but:
A) Remove the Exp (We already advance too fast in this game as it is.), Companion Exp (Once they are maxed, this becomes meaningless. I currently have over 80 Companions all maxed with my main character.
4) Better yet, how about capping the number of AD any Account can get per day.
5) Change what can be gathered acquired in Crafting to stuff which actually matters. As it is now, Crafting is all but going to die....
Your current system rewards the BOTS, who will simply figure another way to milk the system, and the Professional gamers, who get 12 + hours a day to play. The casual gamers are phywqued!
AKA Cyber Troll and Euben Hadd
At last someone is working, ....
BTW the pvp reward has already yielded the bot pvp players that was being pointed out in this tread repeatedly, just played 2 matches with atelast 1 player constantly running around camp.
World first innovation by cryptic and PE.
But, on the other hand, last time Strum started a thread trying to address player outrage (over the leadership changes on gateway) it went ... poorly. So I guess I can understand why.
What would really level the playing field?
How about changing the new stronghold task rewards so that you can earn the necessary items from rewards the Cleric issues so that you do not have to complete the Epic Cragmire Crypts or similar dungeon to earn them. That would, for the most part, eliminate some of the necessity of having those items that cost in excess of 10M astral diamonds in the market. As it stands, even though that dungeon, and those comparable, have a minimum required item level of 2000, unless you have upwards of 3000, any add on can have a one shot kill. In fact, the other players queued will actually get upset with you if you do not have a total of at least 3000, because you should know better (and justifiably, as they have now wasted 20 minutes on a mission that is doomed). Make the tasks more reasonable, and the astral diamond issue will go away, for the most part.
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the rank 25 task, that takes a whole day, has the same reward as one of the the 4hrs tasks.
Yes, this change looks really well planed and thought through... good job.
- upgrading the rewards
- adjusting the time needed for some task
The things, they should have done, before only removing AD from it...