Enemies have 50% more HP. oh really?
Time to bring out the buff/debuff/dps DC.
some CW's better respec to renegade for the party buff.
We will need to maximize party dps.
Not just that but now more CW's might have to start freezing things.
What some people think cws are doing is always massively mysterious to me. If they don't stay frozen for long its not the cws fault its the mobs having control resistance now.
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urlord283Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,084Arc User
I think the change is at the very least a step in the right direction.
I will try to run a few Epic DDs to see if it helps me.
Maybe even a mini Dungeon in the "Well"
Urlord
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Let us know what you see, I will do some testing as well.. if its only 1-70 then the change is meaningless and just counterproductive to the game.
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instynctiveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,885Arc User
61+ content was way too much of a step-up for a regular player. By regular player, I mean a player in normal dungeon blues and the odd artifact, with Rank 5 enchants, i.e. the kind of player that will be looking to the Campaigns for improving their character.
I bought all new schmexy level 60 blue gear for my new level 60 character... then when he hit 70, I bought all new level schmexy level 70 gear for him. Total cost for full sets of armor = under 10k AD... and every piece had "...of Piercing" in the name... and most of of also included the word "Cruel..."
That *almost* leveled the playing field for that character.
61+ content was way too much of a step-up for a regular player. By regular player, I mean a player in normal dungeon blues and the odd artifact, with Rank 5 enchants, i.e. the kind of player that will be looking to the Campaigns for improving their character.
I bought all new schmexy level 60 blue gear for my new level 60 character... then when he hit 70, I bought all new level schmexy level 70 gear for him. Total cost for full sets of armor = under 10k AD... and every piece had "...of Piercing" in the name... and most of of also included the word "Cruel..."
That *almost* leveled the playing field for that character.
Probably depends on the class you play and your build.
My CW is in similar gear, and she can kill a group of mobs in the last area of Spinward or in Sharandar without too much difficulty. It's easy to die though if you get a respawn, pull an extra group, or get a bad combination, e.g. more than one tanky mob in Sharandar that can't be quickly burst down. As for the Cloud Giants in Spinward...
The bottom line is that it's too difficult for regular solo content and daily quests. You should be able to turn your brain off and quickly breeze through this stuff in normal green gear, let alone blue. Anything harder should be saved for group content, or perhaps selected solo content for those who want more challenge with appropriate rewards.
Boredom and/or frustration aren't good for the 'meat and potatoes' of the game.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
I find it a almost complete meaningless change and pointless..
I can get multiple artifacts, pass along some r7/8s have several good comps, have some lessers enchant weapon armours.. blah blah blah.. its not fully twinked.. but its like 2-300% better then anything new players will have.
Whatever, Im not going to argue it anymore. Its not a good change, because it just makes the game a tad more boring for many and a little harder on new players. It doesn't help them. so blah to it all. To most of us.. we will fight a tad longer and be done with it.
um yeah.. I'll comment in 3 months from now, when my tanky cleric has fnially managed to solo a mob and I can acuratly give my input on the subject...
But seriously..? how are none-DPS classes expected to solo content now?
From campfire to campfire, slowly, methodically, and you'll probably need a good companion to complement your play style with a lot of threat generation. Keep mobile... concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer... wait, never mind.
andorrabellMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 437Arc User
edited June 2015
Wrong fix. Will make the game sloggier from level 61-70 and does nothing to fix the excessive HP and damage of level 71-73 mobs. Were people seriously being one-shotted at level 40? What are you guys DOING????? Please fix the level 70 campaign areas to be playable by new level 70s. Especially WoD and IWD- too much damage, WAY too many HP.
I doubt the 2 are related. They promised improvement on the 61-73 a week after this rework was launched, and so far they haven't done anything. This is just to bring the entire game up to the same difficulty level. Not that it does so, but I expect that to be their line of thought.
Yeah, I was just being sarcastic. I feel for those players that need to level DCs, GFs, and OPs, its going to be a bit grindy for them. I wonder if Cryptic is planning on making and selling "boost to level 60" tokens or something?
Well, let's see how this will turn out when patch goes live. They just made the play time of their playerbase x1.5 longer. Cryptic knows how to keep their player base grinding / playing longer, thats for sure.
I shouldn't have to explain this. Monsters will require MORE DPS to kill.
Think of it this way. If the DEVs left the HP at the SAME level it is now, but nerfed our damage 33%. We would take the same amount of time to kill the same enemy.
This is an indirect across the board 33% damage nerf for EVERYONE in PVE. No question.
In addition as Magenubbie stated, enemies have more time to kill us. Sure. Hit us while we're down. Both metaphorically and literally.
*Shakes Head*
The only ones not affected are PVP players and Dungeon Bosses.
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What's with people who put their Ilvl in their Signatures? They probably have a big gold chain and saggy pants too.
That's not a damage nerf, though. Also how can it be 33% if all classes and their paragon paths deal a different amount of damage? This doesn't make sense, sorry.
Oh don't get me wrong, i agree with it being a buff to the mobs. But they also deal 25% less damage which is 1/4, so we should have enough time to finish them off before they finish us off. This is actually quite nice for us conqueror guardians, because we can take more hits in order to get reckless attacker stacks up. And since our damage remains the same, things should be pretty smooth now. It always bothered me, that when my guard meter was down i could not build RE stacks anymore, due to the mobs hitting me too hard. And not being able to build up rampaging madness (is the skill even called like that) stacks, due to the mobs being dead before the counter hit 50.
25% less damage also means we can survive longer, which results in us having more time to deal damage and since plenty of skills aswell as boons are stack based, our damage output should be higher. This results in us killing at almost the same speed, while taking way less damage. In the end, this seems to be more of a quality of life - improvement.
I still have no clue if the lvl 70-73 mobs are even affected by this change. I cannot log in, yet.
That's not a damage nerf, though. Also how can it be 33% if all classes and their paragon paths deal a different amount of damage? This doesn't make sense, sorry.
The latest patch reduces enemies outgoing damage by 25% and increases their HP by 50%. Do the math. Everyone gets a 33% damage nerf.
Current (Pre patch):
Monster has 30000 HP
You hit for 3000 HP
You require 10 hits to kill enemy
After patch:
Monster has 45000 HP
you hit for 3000 HP
You require 15 hits to kill enemy
With a 33% damage nerf and NO change to enemies HP:
Monster has 30000 HP
You hit for 2000HP
You now require 15 hits to kill enemy
There you have it. Even a preschooler could understand. The damage per hit varies for every character. But the math NEVER LIES.
The amount of damage you do per hit doesn't matter. Increase it to 15000 per hit or reduce it to 300 per hit and run the math. Whether you are a tank, healer or DPS. The end result is the same:
(A) Monsters have 50% more HP
or
(B) Players have 33% less damage
What's with people who put their Ilvl in their Signatures? They probably have a big gold chain and saggy pants too.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Seriously.. can anyone sit here and say, WE SHOULD have to level longer, as a prime reason or feedback anyone has ever given?
Even as fractured as playerbases are I cannot remember one POST.. one asking for longer leveling. In fact its directly contrary to what we posted.. that the process from 61-70 was boring as heck.
Yes.. there have been many complaints about how hard lvl 73 mobs hit, expecially in IWD and WoD (two campaign areas) that make no sense to anyone (just drop them to 72..) fixed everything.. not what they did though.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Well, let's see how this will turn out when patch goes live. They just made the play time of their playerbase x1.5 longer. Cryptic knows how to keep their player base grinding / playing longer, thats for sure.
I still wonder if they are truly trying to drive everyone from the game some days or not.. Im sure they will give us 2-3 days of something super keen and fancy.. so some people forget about it for awhile.
Im still pissed at the Cward binding on lockboxes =P.. Lets go cryptic gauntlets down.
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Not just that but now more CW's might have to start freezing things.
I will try to run a few Epic DDs to see if it helps me.
Maybe even a mini Dungeon in the "Well"
Urlord
I bought all new schmexy level 60 blue gear for my new level 60 character... then when he hit 70, I bought all new level schmexy level 70 gear for him. Total cost for full sets of armor = under 10k AD... and every piece had "...of Piercing" in the name... and most of of also included the word "Cruel..."
That *almost* leveled the playing field for that character.
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
Probably depends on the class you play and your build.
My CW is in similar gear, and she can kill a group of mobs in the last area of Spinward or in Sharandar without too much difficulty. It's easy to die though if you get a respawn, pull an extra group, or get a bad combination, e.g. more than one tanky mob in Sharandar that can't be quickly burst down. As for the Cloud Giants in Spinward...
The bottom line is that it's too difficult for regular solo content and daily quests. You should be able to turn your brain off and quickly breeze through this stuff in normal green gear, let alone blue. Anything harder should be saved for group content, or perhaps selected solo content for those who want more challenge with appropriate rewards.
Boredom and/or frustration aren't good for the 'meat and potatoes' of the game.
I can get multiple artifacts, pass along some r7/8s have several good comps, have some lessers enchant weapon armours.. blah blah blah.. its not fully twinked.. but its like 2-300% better then anything new players will have.
Whatever, Im not going to argue it anymore. Its not a good change, because it just makes the game a tad more boring for many and a little harder on new players. It doesn't help them. so blah to it all. To most of us.. we will fight a tad longer and be done with it.
But seriously..? how are none-DPS classes expected to solo content now?
From campfire to campfire, slowly, methodically, and you'll probably need a good companion to complement your play style with a lot of threat generation. Keep mobile... concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer... wait, never mind.
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Yeah, I was just being sarcastic. I feel for those players that need to level DCs, GFs, and OPs, its going to be a bit grindy for them. I wonder if Cryptic is planning on making and selling "boost to level 60" tokens or something?
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This is a 33% Damage nerf to EVERYONE. (Except for PVP)
Think of it this way. If the DEVs left the HP at the SAME level it is now, but nerfed our damage 33%. We would take the same amount of time to kill the same enemy.
This is an indirect across the board 33% damage nerf for EVERYONE in PVE. No question.
In addition as Magenubbie stated, enemies have more time to kill us. Sure. Hit us while we're down. Both metaphorically and literally.
*Shakes Head*
The only ones not affected are PVP players and Dungeon Bosses.
<EDIT: Insults are not necessary to make your point. Refrain from their use.>
25% less damage also means we can survive longer, which results in us having more time to deal damage and since plenty of skills aswell as boons are stack based, our damage output should be higher. This results in us killing at almost the same speed, while taking way less damage. In the end, this seems to be more of a quality of life - improvement.
I still have no clue if the lvl 70-73 mobs are even affected by this change. I cannot log in, yet.
The latest patch reduces enemies outgoing damage by 25% and increases their HP by 50%. Do the math. Everyone gets a 33% damage nerf.
Current (Pre patch):
Monster has 30000 HP
You hit for 3000 HP
You require 10 hits to kill enemy
After patch:
Monster has 45000 HP
you hit for 3000 HP
You require 15 hits to kill enemy
With a 33% damage nerf and NO change to enemies HP:
Monster has 30000 HP
You hit for 2000HP
You now require 15 hits to kill enemy
There you have it. Even a preschooler could understand. The damage per hit varies for every character. But the math NEVER LIES.
The amount of damage you do per hit doesn't matter. Increase it to 15000 per hit or reduce it to 300 per hit and run the math. Whether you are a tank, healer or DPS. The end result is the same:
(A) Monsters have 50% more HP
or
(B) Players have 33% less damage
It doesn't really matter. Because:
A=B
Monster's 25% damage reduction < Players 33% damage reduction
The math says the game just got harder.
Even as fractured as playerbases are I cannot remember one POST.. one asking for longer leveling. In fact its directly contrary to what we posted.. that the process from 61-70 was boring as heck.
Yes.. there have been many complaints about how hard lvl 73 mobs hit, expecially in IWD and WoD (two campaign areas) that make no sense to anyone (just drop them to 72..) fixed everything.. not what they did though.
I still wonder if they are truly trying to drive everyone from the game some days or not.. Im sure they will give us 2-3 days of something super keen and fancy.. so some people forget about it for awhile.
Im still pissed at the Cward binding on lockboxes =P.. Lets go cryptic gauntlets down.