so then by your logic gf shold never be dps dc should never be dps
cw are not tanks the can take 2-3 hits before they die if a cw has shield on tab that removes 25% of there dps its a chise they must chose surviabily or dps
These CW haters are just too narrow-minded. They evidently must think every character ought to have maybe 1 or 2 encounters total that they just repeat over and over because they should only do one thing.
so then by your logic gf shold never be dps dc should never be dps
cw are not tanks the can take 2-3 hits before they die if a cw has shield on tab that removes 25% of there dps its a chise they must chose surviabily or dps
Yes, in my logic that's in fact correct. DC's shouldn't dps, GF's shouldn't dps, that's how I view things. Doesn't mean they're not able to. But hey, let me tell you something. A GWF has to go Sentinel to go tank, and as a result will lose nearly all DPS (as for mod 6.) I will also tell you something else, Conq GF's, if not geared or expe'd, can't tank as well as Protectors.
But hey, CW? lol. Thaum will do around 15% more dps than a Renegade. Renegade will have more buffs and heals, more crit and.............. yep, that's it. Both still get to use Shield, none give up any major dang encounters or actual dps that matters (ZOMG THAUM DID 100M IN CN AND RENEGADE DID 90M). Boo. Hoo. Changing specs must hurt.
so now we are haters because we want balance? for me it just simply seems you guys ran out of arguments and cannot make 1 single valid point the class need a great tonedown and thats the fact now if you cant find any valid point or post something constructive please do not post at all.
atm from what i ve noticed you CWs doesnt have even base knowledge about your own class.
You don't want "balance", you want to place classes into straitjackets.
These CW haters are just too narrow-minded. They evidently must think every character ought to have maybe 1 or 2 encounters total that they just repeat over and over because they should only do one thing.
Oh dang. What's conduit on tab, terrain, steal time and sudden storm if not a 3 button repeatable routine you just spam? I must be lost. I would never know eh? Never played a cw, eh?
so there we go ur class have it all so stop talking nonsense.
Trust me. You don't want them to nerf the CWs ability to do a little of everything. Because then they would have to boost our control ALOT to make up for it and that would make the game very very boring for everyone else.
Being controlled is the most boring part of this game and giving CW that much control, were u cant do anything except just sit there and stare at the monitor while being controlled, well that's not fun at all.
ok let me explain to you
you are primary CC class i dont see a problem boosting ur CC at cost of the ridiculous of other things ur class do
You will see the problem when you get frozen or stunned etc for several seconds in a row by one CW. Because the one second(ish) entangle would have to get a big buff to make up for all the damage etc we lose so just imagine how it would be to play when you just from entangle cant do anything for 4-5 seconds every 12 seconds. And that's just one control encounter. And if you run into two CWs, well.. That would be perma-controlled. Trust me, it will make the game very boring.
Edit: I remember when they added shatter strike, they had to nerf that **** to 1 second because people where complaining about perma-frozen and they had to add immunity from it after being frozen.
and you want balance where? pvp or pve
there is a diffarance pvp does need balace
but pve balance means cw sw hr dc and even gf doing aoe dps tr gwf hr doing boss dps in this respect they are fulilling there rol corectly
if you want pvp balance that is a myth pv depends on to manny factors
1 player skill
2 gears surieorty
3 knowlage of other classes
i 1 person has all that he is unbalanced copaired to you
Trust me. You don't want them to nerf the CWs ability to do a little of everything. Because then they would have to boost our control ALOT to make up for it and that would make the game very very boring for everyone else.
Being controlled is the most boring part of this game and giving CW that much control, were u cant do anything except just sit there and stare at the monitor while being controlled, well that's not fun at all.
Don't get us wrong, control is GOOD. Control is morrrrre than needed and I would rather perma CC than any other <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. But it shouldn't be control/buff/heal/tank/every****ingthing in this game ever, it should be narrowed to 3 options.
1. UBER control (oppressor)
2. UBER DPS (thaum)
3. UBER support (renegade)
none of these trees should do ALL of them like they do now. Support should give up their DPS more signifanctly in favor of buffs. Control as well. DPS should have far less control, and etc. We ALL have to give up **** when speccing differently. A Senti GWF can't dps. A Destro GWF can't tank, A Insti GWF can't really single target OR tank. Balance, balance, balance.
and you want balance where? pvp or pve
there is a diffarance pvp does need balace
but pve balance means cw sw hr dc and even gf doing aoe dps tr gwf hr doing boss dps in this respect they are fulilling there rol corectly
if you want pvp balance that is a myth pv depends on to manny factors
1 player skill
2 gears surieorty
3 knowlage of other classes
i 1 person has all that he is unbalanced copaired to you
Are you serious..? In all honesty, it is not that high of a damage, compared to our single target dps/burst.
cws do not have it all they must decide what they want to do
buff
dps
control
these are there primary paths they must chose witch one they want to focus on
yes they can control and dps but not as efective as if they chose to dps or control
But it shouldn't be control/buff/heal/tank/every****ingthing in this game ever
No CW can do all of those things simultaneously.
Only Renegades can heal, and Renegades have far less control than Oppressors.
Tanky CW with Shield loses a lot of DPS compared to DPS CW without Shield.
Why does this discussion remind me of all of the anti-TR whining that went on during the beginning of mod5 when PVP whiners would come to the forums claiming that some TR who had all paragon paths simultaneously was one-shotting, stunning and dazing them all the same time?
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These CW haters are just too narrow-minded. They evidently must think every character ought to have maybe 1 or 2 encounters total that they just repeat over and over because they should only do one thing.
Yes, in my logic that's in fact correct. DC's shouldn't dps, GF's shouldn't dps, that's how I view things. Doesn't mean they're not able to. But hey, let me tell you something. A GWF has to go Sentinel to go tank, and as a result will lose nearly all DPS (as for mod 6.) I will also tell you something else, Conq GF's, if not geared or expe'd, can't tank as well as Protectors.
But hey, CW? lol. Thaum will do around 15% more dps than a Renegade. Renegade will have more buffs and heals, more crit and.............. yep, that's it. Both still get to use Shield, none give up any major dang encounters or actual dps that matters (ZOMG THAUM DID 100M IN CN AND RENEGADE DID 90M). Boo. Hoo. Changing specs must hurt.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
You don't want "balance", you want to place classes into straitjackets.
Oh dang. What's conduit on tab, terrain, steal time and sudden storm if not a 3 button repeatable routine you just spam? I must be lost. I would never know eh? Never played a cw, eh?
Think you're missing "Death is the best CC!"
Things are TOO broaden. Face the facts, it needs narrowing. ASAP.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
Trust me. You don't want them to nerf the CWs ability to do a little of everything. Because then they would have to boost our control ALOT to make up for it and that would make the game very very boring for everyone else.
Being controlled is the most boring part of this game and giving CW that much control, were u cant do anything except just sit there and stare at the monitor while being controlled, well that's not fun at all.
You will see the problem when you get frozen or stunned etc for several seconds in a row by one CW. Because the one second(ish) entangle would have to get a big buff to make up for all the damage etc we lose so just imagine how it would be to play when you just from entangle cant do anything for 4-5 seconds every 12 seconds. And that's just one control encounter. And if you run into two CWs, well.. That would be perma-controlled. Trust me, it will make the game very boring.
Edit: I remember when they added shatter strike, they had to nerf that **** to 1 second because people where complaining about perma-frozen and they had to add immunity from it after being frozen.
there is a diffarance pvp does need balace
but pve balance means cw sw hr dc and even gf doing aoe dps tr gwf hr doing boss dps in this respect they are fulilling there rol corectly
if you want pvp balance that is a myth pv depends on to manny factors
1 player skill
2 gears surieorty
3 knowlage of other classes
i 1 person has all that he is unbalanced copaired to you
Don't get us wrong, control is GOOD. Control is morrrrre than needed and I would rather perma CC than any other <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. But it shouldn't be control/buff/heal/tank/every****ingthing in this game ever, it should be narrowed to 3 options.
1. UBER control (oppressor)
2. UBER DPS (thaum)
3. UBER support (renegade)
none of these trees should do ALL of them like they do now. Support should give up their DPS more signifanctly in favor of buffs. Control as well. DPS should have far less control, and etc. We ALL have to give up **** when speccing differently. A Senti GWF can't dps. A Destro GWF can't tank, A Insti GWF can't really single target OR tank. Balance, balance, balance.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
every class has ability that other classes dont what do you want 7 diffarant trs you want every class to have the same abiltys
Many the classes have control, some even more than CW. Like the TR dazez. HR roots, GF prones. ETC.
Are you serious..? In all honesty, it is not that high of a damage, compared to our single target dps/burst.
hes just a hater hating the cws instead of trying to bring other classes up he just want to tear the cw down
i know its verry little dps but i did put it in there
Point taken, i edited my former post. (it sounded a bit rude.)
CW should be played the way teribad thinks it should be played, and anyone who disagrees is stupid and doesn't understand the game.
buff
dps
control
these are there primary paths they must chose witch one they want to focus on
yes they can control and dps but not as efective as if they chose to dps or control
No CW can do all of those things simultaneously.
Only Renegades can heal, and Renegades have far less control than Oppressors.
Tanky CW with Shield loses a lot of DPS compared to DPS CW without Shield.
Why does this discussion remind me of all of the anti-TR whining that went on during the beginning of mod5 when PVP whiners would come to the forums claiming that some TR who had all paragon paths simultaneously was one-shotting, stunning and dazing them all the same time?
Your "questions" are passive-aggressive temper tantrums.