With 25 CHA and feated Chilling Presence (Chilling Advantage for +10% crit chance) you can have 25% crit chance WITHOUT building crit at all. DA BALANCE
Yeah, crazy what a class can do when a player utilizes all the synergies across stats and skills...:rolleyes:
With 25 CHA and feated Chilling Presence (Chilling Advantage for +10% crit chance) you can have 25% crit chance WITHOUT building crit at all. DA BALANCE
WAAAAAHHHHHH, i have 47 percent crit chance with all my stats and that is with 21 CHA, plus 10k+ power, i can kill entire dungeons with my at wills, what is your point? None of this happened over night i have every boon possible. I play to do as much damage as i can, hell you want to take away Chaos Magic go for it. Take SS also, take everything you want. Is that going to make you a better player? NO IT WONT. I will still make whatever class i play work better because that is what hard work and UNDERSTANDING YOUR CLASS will do for you, read your feats, look at your pets, i see so many people running around with a Young Yeti summoned and laugh, hell the ACT posting earlier shows poison damage, that means one of the equipped pets is a stupid *** spider procing 3% of the time. Oh yeah it has to be my fault for choosing pets that actually contribute to my damage and control, forgive me for knowing how to read and setup a class.
Yeah, crazy what a class can do when a player utilizes all the synergies across stats and skills...:rolleyes:
This quote is analogous to "Crazy i'm rich when I utilized all of my social network and my family fortune thougthfully." Like, true, it still takes skill but the other classes simply don't have many such options. And those there get nerfed ,like Creeping Death to SW.
Once again, I'd understand if only TT got nerfed. I'd still be pissed but I'd on some level see the reasoning behind the decision, and with corresponding boosts to other skills to not make the class a PvE one-trick pony, would even welcome it.
Nerfing the fury capstone and ****ing up Temptation capstone is just painfully misguided.
What's next, will I get my soul puppet cut to 12k HP and inherently hold higher aggro because someone somewhere will think Damnation doesn't suck enough?
This quote is analogous to "Crazy i'm rich when I utilized all of my social network and my family fortune thougthfully." Like, true, it still takes skill but the other classes simply don't have many such options. And those there get nerfed ,like Creeping Death to SW.
Once again, I'd understand if only TT got nerfed. I'd still be pissed but I'd on some level see the reasoning behind the decision, and with corresponding boosts to other skills to not make the class a PvE one-trick pony, would even welcome it.
Nerfing the fury capstone and ****ing up Temptation capstone is just painfully misguided.
What's next, will I get my soul puppet cut to 12k HP and inherently hold higher aggro because someone somewhere will think Damnation doesn't suck enough?
What's wrong with temptation capstone? I have seen it around I think the wording is unclear.
It works exactly like before except you heal 100% LS now and you have 30% effetiveness on AoE. otherwise it works the same.
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
What's wrong with temptation capstone? I have seen it around I think the wording is unclear.
It works exactly like before except you heal 100% LS now and you have 30% effetiveness on AoE. otherwise it works the same.
Does it? From what I recall, they changed it from your damage to individual damage which screwed over GFs and everyone who needed HP the most. But, might have been fixed since or I just read someone mistaken.
ROFLMAO!!!!!! Just for asking, do you know that on PvP, companions are not used unless you are on IWD, right?
ROFLMAO!!!!!! You do know i don't give two ****s about PVP right, this proves my point on this conversation. This conversation is always about PVP. Screw PVP and the HAMSTER 50% mount it rode in on.
Zeb and co love their CWs too much to persuade the Devs. Yes you old men are killing our beloved game!
Spellstorm, Abyss and all this proc damage needs to vanish immidiately. I own a CW for a long time now and it just felt "cheap and wrong" to play Spellstorm. I switched to MoF Renegade , just to see now that this tree also got buffed into the sky.
In the meantime my GWFs polishes his Vorpal while doing leadership and my GF -which you were going to make "more wanted"-will have the same fate in next mod... You don't understand your own game (see the dev post feedback thread)!
Yes, this post isn't constructive at all, but why would I care. Those mods would see any "contra CW post" unconstructive anyways...
Zeb and co love their CWs too much to persuade the Devs. Yes you old men are killing our beloved game!
Spellstorm, Abyss and all this proc damage needs to vanish immidiately. I own a CW for a long time now and it just felt "cheap and wrong" to play Spellstorm. I switched to MoF Renegade , just to see now that this tree also got buffed into the sky.
In the meantime my GWFs polishes his Vorpal while doing leadership and my GF -which you were going to make "more wanted"-will have the same fate in next mod... You don't understand your own game (see the dev post feedback thread)!
Yes, this post isn't constructive at all, but why would I care. Those mods would see any "contra CW post" unconstructive anyways...
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keep CWs as they are as long as you boost GWF and especially SW to usefulness.
I'm not into ruining everyone's fun, just others laughing while mine gets.
WAAAAAHHHHHH, i have 47 percent crit chance with all my stats and that is with 21 CHA, plus 10k+ power, i can kill entire dungeons with my at wills, what is your point? None of this happened over night i have every boon possible. I play to do as much damage as i can, hell you want to take away Chaos Magic go for it. Take SS also, take everything you want. Is that going to make you a better player? NO IT WONT. I will still make whatever class i play work better because that is what hard work and UNDERSTANDING YOUR CLASS will do for you, read your feats, look at your pets, i see so many people running around with a Young Yeti summoned and laugh, hell the ACT posting earlier shows poison damage, that means one of the equipped pets is a stupid *** spider procing 3% of the time. Oh yeah it has to be my fault for choosing pets that actually contribute to my damage and control, forgive me for knowing how to read and setup a class.
I LOVE THIS GUY. you told exactly what i aways wanted to say but couldnt cuz english is no my first language. THX!! SOMEONE BRING A OSCAR TO THIS GUY
I LOVE THIS GUY. you told exactly what i aways wanted to say but couldnt cuz english is no my first language. THX!! SOMEONE BRING A OSCAR TO THIS GUY
You mean an oscar for playing an arrogant rich dude? Again analogy stands. "Bwaah, I didn't build my industrial empire overnight, I started with a few hundred thousand and a few good contacts I leveraged, you shouldn't whinge but learn how to invest what you have and make business big." when the complainer's money barely covers "investing" into a pack of ramen every lunch and dinner. It's easy to optimize when you got features for it, but hard to scrounge up when you don't.
And... I really don't see your point, unless you're making fun of the fact that zebular creates his characters from a story/lore point of view rather than effectiveness, which is downright rude because that's perfectly valid, not to mention stupid because you're making fun of the guy that moderates these forums...
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keep CWs as they are as long as you boost GWF and especially SW to usefulness.
I'm not into ruining everyone's fun, just others laughing while mine gets.
I posted earlier in the thread that they nerfed my GWF into the ground, i would love to play her again. I absolutely would love to be singing up mobs for a GWF again, although i would be the GWF in this case if it wasn't horrible.
You mean an oscar for playing an arrogant rich dude? Again analogy stands. "Bwaah, I didn't build my industrial empire overnight, I started with a few hundred thousand and a few good contacts I leveraged, you shouldn't whinge but learn how to invest what you have and make business big." when the complainer's money barely covers "investing" into a pack of ramen every lunch and dinner. It's easy to optimize when you got features for it, but hard to scrounge up when you don't.
Your jealousy is coming through, i am nowhere near rich, i earned everything i have through running many dungeons runs and smart trading along with some good luck occasionally. You rolled an SW and now the MC set is going away, TT gets nerfed because of that set, dont blame me, point your fingers where they should be pointed.
Your jealousy is coming through, i am nowhere near rich, i earned everything i have through running many dungeons runs and smart trading along with some good luck occasionally. You rolled an SW and now the MC set is going away, TT gets nerfed because of that set, dont blame me, point your fingers where they should be pointed.
I am a SW, BIS one. But before that I was playing my PvE TR since m1 till m5 and already had everything BiS at that moment and even more investments which I transfered to my SW. I'd enjoy watching you trying hard on pre-buffs TR after you've been playing on your easy mode. Seriously, I'd give a lot to see that. How people take you with them out pity or how you manage to get into one party and somebody starts pointing at you just for being a fool that plays TR. That is the reason I once rolled a DC and this is also the reason why I will never support for your "secondary DPS" class of overlords. "Your majesty?"
And most SWs did acknowledge that 2.3m ticks from TT is not OK, as well as Opressing Force dealing 3m damage alone too. Something is broken in CA formulas and the damage just skyrockets if you add some good DR debuffs over it. And instead of fixing, they just nerfed it so even if it skyrockets, it won't do such ridiculous damage any more For SWs.
Yet, I don't mean you haven't tried at all. You just did this cheaper then the rest would. Hell, I know lots of people that have their CWs just for PvE farming while maining something else. And they don't play their mains as often as their farming bots CWs just because CW is so much better.
And I am not just concerned about GWFs/SWs over here. The rest classes too, except for DPS DCs maybe which are plain ridiculous
Your jealousy is coming through, i am nowhere near rich, i earned everything i have through running many dungeons runs and smart trading along with some good luck occasionally. You rolled an SW and now the MC set is going away, TT gets nerfed because of that set, dont blame me, point your fingers where they should be pointed.
His analogy meant that SW doesn't have as many optimization options as CW.
Half the damnation is broken/bugged
Fury has been nerfed really hard
Temptation is ok-ish but it was nerfed (you had 125% LS before, now you have 100% of your LS chance and 30% on AoE)
Hellbringer simply does not survive well enough for the new content. TT was nerfed
I think he simply wants SW to have more options
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
His analogy meant that SW doesn't have as many optimization options as CW.
Half the damnation is broken/bugged
Fury has been nerfed really hard
Temptation is ok-ish but it was nerfed (you had 125% LS before, now you have 100% of your LS chance and 30% on AoE)
Hellbringer simply does not survive well enough for the new content. TT was nerfed
I think he simply wants SW to have more options
no class except CW has strong synergy in feats.
the only one maybe can be trapper hrs but their damage is not even remotely comparable to cws.
His analogy meant that SW doesn't have as many optimization options as CW.
Half the damnation is broken/bugged
Fury has been nerfed really hard
Temptation is ok-ish but it was nerfed (you had 125% LS before, now you have 100% of your LS chance and 30% on AoE)
Hellbringer simply does not survive well enough for the new content. TT was nerfed
I think he simply wants SW to have more options
So stop asking to make us suck as bad as everyone else, ask for your class to not suck. I cant express it any simpler. I have been there as stated many times, I ran a GWF up until they nerfed it into the ground(because OMG this GWF keeps killing me in PVP), so i made a CW, spent a bunch of AD on it and then got nerfed again(because OMG this CW keeps killing me in PVP), then i made a SW, spent a bunch of AD on it and came back to my CW because i saw the nerf coming(because OMG TT is OP. Do you see where this is heading? It sucks but the CW players shouldn't be where you point your fingers. We didn't ask for any of this, PVPers did, and i can guarantee you that most would rather have our pre mod 4 enounter powers back. So what now i Main a DC and then OMG the DC can heal more, buff more, dps more than anyone else you guys should nerf it.
I am a SW, BIS one. But before that I was playing my PvE TR since m1 till m5 and already had everything BiS at that moment and even more investments which I transfered to my SW. I'd enjoy watching you trying hard on pre-buffs TR after you've been playing on your easy mode. Seriously, I'd give a lot to see that. How people take you with them out pity or how you manage to get into one party and somebody starts pointing at you just for being a fool that plays TR. That is the reason I once rolled a DC and this is also the reason why I will never support for your "secondary DPS" class of overlords. "Your majesty?"
And most SWs did acknowledge that 2.3m ticks from TT is not OK, as well as Opressing Force dealing 3m damage alone too. Something is broken in CA formulas and the damage just skyrockets if you add some good DR debuffs over it. And instead of fixing, they just nerfed it so even if it skyrockets, it won't do such ridiculous damage any more For SWs.
Yet, I don't mean you haven't tried at all. You just did this cheaper then the rest would. Hell, I know lots of people that have their CWs just for PvE farming while maining something else. And they don't play their mains as often as their farming bots CWs just because CW is so much better.
And I am not just concerned about GWFs/SWs over here. The rest classes too, except for DPS DCs maybe which are plain ridiculous
Yes you guys got screwed for quite a while, and now you are one of the highest DPS classes, shouldn't that be what you are asking of your SWs/GWFs/GFs instead of hey lets screw over X class, in this case the CW, in next mod the GWF all over again?
Once again waaaahhhhh, i have a buddy that is one of the best HRs in this game, dont tell me what they can and cant do. Learn to play your toon.
YESS! i have seen alot of HR outdamaging some CW.BUT what you guys dont understand is that CW are the most easy class to play and others have some skills needed, and since not everyone have this skills u cant perform your class efficiently and ask to nerf others. cheers
no class except CW has strong synergy in feats.
the only one maybe can be trapper hrs but their damage is not even remotely comparable to cws.
This is because the CW community spends almost all of their time working with the devs and providing feedback to help make THEIR class better, instead of wasting time posting "nerf X class" threads or complaining about PvP balance.
Think of it this way...in the last 3-4 days there's been a total of over 60 pages between three threads asking to NERF CWs. Yet the feedback thread on the SW (a great place to get BUFFS for your class) is on page 23 after 2 months. If people felt as passionate about getting their class BUFFED as they did seeing other classes nerfed, you'd start to see the same synergy come across in feats and powers as you do in the CW.
The CW class has been coming together nicely over the last three modules because we as a CW community have been open and responsive to the changes that the Developers have proposed, including a bunch of nerfs that have been put out. Or are you forgetting all the "CW is dead" posts and threads that came up with the SW was being introduced? Did you forget all the posts and threads about the CW being "nerfed into uselessness" when the Mod 4 changes were first announced?
But the CW community took the changes in stride, worked within the limits set by the developers and helped create a class that DOES have awesome synergy between their feats and powers, and allows for a variety of very successful builds. And we're going to be even better in Module 6 because the changes involving our class, our new feats and powers, changes to lifesteal and the increased in content difficulty is going to force players to adapt, and out of this adaption I'm seeing no less than three, maybe four new build (utilizing ALL the paragon feat trees and paths) coming to life.
So the CW community should be an example to some of these other classes, where threads are filled with fighting, PvP epeen jousting, calls for nerfing other classes, or just opinions with no quantitative feedback. You get out what you put in. If your class community is putting garbage feedback up to the devs, you're going to get get garbage results back.
And even to that point, if the Devs want something nerfed, then it's going to get nerfed in some shape or form. Don't keep complaining about it...instead look for other avenues to improve what's not working, broken or lackluster. You do that enough times and you'll find you have a really robust class that's a lot of fun to play.
But ultimately, these threads don't bother me. One, because all the devs seem is bickering and pettiness. There's been maybe a dozen or so posts between those 60 pages that has actually been useful. And even if they do nerf Storm Spell or Shield, or whatever, the CW community is super sharp. In less than a month, a whole host of new builds and theories will pop up, and the CW class is going to be fine.
tl;dr If you want YOUR class to be better fight passionately to get your class BUFFED, not another class NERFED
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Yeah, crazy what a class can do when a player utilizes all the synergies across stats and skills...:rolleyes:
WAAAAAHHHHHH, i have 47 percent crit chance with all my stats and that is with 21 CHA, plus 10k+ power, i can kill entire dungeons with my at wills, what is your point? None of this happened over night i have every boon possible. I play to do as much damage as i can, hell you want to take away Chaos Magic go for it. Take SS also, take everything you want. Is that going to make you a better player? NO IT WONT. I will still make whatever class i play work better because that is what hard work and UNDERSTANDING YOUR CLASS will do for you, read your feats, look at your pets, i see so many people running around with a Young Yeti summoned and laugh, hell the ACT posting earlier shows poison damage, that means one of the equipped pets is a stupid *** spider procing 3% of the time. Oh yeah it has to be my fault for choosing pets that actually contribute to my damage and control, forgive me for knowing how to read and setup a class.
This quote is analogous to "Crazy i'm rich when I utilized all of my social network and my family fortune thougthfully." Like, true, it still takes skill but the other classes simply don't have many such options. And those there get nerfed ,like Creeping Death to SW.
Once again, I'd understand if only TT got nerfed. I'd still be pissed but I'd on some level see the reasoning behind the decision, and with corresponding boosts to other skills to not make the class a PvE one-trick pony, would even welcome it.
Nerfing the fury capstone and ****ing up Temptation capstone is just painfully misguided.
What's next, will I get my soul puppet cut to 12k HP and inherently hold higher aggro because someone somewhere will think Damnation doesn't suck enough?
What's wrong with temptation capstone? I have seen it around I think the wording is unclear.
It works exactly like before except you heal 100% LS now and you have 30% effetiveness on AoE. otherwise it works the same.
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
More threads by me / Click on it
My Support Warlock/Temptation Thread
Does it? From what I recall, they changed it from your damage to individual damage which screwed over GFs and everyone who needed HP the most. But, might have been fixed since or I just read someone mistaken.
ROFLMAO!!!!!! You do know i don't give two ****s about PVP right, this proves my point on this conversation. This conversation is always about PVP. Screw PVP and the HAMSTER 50% mount it rode in on.
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Haaaaaa HAAAAAAAAA MF HAA That was perfect. Yes that is exactly what this is. F#$K TRs
Spellstorm, Abyss and all this proc damage needs to vanish immidiately. I own a CW for a long time now and it just felt "cheap and wrong" to play Spellstorm. I switched to MoF Renegade , just to see now that this tree also got buffed into the sky.
In the meantime my GWFs polishes his Vorpal while doing leadership and my GF -which you were going to make "more wanted"-will have the same fate in next mod... You don't understand your own game (see the dev post feedback thread)!
Yes, this post isn't constructive at all, but why would I care. Those mods would see any "contra CW post" unconstructive anyways...
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keep CWs as they are as long as you boost GWF and especially SW to usefulness.
I'm not into ruining everyone's fun, just others laughing while mine gets.
I LOVE THIS GUY. you told exactly what i aways wanted to say but couldnt cuz english is no my first language. THX!! SOMEONE BRING A OSCAR TO THIS GUY
You mean an oscar for playing an arrogant rich dude? Again analogy stands. "Bwaah, I didn't build my industrial empire overnight, I started with a few hundred thousand and a few good contacts I leveraged, you shouldn't whinge but learn how to invest what you have and make business big." when the complainer's money barely covers "investing" into a pack of ramen every lunch and dinner. It's easy to optimize when you got features for it, but hard to scrounge up when you don't.
zeb uses maelsotrom lmao
And... I really don't see your point, unless you're making fun of the fact that zebular creates his characters from a story/lore point of view rather than effectiveness, which is downright rude because that's perfectly valid, not to mention stupid because you're making fun of the guy that moderates these forums...
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I posted earlier in the thread that they nerfed my GWF into the ground, i would love to play her again. I absolutely would love to be singing up mobs for a GWF again, although i would be the GWF in this case if it wasn't horrible.
Your jealousy is coming through, i am nowhere near rich, i earned everything i have through running many dungeons runs and smart trading along with some good luck occasionally. You rolled an SW and now the MC set is going away, TT gets nerfed because of that set, dont blame me, point your fingers where they should be pointed.
And most SWs did acknowledge that 2.3m ticks from TT is not OK, as well as Opressing Force dealing 3m damage alone too. Something is broken in CA formulas and the damage just skyrockets if you add some good DR debuffs over it. And instead of fixing, they just nerfed it so even if it skyrockets, it won't do such ridiculous damage any more
Yet, I don't mean you haven't tried at all. You just did this cheaper then the rest would. Hell, I know lots of people that have their CWs just for PvE farming while maining something else. And they don't play their mains as often as their farming bots CWs just because CW is so much better.
And I am not just concerned about GWFs/SWs over here. The rest classes too, except for DPS DCs maybe which are plain ridiculous
WTB Class Reroll please
His analogy meant that SW doesn't have as many optimization options as CW.
Half the damnation is broken/bugged
Fury has been nerfed really hard
Temptation is ok-ish but it was nerfed (you had 125% LS before, now you have 100% of your LS chance and 30% on AoE)
Hellbringer simply does not survive well enough for the new content. TT was nerfed
I think he simply wants SW to have more options
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
More threads by me / Click on it
My Support Warlock/Temptation Thread
no class except CW has strong synergy in feats.
the only one maybe can be trapper hrs but their damage is not even remotely comparable to cws.
So stop asking to make us suck as bad as everyone else, ask for your class to not suck. I cant express it any simpler. I have been there as stated many times, I ran a GWF up until they nerfed it into the ground(because OMG this GWF keeps killing me in PVP), so i made a CW, spent a bunch of AD on it and then got nerfed again(because OMG this CW keeps killing me in PVP), then i made a SW, spent a bunch of AD on it and came back to my CW because i saw the nerf coming(because OMG TT is OP. Do you see where this is heading? It sucks but the CW players shouldn't be where you point your fingers. We didn't ask for any of this, PVPers did, and i can guarantee you that most would rather have our pre mod 4 enounter powers back. So what now i Main a DC and then OMG the DC can heal more, buff more, dps more than anyone else you guys should nerf it.
Come to the dark side rayrdan
Yes you guys got screwed for quite a while, and now you are one of the highest DPS classes, shouldn't that be what you are asking of your SWs/GWFs/GFs instead of hey lets screw over X class, in this case the CW, in next mod the GWF all over again?
Once again waaaahhhhh, i have a buddy that is one of the best HRs in this game, dont tell me what they can and cant do. Learn to play your toon.
yea you know what i have a big buddy cw who want to make some new friends, pm me its handle and let act talk
YESS! i have seen alot of HR outdamaging some CW.BUT what you guys dont understand is that CW are the most easy class to play and others have some skills needed, and since not everyone have this skills u cant perform your class efficiently and ask to nerf others. cheers
WTB Class Reroll please
This is because the CW community spends almost all of their time working with the devs and providing feedback to help make THEIR class better, instead of wasting time posting "nerf X class" threads or complaining about PvP balance.
Think of it this way...in the last 3-4 days there's been a total of over 60 pages between three threads asking to NERF CWs. Yet the feedback thread on the SW (a great place to get BUFFS for your class) is on page 23 after 2 months. If people felt as passionate about getting their class BUFFED as they did seeing other classes nerfed, you'd start to see the same synergy come across in feats and powers as you do in the CW.
The CW class has been coming together nicely over the last three modules because we as a CW community have been open and responsive to the changes that the Developers have proposed, including a bunch of nerfs that have been put out. Or are you forgetting all the "CW is dead" posts and threads that came up with the SW was being introduced? Did you forget all the posts and threads about the CW being "nerfed into uselessness" when the Mod 4 changes were first announced?
But the CW community took the changes in stride, worked within the limits set by the developers and helped create a class that DOES have awesome synergy between their feats and powers, and allows for a variety of very successful builds. And we're going to be even better in Module 6 because the changes involving our class, our new feats and powers, changes to lifesteal and the increased in content difficulty is going to force players to adapt, and out of this adaption I'm seeing no less than three, maybe four new build (utilizing ALL the paragon feat trees and paths) coming to life.
So the CW community should be an example to some of these other classes, where threads are filled with fighting, PvP epeen jousting, calls for nerfing other classes, or just opinions with no quantitative feedback. You get out what you put in. If your class community is putting garbage feedback up to the devs, you're going to get get garbage results back.
And even to that point, if the Devs want something nerfed, then it's going to get nerfed in some shape or form. Don't keep complaining about it...instead look for other avenues to improve what's not working, broken or lackluster. You do that enough times and you'll find you have a really robust class that's a lot of fun to play.
But ultimately, these threads don't bother me. One, because all the devs seem is bickering and pettiness. There's been maybe a dozen or so posts between those 60 pages that has actually been useful. And even if they do nerf Storm Spell or Shield, or whatever, the CW community is super sharp. In less than a month, a whole host of new builds and theories will pop up, and the CW class is going to be fine.
tl;dr If you want YOUR class to be better fight passionately to get your class BUFFED, not another class NERFED