Look, this is really about PVPers attempting to defend their unjustified advantage at having the first crack at the new lvl 70 dungeons and selling its unbound loot for millions before anyone else has even arrived. It's not about leveling, and it's not really about using the new gear for PVP.
Heh I think you have it backwards. Most of the hardcore pvp'ers were whales.. and they left the game because PVP didnt change and we still have 1 style of pvp and 2 maps. Open world is barely done so I don't count it. Maybe they could have prevented 14% layoffs by focusing on pvp more.
PVE in this game is so simple and atrocious. I mean know one needs amazing gear to do it, there is no true raid or world content. HE's are not challenging and when they are it has more to do with the zerg of mobs then actual tactics. Even if the mob you are fighting hits hard, he has 1 attack every 20 seconds.
I'm not sure what the problem is.. If you skipped GG for 4 months, why should I suffer because you don't get to have armor. And its level 70 so you still need to level up to wear it. Not like I am going to compete with your pve'ing anyways and you won't be pvp'ing.
I want equalized and premade PVP. Then casuals wouldn't get roflstomped and true premades from PVP guilds would have something to do for better rewards.
On topic: let PVE players use existing seals to buy new stuff or remove the forced professions with 12 day wait time per task to upgrade it.
Then I'd be totally ok with PVP getting their gear for glory day one.
Heh I think you have it backwards. Most of the hardcore pvp'ers were whales.. and they left the game because PVP didnt change and we still have 1 style of pvp and 2 maps. Open world is barely done so I don't count it. Maybe they could have prevented 14% layoffs by focusing on pvp more.
PVE in this game is so simple and atrocious. I mean know one needs amazing gear to do it, there is no true raid or world content. HE's are not challenging and when they are it has more to do with the zerg of mobs then actual tactics. Even if the mob you are fighting hits hard, he has 1 attack every 20 seconds.
I'm not sure what the problem is.. If you skipped GG for 4 months, why should I suffer because you don't get to have armor. And its level 70 so you still need to level up to wear it. Not like I am going to compete with your pve'ing anyways and you won't be pvp'ing.
Okay they needed those few whales why? Because they ran off to many conumers after icewind fail. A whale is NOTHING stacked against tens of thousands. Unless your whale is spending roughly 300k a week. They don't make up the net loss of 30k casual pve players dropping no more than 10 dollars a week. Those numbers are actually way lower then what they actually lost after driving off the majority. You know what kind of business cares about whales ? Casinos why because the house it already winning and the whale is just the frosting on the cake . No game company ucunless it was originally set up to be as such can survive on their pvp player base. It's to marginal. You want to know what your talking about before saying it. Do your research just like I did go look at the time lines as to when this game started hemorrhaging clients or players or whatever you want to call them. All the way up till the time they wanted to try to force pvp down people's throats they we're healthy solvent and profitable. Icewind fail comes along and its as if Pompeii erupted and the masses fled. I look at numbers statistics facts on paper. I see a problem and I put my finger on it and say there right there that's what's wrong and I would squash the hell out of it.
When are you people going to get it through your thick heads? The free loot you obtain in PvE content will be enough for you to run level 70 content.
If you think this is about a loot chase, you'll have every opportunity to rush to level 70 and beat a PvPer to that loot. By your logic, you should be more concerned with the Inscribed Garment Box. 1500 Zen, 20% bonus experience pants and shirt combo, account wide.
if you think you can run pve lv 70 epics with the blue leveling gear then you dont mind if you have to use your blue leveling gear for pvp also
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
edited March 2015
Request for this to be closed. It has derailed into the same tired debate between the non pvp and the non pve crowd. (stop slamming each other)
It really has nothing to do with preview and is just a basic old gripe.
Look, this is really about PVPers attempting to defend their unjustified advantage at having the first crack at the new lvl 70 dungeons and selling its unbound loot for millions before anyone else has even arrived. It's not about leveling, and it's not really about using the new gear for PVP.
at the time being there is 0 stuffs to drop and sell in new pve.
i would act differently if that was the case.
however no one tells you cant farm glory by doing pvp or gaunt dungeons.
the game is not pve, is not pvp. Is a game with pve and with pvp being the same game. Play the game or do otherwise without complaining.
why you dont see me complain about all the goodies i can only get by pve? because i just recognize the game is not one or another thing. Its both and i am playing it.
oh just to point it out, i m the most f2p out here and regardless the time i enjoy spendind on the forum between works and stuffs i can only play few hours a day.
OMG Why are people so ignorant? Seriously?
You can farm the new pvp-gear with pvp OR pve in advance!
How can someone not comprehend this?
Obtaining the pvp sets early actually HELPS EVERYBODY! You can get it with farming GG. And the new pvp sets ARE NOT better for pve than the new pve sets, because there are no overall setbonuses and tenacity is COMPLETELY useless in pve.
Basically you get a nice bridge with pvp gear until you receive BiS-pve-gear. This is the state of the game since the introduction of GG, and was NEVER a bad thing.
Some people here are just crybabies... the same persons who may think pve is difficult... lol...it never really was... only if you are bad...
Because they ran off to many conumers after icewind fail.
^
Nothing personal i 'l speak in general
I am tired of people of bashing IWD.
IWD was and is the greatest mod of Nw up today.With two brand new zones ,interesting graphics,completely new enemies,new mechanisms,open pvp,the best gear in the game,a fun skirmish.Brand new music ,aa fancy alive town.
Still even to this day as we speak players in IWD outnumber the sum of Sharandar + Dread ring together at any given date.
(About Dread ring:how people like this awfull scenery all,grey areas ,all areas the same it is beyond me.how people like Vt is beyond me.Actually i think Kessel skirmish is longer than VT.Nvm.)
People just bash IWD cause they could not obtain their gauntlets.
People bash IWD cause they consider it to have grind.The reality is IWD has the 1/50 of ToD/Wod grind.
And IWD was the last mod where f2p people could compete p2w players.All BiS gear could be obtained by playing the daamn game.Not boting not exploiting.No bot can survive remorhaz or beholder ever.
So i see a lot of people bashing IWD for no reason while they keep silent about the ultra failure of Mo4/5.
But yeah with a lot of bots in mod4/5 you can get BiS while in IWd ,not.
Yes i m one of those praying for a new ice wind dale too
I agree there is potential but there are many things that need to be changed TBH.
1) A countdown timer like we have for dragons but for OW Domination! This allows players to hop around to find the zones where its up soon.
2) Real rewards for doing OW Domination. This can be seal of triumph or whatever! Doesnt matter but there needs to be a real reason to go to this. Even just adding glory and possibly RP for the top "places" would be nice.
3) Actually LOCK the instance to not accept more than 25( whatever is the cap) players. All this ends up doing is causing lag issues as well as zerging.
Heck I would EVEN consider enabling a "Que" System for OW Dom, where when you Que for it, it transports you into the map in "even number teams on each side" and locks the entrees.
And finally 4) Remove the advantage pets provide here. When you enter the PVP area and get flagged you should get a message saying "pets cannot Assist you here".
If you want players to run aroudn the zone flagged - its not gonna happen. If THAT IS THE GOAL then you need to make the ENTIRE zone "PVP enabled" otherwise noone will willing take that more risk for zero extra reward.
I am tired of people of bashing IWD.
IWD was and is the greatest mod of Nw up today.With two brand new zones ,interesting graphics,completely new enemies,new mechanisms,open pvp,the best gear in the game,a fun skirmish.Brand new music ,aa fancy alive town.
Still even to this day as we speak players in IWD outnumber the sum of Sharandar + Dread ring together at any given date.
(About Dread ring:how people like this awfull scenery all,grey areas ,all areas the same it is beyond me.how people like Vt is beyond me.Actually i think Kessel skirmish is longer than VT.Nvm.)
People just bash IWD cause they could not obtain their gauntlets.
People bash IWD cause they consider it to have grind.The reality is IWD has the 1/50 of ToD/Wod grind.
And IWD was the last mod where f2p people could compete p2w players.All BiS gear could be obtained by playing the daamn game.Not boting not exploiting.No bot can survive remorhaz or beholder ever.
So i see a lot of people bashing IWD for no reason while they keep silent about the ultra failure of Mo4/5.
But yeah with a lot of bots in mod4/5 you can get BiS while in IWd ,not.
End of rage mod
Off topic but..
I agree. I really liked IWD. I was hoping to see the area expanded and continued. when you look around the area it definitely feels like they had more in mind for a future mod. The gauntlet/weapon RNG was too high and probably should of just made it available on day 40 with the campaing or something along those lines.
Look, this is really about PVPers attempting to defend their unjustified advantage at having the first crack at the new lvl 70 dungeons and selling its unbound loot for millions before anyone else has even arrived. It's not about leveling, and it's not really about using the new gear for PVP.
This is reason why i posted since this gear gives more then 30k hp and have set bonus so ppl who have this gear first few days/weeks will have huge advantage and most likely
only them will be able to farm new pve dungeons
at the time being there is 0 stuffs to drop and sell in new pve.
i would act differently if that was the case.
however no one tells you cant farm glory by doing pvp or gaunt dungeons.
the game is not pve, is not pvp. Is a game with pve and with pvp being the same game. Play the game or do otherwise without complaining.
why you dont see me complain about all the goodies i can only get by pve? because i just recognize the game is not one or another thing. Its both and i am playing it.
oh just to point it out, i m the most f2p out here and regardless the time i enjoy spendind on the forum between works and stuffs i can only play few hours a day.
then pvp gear should also cost seals so if its ment to be even
all this thread sounds like it is unfair that they are better cause the did something that I am not good at/ don't want to do.
pvp and those people that play both pvp and pve do deserve advantage on getting gear.
pvp gear is not the best and won't be the best for pve. It is still worse then top 135 gear that everyone will have to grind.
It is not so hard to get some seals and glory. I did played pvp this module like 2 week at all to get some. It won't be enough for me but I know guy that played gg pvp daily - he has more then enough - and he deserves to get gear.
If people do get advantage since they done their homework, it is not a reason to open forum thread to cry about.
I hope they will do iwd pvp rewardful and maybe no companions would be nice. Especially with new changes to those like resurrect them self in 10-15 seconds.
I think pvp people just grinded their gear before head. No one stopped you from doing so. Some of us did grind. Some like me are still in process.
Also pve gear still is a grind. And you can get part of it at day one too. Like buy for linus. Also requires some work to be done before.
agreed,
i suffer in PVP most days and get some reward, coins , glory
if i farmed 100 coins, and 50k glory before mod 6 starts, its the same if i grind tiamat 100 times and get 50 linus (stopped this in case of getting massively bored)
btw how much glory and coins are needed for a full PVP set, included mainhand offhand, and if somone played that much PVP that he can buy this at day one, i don´t mind
guess its gonna be a big ammount of glory, probably you even need to grind things, who knows who cares in a game that is on the "edge"?
where is the pvp content then?
since a few months we get pve only content while pvp is being ignored you call that fair?
pvp is unprofitable while with pve u can make AD you call that fair?
please get out & stay out
new content is where all we got is new leveeling areas and you will use then also and ad are not used for any new gear its all bop and you know it
also you made ad the same way we do daily quest yours for pvp ours for pve
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LMFAO
you just make urself look more stupid everytime u post something if you think getting AD only from daily is enough to gear up
hahahaha
you still think its fair when 1 group gets somthing before another the answer is no no matter who it is and even if you dont want to admit it not right and if your think about this is dnd not a pvpgame if you want a truly pvp game this is not it this was and always will be a pve first game thats the way dnd was set up from the start
all i want is a even playing field either make the pvp gear use a new curancy or all gear use the same curancy it si only fair
This just confuses me and is rather silly IMO.
Players can pre-farm Linu Favor.
Players can Pre-Farm GMOPs to upgrade enchants past 10
Players can PRE-Farm BlackIce for the new gear.
Players can PRE-Farm nearly ANYTHING in the game. Heck you can even PRE-farm RP to get your artifact equipement on DAY 1 which is a MUCH bigger advantage IMO than having full PVP gear day 1.
Plus the PVP will be ******ed for about 2 weeks, because everyone will be leveling and waiting for a double RP event.
But you are mad at PVP gear being something that players can pre-farm? That doesnt make sense to me. Plus even if you added new currency, it WONT give you an even playing field at all. ALL it will do is create ANOTHER barrier that Casual Players or NEW players will have to pass, that Existing players will EASILY farm and all it does it make a more frustrating experience for everyone.
If anything, I already said that they just need to DOUBLE everything. Double Glory costs, Double Glory Cap, DOUBLE Glory rewards from events.
THAT diminishes the 50k or even if you get 100k with GG coins ETC the whole set would cost like 140k and not many people have that much pre-farmed.
THIS is the solution that works, NO currency needed, lvl 70 new players can earn glory compared to cost at a fair rate and it diminishes the glory already saved. Again though, for what purpose? Itll take current players <1 week to get the glory they need so you want them to do a ton of extra work for what? 1 weeks worth of "more fair PVP" when some of the class patches wont even hit for 2 weeks after module AND most players wont even hit 70 right away anyways.
So ALL that said, I just see this worthless and regret typing this all.
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I want equalized and premade PVP. Then casuals wouldn't get roflstomped and true premades from PVP guilds would have something to do for better rewards.
On topic: let PVE players use existing seals to buy new stuff or remove the forced professions with 12 day wait time per task to upgrade it.
Then I'd be totally ok with PVP getting their gear for glory day one.
Okay they needed those few whales why? Because they ran off to many conumers after icewind fail. A whale is NOTHING stacked against tens of thousands. Unless your whale is spending roughly 300k a week. They don't make up the net loss of 30k casual pve players dropping no more than 10 dollars a week. Those numbers are actually way lower then what they actually lost after driving off the majority. You know what kind of business cares about whales ? Casinos why because the house it already winning and the whale is just the frosting on the cake . No game company ucunless it was originally set up to be as such can survive on their pvp player base. It's to marginal. You want to know what your talking about before saying it. Do your research just like I did go look at the time lines as to when this game started hemorrhaging clients or players or whatever you want to call them. All the way up till the time they wanted to try to force pvp down people's throats they we're healthy solvent and profitable. Icewind fail comes along and its as if Pompeii erupted and the masses fled. I look at numbers statistics facts on paper. I see a problem and I put my finger on it and say there right there that's what's wrong and I would squash the hell out of it.
if you think you can run pve lv 70 epics with the blue leveling gear then you dont mind if you have to use your blue leveling gear for pvp also
It really has nothing to do with preview and is just a basic old gripe.
at the time being there is 0 stuffs to drop and sell in new pve.
i would act differently if that was the case.
however no one tells you cant farm glory by doing pvp or gaunt dungeons.
the game is not pve, is not pvp. Is a game with pve and with pvp being the same game. Play the game or do otherwise without complaining.
why you dont see me complain about all the goodies i can only get by pve? because i just recognize the game is not one or another thing. Its both and i am playing it.
oh just to point it out, i m the most f2p out here and regardless the time i enjoy spendind on the forum between works and stuffs i can only play few hours a day.
You can farm the new pvp-gear with pvp OR pve in advance!
How can someone not comprehend this?
Obtaining the pvp sets early actually HELPS EVERYBODY! You can get it with farming GG. And the new pvp sets ARE NOT better for pve than the new pve sets, because there are no overall setbonuses and tenacity is COMPLETELY useless in pve.
Basically you get a nice bridge with pvp gear until you receive BiS-pve-gear. This is the state of the game since the introduction of GG, and was NEVER a bad thing.
Some people here are just crybabies... the same persons who may think pve is difficult... lol...it never really was... only if you are bad...
^
Nothing personal i 'l speak in general
I am tired of people of bashing IWD.
IWD was and is the greatest mod of Nw up today.With two brand new zones ,interesting graphics,completely new enemies,new mechanisms,open pvp,the best gear in the game,a fun skirmish.Brand new music ,aa fancy alive town.
Still even to this day as we speak players in IWD outnumber the sum of Sharandar + Dread ring together at any given date.
(About Dread ring:how people like this awfull scenery all,grey areas ,all areas the same it is beyond me.how people like Vt is beyond me.Actually i think Kessel skirmish is longer than VT.Nvm.)
People just bash IWD cause they could not obtain their gauntlets.
People bash IWD cause they consider it to have grind.The reality is IWD has the 1/50 of ToD/Wod grind.
And IWD was the last mod where f2p people could compete p2w players.All BiS gear could be obtained by playing the daamn game.Not boting not exploiting.No bot can survive remorhaz or beholder ever.
So i see a lot of people bashing IWD for no reason while they keep silent about the ultra failure of Mo4/5.
But yeah with a lot of bots in mod4/5 you can get BiS while in IWd ,not.
End of rage mod
I agree there is potential but there are many things that need to be changed TBH.
1) A countdown timer like we have for dragons but for OW Domination! This allows players to hop around to find the zones where its up soon.
2) Real rewards for doing OW Domination. This can be seal of triumph or whatever! Doesnt matter but there needs to be a real reason to go to this. Even just adding glory and possibly RP for the top "places" would be nice.
3) Actually LOCK the instance to not accept more than 25( whatever is the cap) players. All this ends up doing is causing lag issues as well as zerging.
Heck I would EVEN consider enabling a "Que" System for OW Dom, where when you Que for it, it transports you into the map in "even number teams on each side" and locks the entrees.
And finally 4) Remove the advantage pets provide here. When you enter the PVP area and get flagged you should get a message saying "pets cannot Assist you here".
If you want players to run aroudn the zone flagged - its not gonna happen. If THAT IS THE GOAL then you need to make the ENTIRE zone "PVP enabled" otherwise noone will willing take that more risk for zero extra reward.
Off topic but..
I agree. I really liked IWD. I was hoping to see the area expanded and continued. when you look around the area it definitely feels like they had more in mind for a future mod. The gauntlet/weapon RNG was too high and probably should of just made it available on day 40 with the campaing or something along those lines.
This is reason why i posted since this gear gives more then 30k hp and have set bonus so ppl who have this gear first few days/weeks will have huge advantage and most likely
only them will be able to farm new pve dungeons
pvp and those people that play both pvp and pve do deserve advantage on getting gear.
pvp gear is not the best and won't be the best for pve. It is still worse then top 135 gear that everyone will have to grind.
It is not so hard to get some seals and glory. I did played pvp this module like 2 week at all to get some. It won't be enough for me but I know guy that played gg pvp daily - he has more then enough - and he deserves to get gear.
If people do get advantage since they done their homework, it is not a reason to open forum thread to cry about.
I hope they will do iwd pvp rewardful and maybe no companions would be nice. Especially with new changes to those like resurrect them self in 10-15 seconds.
i suffer in PVP most days and get some reward, coins , glory
if i farmed 100 coins, and 50k glory before mod 6 starts, its the same if i grind tiamat 100 times and get 50 linus (stopped this in case of getting massively bored)
btw how much glory and coins are needed for a full PVP set, included mainhand offhand, and if somone played that much PVP that he can buy this at day one, i don´t mind
guess its gonna be a big ammount of glory, probably you even need to grind things, who knows who cares in a game that is on the "edge"?
aw man, your nobhood is showing on that one - Grym Coins = Glory, Seal of Triumph = Glory
these are all farm-able currently.
and we are telling you that never was never an even playing field.
try doing some astral diamonds or farm some rp with pvp...let me know how it goes
edit: really to me its changes nothing, i will spend 100k glory on artifacts to refine with bonuses but its the principle that hurts me
also you made ad the same way we do daily quest yours for pvp ours for pve
you still think its fair when 1 group gets somthing before another the answer is no no matter who it is and even if you dont want to admit it not right and if your think about this is dnd not a pvpgame if you want a truly pvp game this is not it this was and always will be a pve first game thats the way dnd was set up from the start
lets leave it like this you are wrong almost everyone is still useing t2 sets nothing has been made since that we use
This just confuses me and is rather silly IMO.
Players can pre-farm Linu Favor.
Players can Pre-Farm GMOPs to upgrade enchants past 10
Players can PRE-Farm BlackIce for the new gear.
Players can PRE-Farm nearly ANYTHING in the game. Heck you can even PRE-farm RP to get your artifact equipement on DAY 1 which is a MUCH bigger advantage IMO than having full PVP gear day 1.
Plus the PVP will be ******ed for about 2 weeks, because everyone will be leveling and waiting for a double RP event.
But you are mad at PVP gear being something that players can pre-farm? That doesnt make sense to me. Plus even if you added new currency, it WONT give you an even playing field at all. ALL it will do is create ANOTHER barrier that Casual Players or NEW players will have to pass, that Existing players will EASILY farm and all it does it make a more frustrating experience for everyone.
If anything, I already said that they just need to DOUBLE everything. Double Glory costs, Double Glory Cap, DOUBLE Glory rewards from events.
THAT diminishes the 50k or even if you get 100k with GG coins ETC the whole set would cost like 140k and not many people have that much pre-farmed.
THIS is the solution that works, NO currency needed, lvl 70 new players can earn glory compared to cost at a fair rate and it diminishes the glory already saved. Again though, for what purpose? Itll take current players <1 week to get the glory they need so you want them to do a ton of extra work for what? 1 weeks worth of "more fair PVP" when some of the class patches wont even hit for 2 weeks after module AND most players wont even hit 70 right away anyways.
So ALL that said, I just see this worthless and regret typing this all.