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  • emilemoemilemo Member Posts: 1,718 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Don't mind marnival he and shweifer have thier own preconceived notions about the paladin probably because this game is so dps-centric.
    Don't know what characters they run but it cant be protector GF because pally actually hits harder and faster than that particular model of GF.

    They don't understand how it works. This is basically a "fake" paladin anyway to test skills and if and how they work. The one at launch will have "some" improvements and down the road they will likely have more (see dps cleric) but thats just my "speculation" and educated guess because as voltemey said ranger was considered by many to be a terrible class (not my opinion ever) but it got buffs down the road and now its better than it ever was.

    It's like building a house and this is the foundation the actual house will look much nicer after they build the rest then renovate it.

    and at least they upped the weapon damage i scored a 14k crit with smite and upwards of 5k or more each at will this is using level 62 gear btw. A prot GF could never hope to accomplish that without knights challenge.

    disclaimer- i am not disparaging anyone with this statement on purpose if you feel insulted i automatically apologize.

    14k crit with Smite seems high to you? Sorry mate this amount wont even register on my radar and Smite wont hit anything but another tank in PVP. Also for the record any GF can hit harder than that with a single target attack without KC.

    The highest hit with my lvl 64 /scaled to 70/ Paladin was a 24k Relentless crit and this is still super low (we are not counting the 100k Crits of Divine Judgement since its a daily). Of course right now we cant wear gloves and helmets but I have a very good weapon ( Mace of the Holy Knight / 1500 weapon damage scaled to lvl 70) so my damage numbers are about as high as an average Pala can get.

    For reference my GWF scaled to 70 has 1800 weapon damage ( legendary artie ) and hits for 150k IBS crits. I will not say the Paladin will suck once LIVE 'cause I cant know that. What I do know is that the Paladin sucks on Preview right now.
    Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
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  • masterjewstarmasterjewstar Member Posts: 563
    edited March 2015
    Feedback- So was thinking on the aggro issue for the paladin and the solution to the problem may be simple.

    Oathstrike causes enemies to strike the paladin for 2 seconds.... single target. What if the aggro but not the damage from oath strike was an aoe around the target and so was the force to attack could make the aoe from it around 15 feet but lasts only 1 second for non-main targets.

    Another thing you could do is make smite hit in an area for the first hits damage. The problem is, that almost all attacks the paladin wields are ALL single target if you made some of them into multi targeting skills it will increase damage and therefore aggro and increase the ability to control mobs in an area its why GFs are so good at it; well that and marks.

    Could also make sacred weapon "synergize" or stack and increase the time the main target is forced for both these skills.

    Even vow of enmity could benefit from aggro in an aoe so long as people are striking the target.

    There are very rare occasions that single target force taunts are needed especially inside dungeons so why not make some of them aoe.
  • rversantrversant Member Posts: 896 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    BUG : Fey thistle vs Oathbound paladin

    Fey thistle seems to just proc nonstop when near paladins, they dont actually have to deal ANY damage to you at all for this to proc.
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    People are way too negative, Why cant we just all get along.


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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Feedback :
    Pls give us an option to instant lvl up paladin agan cuz we have black holes cant respec or do anything.
    So we cant test paladin now.
    We cannot delete and copy paladin from live as "panderus say to us".
    GWF 3700Ilvl Éjsötét & ProPala 3200Ilvl Menydörgés (main) & Szürkefarkas 2600 ilvl
  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Paladin still unplayable, 3 item slots unusable and pressing the button next to that slot crashes client
    Paladin Master Race
  • arabaturarabatur Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Bug: Sanctuary

    Is woefully unreliable. You never know if it will;
    work at all,
    work after a delayed activation or
    work after spamming the shift key

    Seeing as this is an important class mechanic and with Module 6 so close to release, I have serious doubts about the overall effectiveness of the OP. Couple this with the generally lacklustre paragon feats, this doesn't bode well.
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  • emilemoemilemo Member Posts: 1,718 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Protection Paladin in IWD. Lvl 64 scaled to 70, died while fighting a duo of bears. Two miserable bears, one big and one small. Mama bear and little baby bear KILLED MY TANK PALADIN! The temp HP from Templar's Wrath got blown away by a single paw strike. How am I supposed to tank a 5-man dungeon if I cant handle 2 bears?


    Im gonna stop now 'cause the rest of the things I want to say boil down to profanities and insults and you guys at Cryptic are not worth it.
    Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
    Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
  • obsidiancran3obsidiancran3 Member Posts: 1,823 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Feedback- So was thinking on the aggro issue for the paladin and the solution to the problem may be simple.

    Oathstrike causes enemies to strike the paladin for 2 seconds.... single target. What if the aggro but not the damage from oath strike was an aoe around the target and so was the force to attack could make the aoe from it around 15 feet but lasts only 1 second for non-main targets.
    I like this suggestion.
    The problem is, that almost all attacks the paladin wields are ALL single target if you made some of them into multi targeting skills it will increase damage and therefore aggro and increase the ability to control mobs in an area its why GFs are so good at it; well that and marks.

    Wait what powers are you running? Nearly everything I run consistently is AoE, including the 2 at-wills I run. (Whose names I cannot check atm due to being unable to log in). The only time I pick single target stuff is when I need to beat on a boss and then its only the 1 encounter power (Vow for example). I basically find Sacred to be useless once I've levelled past 30.
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  • mrdraqomrdraqo Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited March 2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypervoreian View Post
    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/sho...-Thread/page37


    "Hey guys! We have been following the feedback and we wanted to let you guys know we are making a change to improve QoL for Control Wizards in PVP with Tenacity.

    Control Wizards now ignore 66% of a target's Tenacity for the purposes of calculating control durations on a target.

    We wanted CW's to feel better about landing controls on targets, but didn't want to just widespread scale back the control resist people were getting because we wanted other classes to work harder to successfully control a target. "


    They still do.Problem is in mod2 there were very few ways to boost your cc duration or to mitigate it.
    Today CWs have boosted their CC duration by gear/artifacts ,while the cc resist stat is rare and prety expensive to aquire.
    And why only CWs to ignore 66% of tenacity?Why not all classes?

    Remind to all GWF/GF prones were deleted from PVP cause CWs "can not fight if we are controlled all the time".

    two measures here.
    In any case mod2 CWs had 30k hp at best and 30% DR and a petty shield.Now we are talking about 100k+ hp CWs in mod6 with UNMITIGATED shield on tab,150% CC buff through gear and feats,90s tange ,45k storm spell procs,and a new encounter that does 81k damage every 5,7 secs.


    CWs ignoring 66% CC Resist must go away.It is a thing of the past.Period.In pve there's no use for it anyway.it is a golden opportunity here with the new stat curve the devs to bring back in line the Lords of our Lands,the CWs.

    it is cool we are talking about a paladin dps increase, devs want to do with cw tank :) Poor pvp and pve Cw probably I a cry;-) OP - shift !!!!! still works! as he wants !!!As with the dps do daily quests ??????? This is getting ridiculous! Raising the level to 73 IWD, WoD. OP starting from 0 ! who will have enough time to do the job for Boons ???? The game will be a fun pastime instead of doing boring repetitive tasks with a high level of difficulty, day after day ..... I understand the very difficult task but voluntary VT, MC, etc.
    paladin interest shown by the last patch. People have ceased to interest him. Full errors, boring, and they have to start from the beginning. A release mod6 - 10 days was
  • emilemoemilemo Member Posts: 1,718 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The Paladin now attempts to go into the GF blocking stance before switching to his own
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  • blackomen9000blackomen9000 Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mrdraqo wrote: »
    #334
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypervoreian View Post
    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/sho...-Thread/page37


    "Hey guys! We have been following the feedback and we wanted to let you guys know we are making a change to improve QoL for Control Wizards in PVP with Tenacity.

    Control Wizards now ignore 66% of a target's Tenacity for the purposes of calculating control durations on a target.

    We wanted CW's to feel better about landing controls on targets, but didn't want to just widespread scale back the control resist people were getting because we wanted other classes to work harder to successfully control a target. "


    They still do.Problem is in mod2 there were very few ways to boost your cc duration or to mitigate it.
    Today CWs have boosted their CC duration by gear/artifacts ,while the cc resist stat is rare and prety expensive to aquire.
    And why only CWs to ignore 66% of tenacity?Why not all classes?

    Remind to all GWF/GF prones were deleted from PVP cause CWs "can not fight if we are controlled all the time".

    two measures here.
    In any case mod2 CWs had 30k hp at best and 30% DR and a petty shield.Now we are talking about 100k+ hp CWs in mod6 with UNMITIGATED shield on tab,150% CC buff through gear and feats,90s tange ,45k storm spell procs,and a new encounter that does 81k damage every 5,7 secs.


    CWs ignoring 66% CC Resist must go away.It is a thing of the past.Period.In pve there's no use for it anyway.it is a golden opportunity here with the new stat curve the devs to bring back in line the Lords of our Lands,the CWs.

    it is cool we are talking about a paladin dps increase, devs want to do with cw tank :) Poor pvp and pve Cw probably I a cry;-) OP - shift !!!!! still works! as he wants !!!As with the dps do daily quests ??????? This is getting ridiculous! Raising the level to 73 IWD, WoD. OP starting from 0 ! who will have enough time to do the job for Boons ???? The game will be a fun pastime instead of doing boring repetitive tasks with a high level of difficulty, day after day ..... I understand the very difficult task but voluntary VT, MC, etc.
    paladin interest shown by the last patch. People have ceased to interest him. Full errors, boring, and they have to start from the beginning. A release mod6 - 10 days was

    While I agree with you, this is the wrong thread. The CW thread is in another castle. (At least you mentioned the paladin at the very end.)
  • lordblackwolf2klordblackwolf2k Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It's kinda funny how they buff the control wizard while <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over the paladin before it's even released.
  • blackomen9000blackomen9000 Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It's kinda funny how they buff the control wizard while <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over the paladin before it's even released.

    Well control wizards are the dev's favorite apparently. Sort of like bright wizards were the favorite of the devs in Warhammer, hence why they were ungodly overpowered until several months before the game was canceled. (I wager after the devs that played favorites were fired.)
  • jharlisjharlis Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2015
    There's so little feedback for the paladin, and we're one week from launch. The last patch note for OP was incredibly small compared to all the bugs mentioned by the players.
    I'm a bit scared about what the OP will be on launch. I'll play it anyway.

    Feedback

    I had stopped playing the OP before the damage% buff.
    I was at lvl 30, i lvled it a bit to 38, it felt very pleasant.
    I had this monstruous HP for that lvl = 35k which is more than my GF 11 kgs has on live.
    I don't know if it's just the new stats curve but well, having all that HP was useless, mobs barely scratched me during my questing. (tank paladin), even having half would be too much.
    Shield is still not working fast enough.
    The sanctuary heal was well underwhelming,i know i chose the tank path, but healing 150ish life per sec when you have a total of 35k life is pointless.
    Divine Call regen is horrible. I can't regen a single bar during -any- fight. And when the fight ends it recovers in few seconds.
    Paragon feats are ugly, exception of the healing feats, they're so ugly i don't feel like putting points in them, except the last tier.

    Overall it's a shame that we only have ONE REALLY DAMAGING skill and it's a daily. And damage splits if there are more than 1 target. I one shot the Helm's campaign boss.
    What a shame.

    After checking my GF on preview : he has 34,840 life points at level 60 wearing plenty of purple gear ( not artifacts), i do'nt know what to say.


    PS : Walking animation is horrible on preview, i thought it was my drow female OP but it's the same on my GF, anyone has the same problem? (struggling to walk/run)
  • neverknight5neverknight5 Member Posts: 79
    edited March 2015
    Feedback: Damage

    I think oath bound Paladins need a damage boost. The weapon damage boost was a nice touch but not enough. It does not go unappreciated though. The reason I think Paladins should get a damage boost is because I have done some testing in icewind dale against several classes and found I was mainly relying on my at wills. My gear is T1 epic pvp equipment with rank 6's with a soulforged and plaguefire slotted. I'm a bulwark oath of protection Paladin.

    If I slot for example relentless avenger, Templars wrath and vow of enmity , I will quickly get burned down by people. Not saying the Paladins need a defence boost the defence we have now is awesome, but we need to keep defensive encounters because if we slot damaging encounters the damage is not enough to compete with our enemy's. On one occasion I landed a relentless avenger and a Templars wrath on a rogue, to see them go impossible to catch and then got executed shockingly, not asking for a nerf of any kind, just saying after we land our damaging encounters then what? Same with other classes with immunity frame dodges, although we do have sanctuary our damage is still not reliable and Paladins do have some relatively long cool downs.

    Although you could argue 'if you want damage go justice', most of the feats in there are lackluster and dissapointing, bulwark and light seem to be the way to go for pvp specs at the moment.

    A good way to solve this is by giving encounters and at wills an extra damage boost so absolution, cleansing touch etc won't be crutches and we can experiment with different builds. Then we can output decent damage and sacrifice some tankyness and healing or have a mix of both. Decent dps being out putted, decent tanking. Low dps, high survivability. We have the survivability but not the damage, you can't win a fight without defeating the opponent. Since this is a tank/healer class we cannot exactly have damage on par with warlocks, Wizards, Gwf, rogues etc but the damage must be close to or same as at least guardian fighters. Maybe not the exact same as conquerors but similar to GF's.This might be lenghty but thanks for reading sorry if this isn't blue I tried making it blue but it's too confusing to do on an iPad.
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  • cheesegromitcheesegromit Member Posts: 540 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Feedback: Paladin at-wills (Oath of Protection)
    I'm a bit late on this feedback, sorry but it's something I've been wanting to mention.

    An observation when it comes to the current at-wills for the Oath of Protection Paladin.

    Valorous Strike, Oath Strike and Shielding Strike are all much the same in how they function. Single target, third stike something happens. This leads to a lack of variety in terms of at-will choices. I don't know how others play but I tend to have a primary at-will and a secondary at-will. The secondary at-will will be something that's applied once per target, e.g. DoT or debuff, or functions differently to the primary, e.g. AoE vs single target.

    For the Oathbound Paladin you have only Radiant Strike that functions differently. So for me at least, the choice is Radiant Strike and one of the other three.

    Oath of Devotion has more variety in the form of the paragon healing at-will. I admit I've not tried this yet though.
  • emilemoemilemo Member Posts: 1,718 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Feedback: Paladin at-wills (Oath of Protection)
    I'm a bit late on this feedback, sorry but it's something I've been wanting to mention.

    An observation when it comes to the current at-wills for the Oath of Protection Paladin.

    Valorous Strike, Oath Strike and Shielding Strike are all much the same in how they function. Single target, third stike something happens. This leads to a lack of variety in terms of at-will choices. I don't know how others play but I tend to have a primary at-will and a secondary at-will. The secondary at-will will be something that's applied once per target, e.g. DoT or debuff, or functions differently to the primary, e.g. AoE vs single target.

    For the Oathbound Paladin you have only Radiant Strike that functions differently. So for me at least, the choice is Radiant Strike and one of the other three.

    Oath of Devotion has more variety in the form of the paragon healing at-will. I admit I've not tried this yet though.


    Out of interest what at-will combinations are others using?

    I tested upto lvl 64 then deleted the toon due to broken head and glove slots ( and due to devs not listening to feedback anyway ). From what I saw the OP is an At-Will class. Most of his damage solo comes from At-Wills ( thats why in PVP all an OP can be is a heal/buff/tank bot ). The best combo I found was Protector Pala with Shielding and Radiant strikes. Encounters: VoE , Templar's , Relentless. At lower levels Burning Light will be your best friend of course.
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  • caciquenorecaciquenore Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    BUG: Feat - Vengeful judge (Justice tree), Oath of Protection
    Seems this feat doesn't work in protector's oath. After using Tab key paladin receives protector's buff, but do not receive Judge. Damage isn't increased, cooldowns aren't reduced. At the same time this feat correctly work in Oath of Devotion.

    still no working in oath of protection path
  • ameonneameonne Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    BUG - feat "Prism" used on 2+ OP`s at same time
    Effect similar to previous bug with Prism and Bond of Virtue. When 2 OP`s or more activate Prism feat any received healing start infinite loop.

    Screens:
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  • lordblackwolf2klordblackwolf2k Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Unless bugs like that are fixed the paladin is going to be a broken class when it goes live in 6 days.
  • jaegernljaegernl Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Now do that with Burning Guidance. Lolz will be had. Kill any Dragon in seconds flat.
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  • animalustanimalust Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 573 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    jaegernl wrote: »
    Now do that with Burning Guidance. Lolz will be had. Kill any Dragon in seconds flat.

    they still didnt fix that?
  • masterjewstarmasterjewstar Member Posts: 563
    edited March 2015
    I like this suggestion.



    Wait what powers are you running? Nearly everything I run consistently is AoE, including the 2 at-wills I run. (Whose names I cannot check atm due to being unable to log in). The only time I pick single target stuff is when I need to beat on a boss and then its only the 1 encounter power (Vow for example). I basically find Sacred to be useless once I've levelled past 30.

    I'm using shielding strike and valorous strike. enmity smite and sacred; i like the extra damage for shielding and smite. i use valorous for its uping to DR and its faster to hit than shielding. i have to concentrate on a single target using this setup. Against harder hitting enemies i run templars instead of sacred. against run of the mill enemies templars slows you down imo especially since i have lay on hands slotted so i dont really need templars. and this is of course while solo i'd use completely different powers in a group obviously.

    i also said many of them are single target at least the ones i use are i dont really like radiant strike its nice that its aoe but the damage not so much same thing with burning light i like that its like a smokebomb that follows me but again its damage not so much.

    and thanks for liking my suggestion at least somebody does. lol
  • jaegernljaegernl Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    They did fix the original bug where one OP with Bond of Virtue could keep triggering Prism, but stack two OP's, and you'll both keep triggering Prism and Burning Guidance.
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  • emilemoemilemo Member Posts: 1,718 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    OP with Lightning enchant can kill the dummies in seconds thanks to an "infinite" proc loop
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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Feedback:

    With all respect i want to ask the developer team to make some changes on the defensive mechanism on the following class:

    The Paladin's Sanctuary supposed to work like the Block of the Guardian Fighter or Shield Spell on the Control Wizard .

    My suggestion should fix the promblems caused by the Piercing mechanism, this way it would be completly acceptable and it also would be able to balance out both the PvP and the PvE part of this game. It would solve the one hit kill problems in the game further more it would balance out the Life Steal and Regeneration loss .

    I come up with this idea based on the feedback of the other players.

    Thnx for reading this .
    GWF 3700Ilvl Éjsötét & ProPala 3200Ilvl Menydörgés (main) & Szürkefarkas 2600 ilvl
  • neverknight5neverknight5 Member Posts: 79
    edited March 2015
    interrupts go through the saunctuary and stun us, this needs a fix.
  • destinyknightdestinyknight Member Posts: 962 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Infact thats more of a general issue than a class specific issue.
  • killernorekillernore Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Bug: Force of Will

    -Each point to charisma now increment your critical chance by additional /.33/.66/1%

    i think is each point to wisdom
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