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Did PVP finally die?
doriangreigh
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A few days ago, maybe even a work or so now, I tried to see what all the flaming about TR was about, so I queued for PVP, which I have not done since the CW first got their PVP buff.
Let me first say, wow I totally understand where all the complaints about TR went, I spent the whole match stunned or tag teamed stunned. It was ridiculous. My CW control powers (freeze mainly) got seriously nerfed why is the stun duration not the same? At MOST it should be 1 second on players just like all the control powers for CW seem to be.
Then i'd say in the last 2 or 3 days i've queued just for dailys trying to get another artifact to use to refine another power artifact with should another double RP weekend show up.
What I discovered was that it would be me a 17k CW or 16k GF queued in with 2 - 4 players that had 7k or LESS GS, some dont' even have 1 artifact from the level 20 quest that gives one, many are in green gear that is not even level 50 ... seriously not even level 5 0 !!!! My opponents 3+ 20k+ GS players with lots of pretty orange bling. Yeah total waste of my time.
Then another funny thing happened, I stopped getting much of anything but 7- 10 k players ... honestly the matches ended up seemingly more balanced with same skilled players on each team... it was actually fun, good node contestation, no one one shotting each other ... some of the best matches I had but at times it literally felt like it was me with a team of bots vs. another live player and his team of bots.
So i'm wondering did all of a sudden all the craziness with TR and GS disparity between players finally make people stop doing pvp? Or maybe did all the supremely geared pvp players have nothing left to buy with glory and hit their glory cap and are now farming grym coins for the future update with drow gear?
Let me first say, wow I totally understand where all the complaints about TR went, I spent the whole match stunned or tag teamed stunned. It was ridiculous. My CW control powers (freeze mainly) got seriously nerfed why is the stun duration not the same? At MOST it should be 1 second on players just like all the control powers for CW seem to be.
Then i'd say in the last 2 or 3 days i've queued just for dailys trying to get another artifact to use to refine another power artifact with should another double RP weekend show up.
What I discovered was that it would be me a 17k CW or 16k GF queued in with 2 - 4 players that had 7k or LESS GS, some dont' even have 1 artifact from the level 20 quest that gives one, many are in green gear that is not even level 50 ... seriously not even level 5 0 !!!! My opponents 3+ 20k+ GS players with lots of pretty orange bling. Yeah total waste of my time.
Then another funny thing happened, I stopped getting much of anything but 7- 10 k players ... honestly the matches ended up seemingly more balanced with same skilled players on each team... it was actually fun, good node contestation, no one one shotting each other ... some of the best matches I had but at times it literally felt like it was me with a team of bots vs. another live player and his team of bots.
So i'm wondering did all of a sudden all the craziness with TR and GS disparity between players finally make people stop doing pvp? Or maybe did all the supremely geared pvp players have nothing left to buy with glory and hit their glory cap and are now farming grym coins for the future update with drow gear?
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when GWFs were crazy insane you saw 2 in a match
when CWs were crazy insane you saw 2 in a match
when DCs and TRs were crazy insane...you get how it works.
GS Balance has always been weird as in sometimes you end up on a lowbie GS team vs a high GS team...it has never been balanced. About 10% of the time (1 in 10 matches) you will have a fun close one. That has always been the case.
The only thing that has changed is the amount the queue pops, it is way less now, so if that is any indication, yes it is dying.
With the exception of TRs, PVP seems reasonably balanced at about the 10k-14k GS range. Matches are more likely to be competitive and fun.
I honestly believe that the devs never thought players would have such monstrous GS's and power as the high GS crowd have and so they never contemplated even thinking about how to balance PVP at that high of level.
Not trying to be rude or anything, i agree PvP is completely unbalanced, always has been, but my main has always been a TR, and i get wrecked in PvP, to the point that i have to actually afk at the campfire for a minute to stop myself raging lol.
Anyway, my point is, even in lowbie PvP, there will always be those "omg LB is sooo freakin OP" players who are just there to oneshot troll you, just gotta learn how to deal with em
One of my points I made in another thread was why can't the queue system auto balance players ... for instance if a queue pops and there are 3 high GS player on one team and then 1 on the other team then why not pull on player from the other team and reassign them? I know premades would pitch a fit but seriously the best matches I had in the past couple of days was when there were the same number of high GS players on each side even if it was 1 16k+ on each side full of 10k or less ... its when all the high GS players are on the same team it just sucks.
You would think some premades might even relish this thought as it would be or should be easy to implement and premades will still play together but might find themselves on the opposing team.
Because the Devs don't have the resources or desire to balance the sides based on GS. If it hasn't been done 1.5yrs into the game (and countless threads on the subject) it is not going to be done.
Many of us would like to see more balanced fun matches.
You would think, and I do think the majority of premade PvPers like a challenge, but there are lots who don't, they want the easy button. These people are the first to quit a match when they might accrue some deaths or a loss. The PvP guilds are here to feed egos, not to make a fair environment.
Uhm no. That's you against the world right there.
Interesting point of view right here
this explains it all
I had all these problems too, decided there is only 1 way to ease the pain, i slowly made all classes and take the actual favorites to the match.
This is ridiculous i know, but this way i can spare myself a lot of anger and rage.
I do go with the others to PVP too, but only on double rewards day from the Lord.
Of course this doesn't solve the balance and matchmaking issues, cause some of my toons are higher, some lower geared and as we all know matchmaking drops us into out of the world brackets.
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Assuming gcrush is the main source of balancing, he has been busy with the Paladin and the new level cap for quite some time. No wonder we're not getting anything M5-related looked at.
There is this "PVP surprise" looming and I personally would think it has something to do with the queue system. But that's about it until M6.
Next?
Endgame PVE has been dead for months
That campfire wouldn't happen to be in tiamat, would it?
Yep and I also think gearscore should have a bigger impact on matchmaking and lastly, premades shouldn't really be facing pugs
Considering im only 46, i very much doubt it lol
The funny thing is. When they introduced Tenacity they said their goal was to get away from these one-shot rotations and playstyles where the attacked player has no chance fighting back. Two mods later, they still haven't achieved it. Or at least moved away from their goal again.
You are forgetting that with increased levels at wills, encounters, and dailies also gain more damage.
i gave up. its just not good. very low skill cap, gs plays to much and some really dumb mechs. the pvp gear itself sux in pvp. no real reason to do it, devs way to slow on fixes. its just bad. no way around it. which sucks.
this by x100000! and what's even more hilarious is the high end pvp-ers think they got skills.....LULZ. this is a game of BUILDS AND GEARS. pvp here never required the tiniest amount of skills.
WTB Class Reroll please