I wouldn't consider third place, after 8 other classes have been released making it more an unofficial 11th place, as extremely popular. They are also one of the only classes that has generated direct opposition. You don't often hear anyone going boo to Druids or Bards. But there is a significant segment of D&D players who would rather not see monks at all.
After all, I didn't write that article.
On the contrary, I hear lots of people bad mouth bards. Lots. It still has merit as a class of course.
Druids not so much, but lets hope they make that class a shifter and not a generic yawn caster.
Fact is, there are lots of players that have peeves about a particular class, and they will continue to troll and rant about it.
The polls don't lie however. LOTS of people vote for monk, so in fact it is quite popular. If people hated monks to the extent that you or that guy suggest, why would people create whole games based on martial arts? Monk = $$$ that's why.
For the sake of all that is good and decent in the world, please make it the Druid. I have been waiting since launch for the Druid, only to be thwarted again and again by classes, though interesting, far less fun and imaginative than a Druid. I want an animal companion, a heal or two, plants and animals, and a polymorph, I want to be all that is good about a Druid. Please don't shaft us 'naturists' again. Why is the Druid always the one to be sidelined....:rolleyes: Then Bard...please.
Everyone's been saying druid for a long time, despite the fact Cryptic clearly wasn't done with the PHB1. But saying the druid isn't boring, I find that to be a serious gaff there. All a druid is is a glorified cleric that focuses on nature instead of a symbol. And if they make it like the WoW druid, that becomes even more boring. Since druids are primarily controllers in 4e, that's the best I see out of them with maybe a ranger like ability that lets them shift forms but druid shifting would be a nerf post specific power levels anyways, not a buff to powers, and like WoW, becomes a bit silly when your look is that of an animal constantly while doing whatever it is you do as an animal.
If I were to pick an actually interesting class, it would be the monk, that would actually bring something different to the table, but that is unlikely since that is a PHB3 class. And Barbarian would be a difficult one since that's essentially the great weapon fighter.
Everyone's been saying druid for a long time, despite the fact Cryptic clearly wasn't done with the PHB1. But saying the druid isn't boring, I find that to be a serious gaff there. All a druid is is a glorified cleric that focuses on nature instead of a symbol. And if they make it like the WoW druid, that becomes even more boring. Since druids are primarily controllers in 4e, that's the best I see out of them with maybe a ranger like ability that lets them shift forms but druid shifting would be a nerf post specific power levels anyways, not a buff to powers, and like WoW, becomes a bit silly when your look is that of an animal constantly while doing whatever it is you do as an animal.
If I were to pick an actually interesting class, it would be the monk, that would actually bring something different to the table, but that is unlikely since that is a PHB3 class. And Barbarian would be a difficult one since that's essentially the great weapon fighter.
True, however monk has been a prominent class in every edition except 2nd, where it was included with the scarlet brotherhood. I think it would make the most viable and unique new class. I do want to see druid too as a shifter.
Another melee fighter would only bring an outcry from Gwfs whining about their class being useless.
GWF basically IS barbarian in all but name. rage like powers, medium armour, huge two handed weapons. Actual fighters that can use 2-handers in real versions of D&D can choose any armour, including plate, while barbarian is restricted to medium, unless they want to give up a few of their class bennifits. So, no I don't see barbarian being viable, as its basically identical to GwF.
Voted Psion. And new race would be illithid, would perfectly package alongside upcoming module: Underdark.
As much as I would love Psions and Psychic Warriors, I doubt they will be added anytime soon, since again, they are a PHB3 class, and Cryptic is now just leaving PHB1, that is if they aren't doing the Warlord's class.
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This explains why posting on the forum has seemed so useless in other matters. Shall I stamp a letter? These forums are condensed feedback. If you bare them some little importance, why bother??
By the way did I hear someone saying Monk would be the next class? Cause I'd be pretty happy if it was. Wink wink.
Indeed my love for Monks in Neverwinter is great enough that if you check out my signature, there's a relatively detailed overview of what a monk might look like in Neverwinter.
Bard should be the next class. 3/4 warriors - gf, gwf, and hr (+op). 2 priests dc and op. 2 mages - cw and sw. Only 1 rogue - tr. Best option for another rogue would be bard imo. tr is basically already an assassin and acrobat as well as a thief. Some people may want druid or illusionist, but I think they can wait longer for those. Monk and barbarian would also be cool, but as I already stated, there are already 3/4 warrior classes. (Monk w/ claws or staff as weapon, barbarian axe or hammer-wielder)
I used to play Bard in Rift and SwordSinger in Lineage 2. It was always a support class. I wouldnt expect any interesting play style from this class but it will probably have some very strong supporting abilities.
No freaking idea what they're like in the newer editions, but SPOONY BARDS used to be the near epitome of a "support class" in PnP. Beyond their buffy sing-songs they basically boiled down to "jack of all trades master of none" after all.
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They can always give bard a little heavier damage to qualify as an equal to trickster rogue. In original AD&D, they were part fighter, part mage, part thief. I'm not sure if the Skald sub-class does higher damage, as I haven't played pen-and-paper D&D beyond the 2nd edition. I can say that I had a lot fun with the troubador class in Everquest 2 though.
They can always give bard a little heavier damage to qualify as an equal to trickster rogue. In original AD&D, they were part fighter, part mage, part thief. I'm not sure if the Skald sub-class does higher damage, as I haven't played pen-and-paper D&D beyond the 2nd edition. I can say that I had a lot fun with the troubador class in Everquest 2 though.
Bard's, in 4e, are leaders, basically they would be buff bots similar to a cleric. I dunno if they would be healers, per se, but they would probably have some sort of "inspirational" healing effect. It would be interesting and nice to hear lute plinking or flute playing over the jingle of cleric and paladin effects.
Bard's, in 4e, are leaders, basically they would be buff bots similar to a cleric. I dunno if they would be healers, per se, but they would probably have some sort of "inspirational" healing effect. It would be interesting and nice to hear lute plinking or flute playing over the jingle of cleric and paladin effects.
While devoted clerics are leaders/healers, they do seem to do a lot of damage as well. I thought they were the easiest class to play in Neverwinter before paladin was introduced.
While devoted clerics are leaders/healers, they do seem to do a lot of damage as well. I thought they were the easiest class to play in Neverwinter before paladin was introduced.
You must be new, because pre mod 6 hahaha, no. Cleric DPS was sad. But that still doesn't mean a Bard can't do damage either.
You must be new, because pre mod 6 hahaha, no. Cleric DPS was sad. But that still doesn't mean a Bard can't do damage either.
No, I played for a little over 2 weeks in the summer, then started again in February of this year. Played dc to lvl 16 b4 mod 6. B4 that I'd tried every class but sw. I just thought everything was easier w/ dc than the other classes. Until I one-shotted bosses with the paladin daily.
No, I played for a little over 2 weeks in the summer, then started again in February of this year. Played dc to lvl 16 b4 mod 6. B4 that I'd tried every class but sw. I just thought everything was easier w/ dc than the other classes. Until I one-shotted bosses with the paladin daily.
Your survival will depend on how well you actually play your class, but low levels its not exactly a good measurement of how strong a class will be. Not to mention the one damage daily paladins have is being nerfed with this update anyways, since some people were abusing its mechanic.
Later levels you will probably look on in awe when you see some decent DPS toons tripling your damage output as a paladin
Your survival will depend on how well you actually play your class, but low levels its not exactly a good measurement of how strong a class will be. Not to mention the one damage daily paladins have is being nerfed with this update anyways, since some people were abusing its mechanic.
Later levels you will probably look on in awe when you see some decent DPS toons tripling your damage output as a paladin
I suppose you're right about the lower levels. But my paladin is only my only lvl 70 atm, and yes, I do see that the damage is not so great now. As far as nerfing the paladin daily, I'm really not sure how they let that get past play-testing.
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On the contrary, I hear lots of people bad mouth bards. Lots. It still has merit as a class of course.
Druids not so much, but lets hope they make that class a shifter and not a generic yawn caster.
Fact is, there are lots of players that have peeves about a particular class, and they will continue to troll and rant about it.
The polls don't lie however. LOTS of people vote for monk, so in fact it is quite popular. If people hated monks to the extent that you or that guy suggest, why would people create whole games based on martial arts? Monk = $$$ that's why.
Everyone's been saying druid for a long time, despite the fact Cryptic clearly wasn't done with the PHB1. But saying the druid isn't boring, I find that to be a serious gaff there. All a druid is is a glorified cleric that focuses on nature instead of a symbol. And if they make it like the WoW druid, that becomes even more boring. Since druids are primarily controllers in 4e, that's the best I see out of them with maybe a ranger like ability that lets them shift forms but druid shifting would be a nerf post specific power levels anyways, not a buff to powers, and like WoW, becomes a bit silly when your look is that of an animal constantly while doing whatever it is you do as an animal.
If I were to pick an actually interesting class, it would be the monk, that would actually bring something different to the table, but that is unlikely since that is a PHB3 class. And Barbarian would be a difficult one since that's essentially the great weapon fighter.
GWF community would really need that.
Then we avoid that situation that an offtank character has to buffed to be the best dps in the game...
True, however monk has been a prominent class in every edition except 2nd, where it was included with the scarlet brotherhood. I think it would make the most viable and unique new class. I do want to see druid too as a shifter.
GWF basically IS barbarian in all but name. rage like powers, medium armour, huge two handed weapons. Actual fighters that can use 2-handers in real versions of D&D can choose any armour, including plate, while barbarian is restricted to medium, unless they want to give up a few of their class bennifits. So, no I don't see barbarian being viable, as its basically identical to GwF.
They do that all the time. What difference would it make?
As much as I would love Psions and Psychic Warriors, I doubt they will be added anytime soon, since again, they are a PHB3 class, and Cryptic is now just leaving PHB1, that is if they aren't doing the Warlord's class.
This explains why posting on the forum has seemed so useless in other matters. Shall I stamp a letter? These forums are condensed feedback. If you bare them some little importance, why bother??
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By the way did I hear someone saying Monk would be the next class? Cause I'd be pretty happy if it was. Wink wink.
Indeed my love for Monks in Neverwinter is great enough that if you check out my signature, there's a relatively detailed overview of what a monk might look like in Neverwinter.
Complete:
- The Monk - http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?865991-The-Monk-A-Relatively-Detailed-Proposal-for-a-New-Class
Under Work:
- The Primal Totemist
- The Wild Sorcerer
- The Summoning Binder
You can probably find a passable imitation at a biker bar. :v
or any number of GwF in PE atm.
Mine isn't hairy though. Not sure about big, but at least she isn't a Halfling.
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That should be a given, seeing as how music and singing have always been pretty central to the class abilitites. :v
Or perhaps a new class the "Politician" who does less as he levels up but gains enormous amounts of RAD.
Bard's, in 4e, are leaders, basically they would be buff bots similar to a cleric. I dunno if they would be healers, per se, but they would probably have some sort of "inspirational" healing effect. It would be interesting and nice to hear lute plinking or flute playing over the jingle of cleric and paladin effects.
While devoted clerics are leaders/healers, they do seem to do a lot of damage as well. I thought they were the easiest class to play in Neverwinter before paladin was introduced.
You must be new, because pre mod 6 hahaha, no. Cleric DPS was sad. But that still doesn't mean a Bard can't do damage either.
No, I played for a little over 2 weeks in the summer, then started again in February of this year. Played dc to lvl 16 b4 mod 6. B4 that I'd tried every class but sw. I just thought everything was easier w/ dc than the other classes. Until I one-shotted bosses with the paladin daily.
Your survival will depend on how well you actually play your class, but low levels its not exactly a good measurement of how strong a class will be. Not to mention the one damage daily paladins have is being nerfed with this update anyways, since some people were abusing its mechanic.
Later levels you will probably look on in awe when you see some decent DPS toons tripling your damage output as a paladin
I suppose you're right about the lower levels. But my paladin is only my only lvl 70 atm, and yes, I do see that the damage is not so great now. As far as nerfing the paladin daily, I'm really not sure how they let that get past play-testing.