This was changed before live cause before the last preview patch on the 13 it was a 2% weapon dmg heal this was a change un mentioned in the patch notes.
You basically just admitted you don't have a level 60 on the main server and everything you know about the class was an outdated build on the preview server. Of course I only had a 54 SW before rerolling a TR. So we are really both unqualified to make any claims. You just happen to shoot yourself in the foot before I did.
You basically just admitted you don't have a level 60 on the main server and everything you know about the class was an outdated build on the preview server. Of course I only had a 54 SW before rerolling a TR. So we are really both unqualified to make any claims. You just happen to shoot yourself in the foot before I did.
Sigh i didn't shoot my self in the foot you troll and that was the only change to damnation sense the last patch i change unfortunately i didn't realize
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Sigh i didn't shoot my self in the foot you troll and that was the only change to damnation sense the last patch i change unfortunately i didn't realize
Right, you have a level 60 but somehow managed to not realize a feat had been changed in the tree you were so fervently defending. You shot yourself in the foot and you are just as guilty of trolling as me.
Right, you have a level 60 but somehow managed to not realize a feat had been changed in the tree you were so fervently defending. You shot yourself in the foot and you are just as guilty of trolling as me.
To my own defense i rushed though the tree while lvlin up my SW i usually dont take a second look once i already have a build locked in my head other then that. Every thing i said in the thread still holds for fury. And if you not going to finish lvling up your own SW and try out fury spec first hand pvp wise i am just plain done with this you still lack hands on experience with high end pvp try that firts then come back and argue about Fury being viable or not.
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To my own defended i rushed though the tree while lvlin up my SW i usually dont take a second look once i already have a build locked in my head other then that. Every thing i said in the thread still holds for fury. And if you not going to finish lvling up your own SW and try out fury spec first hand pvp wise i am just plain done with this you still lack hands on experience with high end pvp try that firts then come back and argue about Fury being viable or not.
My SW used damnation and I was thoroughly unimpressed with its PVP ability. My damage was average at best for a damage dealer and I could not get away from people. My only options were to stay away from the fight and try to pick people off or go in to the fight hoping nobody came after me.
My SW used damnation and I was thoroughly unimpressed with its PVP ability. My damage was average at best for a damage dealer and I could not get away from people.
Go Respec PvP on fury and see how much of a nightmare you have then
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Go Respec PvP on fury and see how much of a nightmare you have then
I already deleted it. PVPing up to 54 was enough to make me realize a warlock will not be good at pvp no matter the build. Problem with damnation is it does not play to any of the warlocks strengths of ****ting out damage or life steal and temp HP. So you end up running around like a chicken with your head cut off. Problem with the other trees is that they still come with the inherent flaw of not being able to escape from people.
I already deleted it. PVPing up to 54 was enough to make me realize a warlock will not be good at pvp no matter the build. Problem with damnation is it does not play to any of the warlocks strengths of ****ting out damage or life steal and temp HP. So you end up running around like a chicken with your head cut off.
Then that is a learn to play problem on you part your in crappy gear from 1 to 59 and there are twinks that flood the lower lvl arenas but sense you don't play SW any more we are official done with this conversation and i will see you on the flip side or not
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Honestly, just don't feed the troll anymore. He feels good that he finally ended up trolling you after a half dozen pages or so if his own failed trolling. Let him whine and QQ that Warlocks bite at pvp. Well be here, just like when people said the HR would suck when it came out, to know if its good or not .
I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
Honestly, just don't feed the troll anymore. He feels good that he finally ended up trolling you after a half dozen pages or so if his own failed trolling. Let him whine and QQ that Warlocks bite at pvp. Well be here, just like when people said the HR would suck when it came out, to know if its good or not .
Same thing will happen to the SW as happened to the HR. It's bad when it comes out then gets buffed and starts to dominate. The HAMSTER will come in saying the HR was always good because they were dominating pvp after they got buffed. Then they get nerfed. My bet is the SW fury tree damage will be buffed until it outdpss everything.
Then that is a learn to play problem on you part your in crappy gear from 1 to 59 and there are twinks that flood the lower lvl arenas but sense you don't play SW any more we are official done with this conversation and i will see you on the flip side or not
The funny thing is you lost an argument to someone who has never had a level 60 SW.
Same thing will happen to the SW as happened to the HR. It's bad when it comes out then gets buffed and starts to dominate. The HAMSTER will come in saying the HR was always good because they were dominating pvp after they got buffed. Then they get nerfed. My bet is the SW fury tree damage will be buffed until it outdpss everything.
Nice try. The HR was claimed to suck in pvp when it came out. The non experienced couldn't have been wronger. It was awesome and complained about since it came out, and has been tweaked since. The rooting mechanic stopped GWFs, CA stopped CWs/DCs, Thorn Ward kept permastealth at bay. People QQed for the nerfbat for HRs since they came out. Nice try, troll .
I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
Nice try. The HR was claimed to suck in pvp when it came out. The non experienced couldn't have been wronger. It was awesome and complained about since it came out, and has been tweaked since. The rooting mechanic stopped GWFs, CA stopped CWs/DCs, Thorn Ward kept permastealth at bay. People QQed for the nerfbat for HRs since they came out. Nice try, troll .
The funny thing is you lost an argument to someone who has never had a level 60 SW.
I was Not trying to win any argument you did however prove you have no experience outside of your fails attempts at the damnation path SW other then that i really have nothing more to say. You think because fury is high DPS path its the best pvp path yet you have no idea how fury capstone works if you fails to abe able to kill something as a damnation warlock and you lvl 54 and you have access to its best skill WB WS and Killing flames at that point dose monstrous dmg. This is total L2P problem on your part
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I was Not trying to win any argument you did however prove you have no experience outside of your fails attempts at the damnation path SW other then that i really have nothing more to say. You think because fury is high DPS path its the best pvp path yet you have no idea how fury capstone works if you fails to abe able to kill something as a damnation warlock and you lvl 54 and you have access to its best skill WB WS and Killing flames at that point dose monstrous dmg. This is total L2P problem on your part
Sure you weren't. You just got so flustered for no reason. You'd still be flustered if I hadn't came out and said I didn't have a level 60 SW. Even your troll buddy abandoned you. Either way this discussion has gone on long enough and may as well stop.
Sure you weren't. You just got so flustered for no reason. You'd still be flustered if I hadn't came out and said I didn't have a level 60 SW. Even your troll buddy abandoned you. Either way this discussion has gone on long enough and may as well stop.
Not flustered at all quite amused actually your trying to win a argument game like a some silly child i mean you sincerely trying to win something you thought was a argument. Personally i was thinking you were to thick headed then when you said you quite the class i realized your just a quitter who was complaining about nothing but his own lack of skill at PvP so he blames class mechanics he didn't understand and a the tree hes in and called it bad cause he cant kills fast enough in it.Blame every thing on CC kids Every one in the gwf threads crying about there class but still playing it. In fact yeah were done good day kid you then had gull to talk about 2 other paths you absolutely have zero hands on experience in now that's funny.
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Not flustered at all quite amused actually your trying to win a argument game like a some silly child i mean you sincerely trying to win something you thought was a argument. Personally i was thinking you were to thick headed then when you said you quite the class i realized your just a quitter who was complaining about nothing but his own lack of skill at PvP so he blames class mechanics he didn't understand and a the tree hes in and called it bad cause he cant kills fast enough in it.Blame every thing on CC kids Every one in the gwf threads crying about there class but still playing it. In fact yeah were done good day kid you then had gull to talk about 2 other paths you absolutely have zero hands on experience in now that's funny.
You were flustered and knew you were losing the argurment.
Syphoning Curse: When a cursed target is killed the slayer of that target is healed for 2% of your weapon dmg.
Relentless Curse: When a target affected by warlocks curse is killed a nearby targets has a 20%/40%/60%/80%/100% chance to be affected with a lesser curse
I can see how a moron can confuse the two with this i am done cause i have ben sitting here arguing with one
You really think being healed for 2% of your weapon dmg is something to shake a tail feather Damnation cant heal other people like teamtation can and stop throwing that ****ting feat in my face 2% of you weapon dmg 2% of are low end weapon dmg. Look whos nit picking now hey all imma main heal with 2% of my weapon dmg every time you guys kills a cursed target. can that even be considered a heal wait it can heal flea bites that's what ill use it for. After reading that trait do you really think any one would pick it. its embarrassing to even think of that trait as being somewhat good who the **** is wasting 5 points on a horrible healing trait who let me ask would you pick it. the only reason you even think about picking that is to heal the puppet but the thing as so much ****ing health its still a 5 point wast
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Wow now that's pretty childish and petty right there
What do you expect from a internet warrior common sense or integrity
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But with out said troll i would have never bothered to re look at that SW feat now i can Upgrade My guide accordingly he at least did me a happy favor there
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Wow, you don't really understand mechanics at all, do you troll? The rooting was QQ about until it was nerfed to uselessness because it worked on a certain class that ignored CC almost 100% of the time(wink wink GWF ). It was changed, HRs adapted, we got over it. Then there was (primarily) CWs QQing about CA(at least the ones who refused to adapt). It was nerfed, HRs adapted, we got over it. then Pathfinders went with a deflect build with pvp set, players QQed about it, it got changed. It's being changed, HRs adapt, well get over it. You see the trend here?
No matter how much QQing goes on, a class can and will adapt.
But it just goes to show you your inexperience, and continued failed trolling. HRs enjoyed a healthy spot in pvp since it came out, and people who believe otherwise have either not played pvp much, or haven't rolled one.
I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
Wow now that's pretty childish and petty right there
Sure. Name calling and ad hominems are the pinnacle of politeness. Calling someone out on it? Truly the hitler of the internet. They completely abandoned fact based arguments are now just resorting to personal attacks. It's clear who came out on top in the discussion.
This is my last post entirely in this thread. Not going to bother checking it again. Feel free to continue the childish name calling and personal attacks if you want.
Sure. Name calling and ad hominems are the pinnacle of politeness. Calling someone out on it? Truly the hitler of the internet. They completely abandoned fact based arguments are now just resorting to personal attacks. It's clear who came out on top in the discussion.
This is my last post entirely in this thread. Not going to bother checking it again. Feel free to continue the childish name calling and personal attacks if you want.
Seriously, do you really think you're fooling anyone? The name calling and attempted trolling originated from YOU in this discussion in the first place! You have been shown facts and valid arguments contradicting your failed logic.
Yes, you came out on bottom of this discussion, and the faster you quit trying to troll, we can get back on topic. Learn from your failings, and quit trolling(albeit horribly).
I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
Why is it so Impossible to have any kind of real discussion about PvP and classes? If someone is talking about your class, don't take it personally. They aren't talking about you.
Yet, as soon as a debate starts it focuses attention from game/class/mechanic/build to random flaming and fuming between people.
Accept that not everyone will agree with you ever. Know what you think and believe. Bring facts with you to back up your points.
And remember, the forums are for discussion - not heated debates where neither side will try and find a compromise or even attempt to listen to anything that was said.
So Soul Puppets can be used intelligently. I think that is great. Have you never seen a combat TR dance around his BnS dummy to have the same effect? I used to do that all the time. It is the same idea. Get used to continually moving in PvP and it won't be that big of a problem.
I do agree that it is annoying at times, but it really isn't all that big of a problem.
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thats why they exist, to annoy, IF they are doing their job its perfect, go play a bugged op class like hr and be happy...
sw seems balanced, contrary to other classes, they can do some damage but lacks CC and even having huge hp pool they lack instant survival/defense options like gwf/hr/tr/gf have.
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Sigh i didn't shoot my self in the foot you troll and that was the only change to damnation sense the last patch i change unfortunately i didn't realize
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To my own defense i rushed though the tree while lvlin up my SW i usually dont take a second look once i already have a build locked in my head other then that. Every thing i said in the thread still holds for fury. And if you not going to finish lvling up your own SW and try out fury spec first hand pvp wise i am just plain done with this you still lack hands on experience with high end pvp try that firts then come back and argue about Fury being viable or not.
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Go Respec PvP on fury and see how much of a nightmare you have then
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Then that is a learn to play problem on you part your in crappy gear from 1 to 59 and there are twinks that flood the lower lvl arenas but sense you don't play SW any more we are official done with this conversation and i will see you on the flip side or not
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The funny thing is you lost an argument to someone who has never had a level 60 SW.
Nice try. The HR was claimed to suck in pvp when it came out. The non experienced couldn't have been wronger. It was awesome and complained about since it came out, and has been tweaked since. The rooting mechanic stopped GWFs, CA stopped CWs/DCs, Thorn Ward kept permastealth at bay. People QQed for the nerfbat for HRs since they came out. Nice try, troll
I was Not trying to win any argument you did however prove you have no experience outside of your fails attempts at the damnation path SW other then that i really have nothing more to say. You think because fury is high DPS path its the best pvp path yet you have no idea how fury capstone works if you fails to abe able to kill something as a damnation warlock and you lvl 54 and you have access to its best skill WB WS and Killing flames at that point dose monstrous dmg. This is total L2P problem on your part
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Not flustered at all quite amused actually your trying to win a argument game like a some silly child i mean you sincerely trying to win something you thought was a argument. Personally i was thinking you were to thick headed then when you said you quite the class i realized your just a quitter who was complaining about nothing but his own lack of skill at PvP so he blames class mechanics he didn't understand and a the tree hes in and called it bad cause he cant kills fast enough in it.Blame every thing on CC kids Every one in the gwf threads crying about there class but still playing it. In fact yeah were done good day kid you then had gull to talk about 2 other paths you absolutely have zero hands on experience in now that's funny.
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And this is my last response in this thread. Have fun.
Wow now that's pretty childish and petty right there
What do you expect from a internet warrior common sense or integrity
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Wow, you don't really understand mechanics at all, do you troll? The rooting was QQ about until it was nerfed to uselessness because it worked on a certain class that ignored CC almost 100% of the time(wink wink GWF
No matter how much QQing goes on, a class can and will adapt.
But it just goes to show you your inexperience, and continued failed trolling. HRs enjoyed a healthy spot in pvp since it came out, and people who believe otherwise have either not played pvp much, or haven't rolled one.
This is my last post entirely in this thread. Not going to bother checking it again. Feel free to continue the childish name calling and personal attacks if you want.
Seriously, do you really think you're fooling anyone? The name calling and attempted trolling originated from YOU in this discussion in the first place! You have been shown facts and valid arguments contradicting your failed logic.
Yes, you came out on bottom of this discussion, and the faster you quit trying to troll, we can get back on topic. Learn from your failings, and quit trolling(albeit horribly).
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Yet, as soon as a debate starts it focuses attention from game/class/mechanic/build to random flaming and fuming between people.
Accept that not everyone will agree with you ever. Know what you think and believe. Bring facts with you to back up your points.
And remember, the forums are for discussion - not heated debates where neither side will try and find a compromise or even attempt to listen to anything that was said.
So Soul Puppets can be used intelligently. I think that is great. Have you never seen a combat TR dance around his BnS dummy to have the same effect? I used to do that all the time. It is the same idea. Get used to continually moving in PvP and it won't be that big of a problem.
I do agree that it is annoying at times, but it really isn't all that big of a problem.
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sw seems balanced, contrary to other classes, they can do some damage but lacks CC and even having huge hp pool they lack instant survival/defense options like gwf/hr/tr/gf have.