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erhgf
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 9 Arc User
I just finished FC with a bug found through the q system. The damage I dealt was more than all the other four together. After the final boss was killed, I was kicked before I can roll for the loot. I needed the loot since it was for my class. Nobody said anything about this being a greed run and usually bugs from the q system is need runs by default. I was in numerous runs where the other classes needed their loot even they deal minimal damage and die like flies, and I said nothing about it. I despise those who kicked me for their hideous behaviors and I hope they experience it themselves some day too.
EDIT:
1. LEGIT CHANNEL: I asked on legit channel if anyone would run FC with me, no one responded.
2. THIS IS NOT A GREED RUN: I was in numerous FC runs with parties made from the queue system. None of these pugs are greed runs. They ALWAYS grab the loot with need and I never had a problem with it until now, when an item I have been waiting for actually dropped for me, I got kicked. This enrages me because it feels like I was fooled this whole time. So if a drop is not for my class, others can roll need, while if it's for my class I get kicked for rolling need? So I never get to receive a loot from the final boss? Wow! This is the most f'ed up logic I ever heard.
3. I AM EXPERIENCED: As I mentioned above, the damage I dealt was more than the total of the other four people on my team. It is not that I'm unfamiliar with the greed/need system, but that there's no such system in pugs you get from the queue system. I know that many of you are trying to help, but I highly doubt that you read my post through.
4. WE CANNOT CHANGE LOOT OPTIONS AFTER ENTERING A DUNGEON: This is why getting a pug from the queue system does not allow the luxury of changing to round robin.
Possible solutions to this:
1. Disable kicking after final boss is killed if the vote kicked person is among the top 4 of any charts, this should fix the issue of strange people coming in, did nothing and want to roll for the final loot;
or
2. Allow kicking but allow the kicked person to participate in the loot roll if the vote kicked person is among the top 4 of any charts. This solution is not as good as the one above since this one will still cause the kicked person lose his/her chest;
or
3. Set the default loot option of all pugs from the q system to GREED ONLY, or RANDOM DROPS;
or
4. Add the default loot option of GREED ONLY and RANDOM DROPS and prompt the team to vote change the loot option before the final boss fight.
The easiest to implement should be the first one. With so many people being the victim of vote kicking for nothing, I strongly hope that a change can be made so that it will be harder for people to abuse this system.
EDIT:
1. LEGIT CHANNEL: I asked on legit channel if anyone would run FC with me, no one responded.
2. THIS IS NOT A GREED RUN: I was in numerous FC runs with parties made from the queue system. None of these pugs are greed runs. They ALWAYS grab the loot with need and I never had a problem with it until now, when an item I have been waiting for actually dropped for me, I got kicked. This enrages me because it feels like I was fooled this whole time. So if a drop is not for my class, others can roll need, while if it's for my class I get kicked for rolling need? So I never get to receive a loot from the final boss? Wow! This is the most f'ed up logic I ever heard.
3. I AM EXPERIENCED: As I mentioned above, the damage I dealt was more than the total of the other four people on my team. It is not that I'm unfamiliar with the greed/need system, but that there's no such system in pugs you get from the queue system. I know that many of you are trying to help, but I highly doubt that you read my post through.
4. WE CANNOT CHANGE LOOT OPTIONS AFTER ENTERING A DUNGEON: This is why getting a pug from the queue system does not allow the luxury of changing to round robin.
Possible solutions to this:
1. Disable kicking after final boss is killed if the vote kicked person is among the top 4 of any charts, this should fix the issue of strange people coming in, did nothing and want to roll for the final loot;
or
2. Allow kicking but allow the kicked person to participate in the loot roll if the vote kicked person is among the top 4 of any charts. This solution is not as good as the one above since this one will still cause the kicked person lose his/her chest;
or
3. Set the default loot option of all pugs from the q system to GREED ONLY, or RANDOM DROPS;
or
4. Add the default loot option of GREED ONLY and RANDOM DROPS and prompt the team to vote change the loot option before the final boss fight.
The easiest to implement should be the first one. With so many people being the victim of vote kicking for nothing, I strongly hope that a change can be made so that it will be harder for people to abuse this system.
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Greed is the default roll. Rolling need without asking first is kinda mean and sounds like you just needed to sell the item.
Consider that the bosses are dropping ADs, not items.
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A way to set up a run by voting to make loot rolls 'greed only' should be implemented.
Additionally, vote kicks should require 3 votes to kick or else they fail.
why shouldn't he hit need if he actually need the item? That's really stupid.
You were most likely kicked because you didn't follow the need/greed rules set forth by the party.
Nobody kicks a person to get a 5% increased chance of obtaining a 5k diamond loot.
The fact this is still a topic of debate really shows how little cryptic cares about it's non-profit portions of the game.
Fair point... then use the "tag" system like WoW uses... you hit if first, the loot is yours.
Greatly favors ranged aoe.
Seriously none of this is the answer.
First don't let kicks while in combat, 30 secs after combat, or while loot is being rolled on.
Next set up more loot modes at the party leaders discretion,
Need/Greed -- Current
Free for All -- Just what it sounds like, first to click
Master Looter -- loot goes to one person who's job is to distribute it
Round Robin -- loot cycles thru the party
Also set a level for it. For instance I could set it where only green or above follows the need/greed rules as currently, or I could set it where blue and above does and greens would act like white items currently do.
Man I dont want to run with you then lol
if Im doing AD runs i don;t want to waste my time with needers.... Greed or get out I say.. if the person needs it they should ask for the item most of the time if i look at their gear and see they need it I will pass and let them have otherwise ,,why should I let them make money off a need that I could have had a chance to make AD from. sorry but i see as your the greedy person not the one your replying to.
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I agree. "Need' is the default action - simple!
People are going to become frustrated, and some may even quit, if they deal with being wrongly kicked . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
It is obvious that "need" is the default - it is the first selection. Hitting "greed" seems more greedy, hence the name, "greed." Your argument is not logical.
No one has time to get into some discussion about who needs it more - that's kinda silly, especially if time is important to you (and it is to me).
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Happend to me at the anniversary event. Right after the last boss went down the grp leader kicked everyone from the party before a chest could be reached. In the forced chat i had with him after that he admitted to have done it for pure fun. To annoy other player.
that is why i second that opinion to block the kick option after a boss is down.
Of course i reported the players behaviour via ticket and i hope that these kind of players are getting at least a warning email from the GMs....
If you think you are the only one entitled to that choice picec at the end , then you should get kicked every time....
Should really think about what you say is stupid...you are projecting.
I'd agree to this.
OP, just take that as a learning experience on what to do in dungeons next time. Hey, everyone starts out as a beginner slowly gaining experience.
Any item thats under 15k isnt a need item, anyone can roll that much AD in one day and buy it, any item of significant value should be greed anyways, sorry if you want it for your class, but the group got together for everyone to chance on these items.
Heck EVERYONE always needs a greater mark of potency. The only item you really would "want" is your t2 item for your class your playing, but frankly, just run that particular t2 multiple times and you will get it. Everyone else in the group should have a oppurtunity to roll for it.
AGAIN the issue is you CANNOT force the system to roll either a greed all or need all, it needs this and this will fix every issue we are complaining about.
There are too many selfish players who would ninja need on a item not to allow the kicking and there are too many people willing to kick players to get a item.
NO dropping kick vote until they fix the system to allow a greed only run.
You cannot lock out a kick vote either, there are trolls in this game who would throw a boss fight just to get you to leave as well.
See there are multiple issues to deal with. Legit allows name calling in channel for multiple need offenders and or/trolls. You ignore them and move on with life.
This puts some onus back on the community as well and some judgement on players who are overly selfish.
oh please.. this is calling those who are willing to give up thier 100% chance of a item to a 1 out of 5 chance greedy? No way, they are the unselfish ones, what you are describing is only a select few will profit.
This is the antithesis of what the game needs.
I do that mostly for the sake of simplicity. However, I hate that system, and let me explain why:
1. Need run - Let's assume there's five players in a party, and each of them is of different class. There are six types of classes in total, for the time being. An item drops. Since there are six classes, let's assume the chance of dropping an item for your class is 16.6% (100% chance of dropping an item / 6 classes = 16.6%), which means that there is 16.6% chance that you will be able to choose need, and ultimately get the item. There is also a chance of 16.6% that an item will be of sixth class which is not present in the party, so everyone can choose only greed (assuming no one wants to pass), so when you divide that 16.6% by 5, you get another 3.3% chance of getting an item. When you add that 3.3% chance to your 16.6% chance of choosing need, you have a total of 20% chance of getting an item.
2. Greed run - Let's assume there's five players in a party. An item drops, but this time everyone chooses greed, which means that everyone has a 20% chance of getting that item. Plain and simple.
So, they are basically the same thing, right? Wrong. We assumed that all classes have equal chance of getting an item drop for their own class, but we all know that is not the case, at least not in some dungeons, or at some bosses. Truth to be told, I would still prefer need run over the greed run, since I wouldn't have to worry about dishonest people and kicking from the party or choosing need after everyone has already chosen greed, yet I still insist on greed runs, since I neither have the time nor the will to explain all of this to every single person. However, people can still be kicked in a need run, so the problem is still not solved, only minimized.
So, what's the solution to this mess?
There are few possible solutions, and one of them is already present - Round Robin. Everyone has the same 20% chance of getting an item, and there's the end to that story. It eliminates the whole need/greed issue.
The only thing I would like to change, however, is the very thing most of you have been discussing here - disabling the option to kick during and after the boss fights for a short period of time (the period should be the same as the one on the countdown meter), as well as implementing a system which will force the party to agree on loot system before the run begins, and not leaving it to the will of randomly picked leader (which is an issue of it's own).
You are in a random match, all 5 signed up for a random chance at the gear.
Regardless of whether they need it or not , they spent the same amount of time grinding the dungeon and deserve the same chance at the payoff, even if it is only a few k unrefined AD.
You thinking that simply because your classes equip dropped makes you entitled to it above the other 4 in group is greedy.
If you want to grind gear , don't do it in a PUG. Get a group and make sure your the only one of your class that needs the gear.
Don't hop in a pug match and start needing stuff and not expected to get booted. They are all there for the same thing as you.
The loot system does entitle him. The loot system that does not is not called "greed", but Round Robin.