I didn't see any mention of this in the patch notes or dev replies, but fox shift now requires a target.
There goes a nice utility against TRs.
nice utility? you can kill a tr just if you hit him with costricting and fox shift while he is not in itc.
its really a fair fight (more or less) now but with the nerfs to costricting, fox shift, bonus set, healing bonus etc etc you will now 80% die to good trs.
With the recent change to Fox Shift requiring a target to fire, it has given us a considerable disadvantage against TRs contesting a node. Please reconsider if this is actually needed. With all the current changes to the HR class, we were already losing big advantages we currently have on live against TRs.
Medicine to COMBAT T2 instead of Fluid Hunter -> 10% at 5 Feat Points MaxHP over 5 Seconds, can not stack, for a 'Burst Heal' Effective strength lowered by 40%
Battle Crazed from T4 to T3, instead of DURATION increase, which mainly benefits the PvP Pathfinder HR, with Careful Attack and Aimed Strike, increase the Magnitude to 20 or 25% at full stacks and 5 feat points. Or make it stack 10 times instead of 5. Its PvE where the Combat HR struggles, not PvP.
'New' Fluid Hunter in T4: Increase Deflection Severity by 4% per Feat Point -> 20% Increase
Add CC Break to Marauder, both versions, combined with a 'proper' 1 Second CC Immunity (NOT an Invulnerability Second. Damage should still apply!), with a Debuff that lasts 10-15 Seconds, and which prevents the second CC Break from the 'other' Form of Marauder to activate.
A Duration increase on Battle Crazed would mainly benefit the 'low attack rate' playstyle in PvP, but do nothing for PvE, since a 'PvE Combat HR' would be using the rather fast casting skills Split Strike, Clear the Ground or Rapid Strike, so the increased duration wouldn't do any good. And a bigger magnitude instead would also benefit the 'low attack rate' playstyle since it would give a higher return during the time where it is up.
This is pretty much 100% correct. AND what a TON of ppl in this thread all agreed upon BOTH HR and NON HR alike! - That should tell you something.
The only change id make is since WM is moving to T2, AND HR gaining deflect severity, WM should probably be toned down even more (gotta think of all the +healing available this new mod now as well via DB race/boons and artifacts).
So MY summary would be here:
1) Wilds Medicine moved to COMBAT T2 instead of Fluid Hunter. It NOW heals 1.5/3/4.5/6/7.5% Max HP over 5 Seconds, can not stack, for a 'Burst Heal'.
2) Battle Crazed from T4 to T3. increase the Magnitude to 20 or 25% at full stacks.
3) 'New' Fluid Hunter in T4: Increase Deflection Severity by 4% per Feat Point -> 20% Increase
4) Add CC Break to Marauder, both versions, combined with a 'proper' 1 Second CC Immunity (NOT an Invulnerability Second. Damage should still apply!), with a Debuff that lasts 10-15 Seconds, and which prevents the second CC Break from the 'other' Form of Marauder to activate.
We dont have to all agree on specifics, but atleast the direction or flavor of what needs to change I think we all agree on.
1) Wilds Medicine moved to COMBAT T2 instead of Fluid Hunter. It NOW heals 1.5/3/4.5/6/7.5% Max HP over 5 Seconds, can not stack, for a 'Burst Heal'.
2) Battle Crazed from T4 to T3. increase the Magnitude to 20 or 25% at full stacks.
3) 'New' Fluid Hunter in T4: Increase Deflection Severity by 4% per Feat Point -> 20% Increase
4) Add CC Break to Marauder, both versions, combined with a 'proper' 1 Second CC Immunity (NOT an Invulnerability Second. Damage should still apply!), with a Debuff that lasts 10-15 Seconds, and which prevents the second CC Break from the 'other' Form of Marauder to activate.
We dont have to all agree on specifics, but atleast the direction or flavor of what needs to change I think we all agree on.
Agree with you on this. Id say also that we need
Scything Blades: The Ranger deals 1/2/3/4/5% more Melee AND RANGE Damage for each foe within 25 feet.
so that this affect both melee and archery. HR are supposed to be damage dealers!
5% total is not 10 % of damage and 10% of crit we had before. But it will be in synergy with class mechanic - at least combat HR will be using bow sometimes in close combat - and with all other feets from combat tree. I even ready to give up on WM totally for that 5% or maybe 10% more base(!) weapon damage in 25 feet.
Any way this would be a Hunter Ranger I what to play!
HR is the new TR - nerfed over and over and over and over, for the sake of PvP.
I wonder what else will be sneaky nerfed from HR .
To sum up - nerfed stuff since total changes to HR feet and major class changes. My total feedback on whole changes
1. Aspect of the Serpent - announced.
2. Constructive arrow - announced . No reaction on feedback
3. Split the sky - did not see any announce or discussion
4. Disruptive shot - no announce or discussion
5. Wild Medicine - nerfed to unreachable and unusable state.
6. Fox Shift - nerfed as any TR skill
7. profound set - "fixed"
As a way to fix all the bad changes -
1. Trapper
2. Combat HR with piercing damage and - FEEDBACK - still does less damage total in compaction to live due to -10% of damage and -10% of crit on base weapon damage.
3. " 3 distinct styles of gameplay that all serve fairly different roles in combat" - now is 2 paths with only 1-2 encounter useful and limit to one stance without CC or CC braker. Trappers got some control CC - that does not work on Giants in IWD btw - but payed with damage and survival skills.
Scything Blades: The Ranger deals 1/2/3/4/5% more Melee AND RANGE Damage for each foe within 25 feet.
so that this affect both melee and archery. HR are supposed to be damage dealers!
5% total is not 10 % of damage and 10% of crit we had before. But it will be in synergy with class mechanic - at least combat HR will be using bow sometimes in close combat - and with all other feets from combat tree. I even ready to give up on WM totally for that 5% or maybe 10% more base(!) weapon damage in 25 feet.
Any way this would be a Hunter Ranger I what to play!
I wonder what else will be sneaky nerfed from HR .
To sum up - nerfed stuff since total changes to HR feet and major class changes. My total feedback on whole changes
1. Aspect of the Serpent - announced.
2. Constructive arrow - announced . No reaction on feedback
3. Split the sky - did not see any announce or discussion
4. Disruptive shot - no announce or discussion
5. Wild Medicine - nerfed to unreachable and unusable state.
6. Fox Shift - nerfed as any TR skill
7. profound set - "fixed"
As a way to fix all the bad changes -
1. Trapper
2. Combat HR with piercing damage and - FEEDBACK - still does less damage total in compaction to live due to -10% of damage and -10% of crit on base weapon damage.
3. " 3 distinct styles of gameplay that all serve fairly different roles in combat" - now is 2 paths with only 1-2 encounter useful and limit to one stance without CC or CC braker. Trappers got some control CC - that does not work on Giants in IWD btw - but payed with damage and survival skills.
Makes me sad.. gonna need to retire all 3 of my hr's =/ Like they took all the fun out of it. Agreed with above.
nice utility? you can kill a tr just if you hit him with costricting and fox shift while he is not in itc.
its really a fair fight (more or less) now but with the nerfs to costricting, fox shift, bonus set, healing bonus etc etc you will now 80% die to good trs.
Finally trs can kill hrs again and its not just a straight downhill fight for the tr.
Makes me sad.. gonna need to retire all 3 of my hr's =/ Like they took all the fun out of it. Agreed with above.
I probably will keep one with 17k GS. just because it took s*t load of time and AD to get there. But playing as melee is really boring now on preview.
I can take Auril's totem alone basically -and it takes forever to so this.
This is very specific to my build - 2.5 deflect, 2.2 defence, ~2k regen, 6k Power, 3k Crit, 2,8 AP - with stone. This does benefits in melee WM but still top WM stack I saw saw 7 stacks top. 1 tip i got it 9 someway - once in 2 hours of testing. 80% of combat is 4-5 stacks.
And boring cause damage is low at at-wills and you are limited to melee stand only pretty much. You are required to use single target melee power. Cause area powers are not always triggering flurry or if they do -you don't control where enemy it triggers at. losing 10% of critical chance and moving focus to AP and deflect is ok. But it does lowers out basic damage in melee - as 10% of crit and 10% basic damage. And we still had it low for damage class originally.
FEEDBACK
FCombar HR - So all pve combat for combat HR is very boring in general. It goes as
0. Put some areal damage from range. I use thorn since you can have 1 more melee encounter form it -very important for flurry.
1. gather 10 enemies around you.
2. press left button x100 times,
2.5 right button x10 times
3. add to it - rear clicking on encounter to trigger flurry.
Shifting does not really effect cool-down - 0.5 is ridiculous small - and most of people will not sacrifice free 5% of life steal for price of 0.5 cool-downs. And since you have a lot of enemies all over you does not really do any good job in getting away from damage. Only the big hit ones are good for dodge away from.
Changing stances[COLOR] - what made combat dynamic before - not is useless since it take forever to cool-down range powers and most of range counterparts of good melee powers is not really good now for combat HR.
- Boars hide goes away in 1 sec.
- Thorn can not be places 2.
- Fox cunning is useless with 10 atacks at once.
- Constructive is 1 second of useless stun
- Split sky - takes for ever to place - even thought you will can use it at start of combat. But price for it - you use 1 melee encounter that can trigger flurry.
- Rain of sword is so buggy now - had never triggers flurry with it. It was crazy 50% change to get it used before. Now seem even more useless power.
-Bears trap was a joke even before - now for combat HR is even more useless.Maybe somebody will use it at start of combat in someway.
Only kinda fun way to play combat HR is now - to use Mara, Fox, and your flavor of 3rd - . This will allow you to engage/disengage combat and use your range powers sometimes. But remember damage for them is very low in comparison to archer and you will not get any control as a trapper. Plus you will not benefit from life steal in range stance. This will be now 80% combat HR combination for PvP. Mostly pathfinders due to nerfs of stormstep action and Split sky and better dot damage from careful attack then from aimed strike with more synergy on double hit we have as combat.
Archer is more fun and way more damage in pve. But he is squisher that combat and relly more on distance from enemy.So benefits form archery are lost very fast due to huge amount of enemies that can engage you very fast. This is funny part - archer need to use lone wolf to get less squishy now and be able to with stand some damage before he can get away and have more distance. Im not very much good as an archer but having to loose fox cunning due to need to use mara or having both mara an fox is very costly. Price for it will be either less ways to trigger Pray - archers alpha, or more damage taken. Im still working on my archer play but I find is ok way when you have
- fox/mara -way to escape some damage or do some descent damage in melee
- thorn/rain - areal
- Binding arrow/Hindering - keep agro.
Trapper - is fun but hard or big enemies does get rooted - and as result - no damage to them) At the same time CW can easily freeze more enemies ground and do it fast. this path probably requires some control bonus as armor/artifact/weapon - maybe in this case you can get better result on agro. But bosses are control resist )
WE do need to have changes from ayroux and me implemented
- Damage and deflect severity rather then heal!
- CC bracker rather then Heal!
- Rework of enocunter to make them useful instead of nefred ones we have now!
- Range encounter benefiting from 25 feet area for combat and melee benefiting in someway for archer!
- Trapper need more damage or survival feet!
Feedback: delete this thread or actually listen to people not begging for nerfs. The CWs wanted their shard back and you gave them a whole explanation on why they couldn't but we've been asking for constricting and haven't even got a word.
Hold off on any HR changes until after mod 4 release and you have time to finish. Not sure why there is a rush to put this out in what seems to be half broken. GF seems like it is done, CW is almost finished but has some OP items that need addressed and between our feat tree's and powers, we dont seem to be complete.
I also want to ask (if anyone is listening) if the nature/buff powers need to be reworked. We lost the nature tree so these powers should be looked at to be something more in line with the trapper feat set.
I probably will keep one with 17k GS. just because it took s*t load of time and AD to get there.
I have 3 HR's with tons of ad put in also, basically made one for each feat tree and so i could have different builds. Plus I really used to have alot of fun. I have been on preview but it's not been fun and you make valid points. I wont delete them but I had thought the idea of the revamp was to make each tree more unique. At least before tenacity you could use all 3 in pvp/pve. My own personal opinion is that it almost alienated the feat tree's. Now you have to be pvp with one spec.. pve with another and maybe both on the 3rd but none of them seem to do those things well.
Thankfully CW's are more powerful than ever and GF's became crazy powerful...
Well looks like our changes our official. Not sure I understand why they would release us in this state, because it doesnt seem to be pertinent to mod 4 but here it is
FEEDBACK: PvP
- there is no alternative for PvP but Combat
- Combat feels clunky. Encounters have huge cooldowns and there is no way to reduce it any longer
- Combat gamestyle is as boring as it gets
- Constrictive Arrow as it is now is completely, fully useless. None of the versions is usable.
Suggestions:
1. VERY IMPORTANT: Please make Archery viable again in PvP. Archery has no way of surviving as of now, and the useful stuff that it had is gone in favor of insufficient damage buffs (for PvP)
2. The Constrictive nerf is too much. There needs to be middleground and balance, do not make it entirely useless.
3. The reduce cooldowns on crit/melee enc. mechanic was the most interesting thing this class had; Please bring it back. It promoted rewards for skillful play.
4. Tone down overall damage, but give back bonuses such as mentioned above for skillful execution
Conclusion:
The HR got really boring It is still kinda tanky, yet it will easily die to a CW (well, of course lol). The cooldowns are huge and there's no way getting around it. The +damage mechanics are as lazy as Assailant and Storm Spell.
We need things to be fast, and less boring, and for skill to be rewarded.
Since my HR is now going to be pretty horrible for both PVE and PVP compared to most other classes, can you please make artifacts unbound on them so we can transfer them to other classes?
Oh and I fixed your announcement of changes for you:
The trees are now Archery, Combat, and Trapper. Archery is a sniper who focuses on landing precise shots that deal incredible damage, which are useless in PVE since you need AOE damage there. Combat is a tough melee fighter who strikes with precision flurries of blows and deflects incoming damage, who once CC'ed will fold faster than a drunk Frenchman in PVP. Trapper is a hybrid who controls his foes with Grasping Roots and switches smoothly from one stance to another, getting benefits from both while staying relatively safe from harm, all the while doing no damage and basically just existing for the amusement of your teammates as they watch you hit so many buttons for so little effect.
My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
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gabrieldourdenMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,212Arc User
edited August 2014
Well, Archer is ok for PvE. The new dungeon and skirmish don´t have too many mobs and Aimed Shot is amazing with Prey. With my Archer I outdamaged everybody so far, except SW with the bugged combinations that have been fixed and in the last couple of days CWs with the new feats.
Le-Shan: HR level 80 (main)
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
Well I wish everybody to find their way as Hunter Ranger in new CW/SW/GF world.
As for me this is tomb on most interesting class in game - one that was mostly skill and proper usage of powers at its start and got nerfed to boring 3 click play.
PS and as announce sad nothing about respect or power retrain - i guess we will just get paths changes available. As for it states that dev don't care about synergy of basic feats, characteristics rolls, and build ups, powers selected and that thing that people builded their HR from level one to 3rd campaign boons just to shine in specific way- Archer, Combat or Nature. Not really something to cry about - like mentioned it will couple or more levels of overflow for powers. But changing entire style of play will be costly. Guess Ill take a break on HR for a bit.
Though i cannot comment about pvp because i dont use my ranger for it (really don't want to use that cheesy armor set on live). But i tested trapper and i really like the changes. I always preferred playing as a hybrid (stance switching) ranger and thorned roots gives me a new option (constricting arrow) for aoe. and the capstone + serpent change is great too.
Can't say much about archery. But combat was the way for pvp before so don't see what changed there. fought some HRs as another class in preview and they seem just as silly as they are now.
Since my HR is now going to be pretty horrible for both PVE and PVP compared to most other classes, can you please make artifacts unbound on them so we can transfer them to other classes?
Oh and I fixed your announcement of changes for you:
The trees are now Archery, Combat, and Trapper. Archery is a sniper who focuses on landing precise shots that deal incredible damage, which are useless in PVE since you need AOE damage there. Combat is a tough melee fighter who strikes with precision flurries of blows and deflects incoming damage, who once CC'ed will fold faster than a drunk Frenchman in PVP. Trapper is a hybrid who controls his foes with Grasping Roots and switches smoothly from one stance to another, getting benefits from both while staying relatively safe from harm, all the while doing no damage and basically just existing for the amusement of your teammates as they watch you hit so many buttons for so little effect.
Well, from as bad of perspective as it seems, I think the devs did a fine job. The only "problem" with HR live is the bugged set. Do you guys remember how was pvp before the set? For me, it was hell. I pug with a 12k HR until I got profound and it sucked hard. The fixes were made and I feel we are not that bad (except while facing cws). I think the Wilds went victorious, everyone wanted to nerf us so wildly that even Ayroux's nerf-nerf feedback started looking nice, because the comunity wanted HR to be less than garbage. I might sound too optimistic, but I think it was positive. Some stuff still needs to show up (a way to get 10 charges of WM, CC break and a decent CC form).
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epclipseingmoonMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2014
Why has combat been nerfed? Are our blades just for show now? Well looks like my two fave classes are dead yay...
Can't say much about archery. But combat was the way for pvp before so don't see what changed there. fought some HRs as another class in preview and they seem just as silly as they are now.
Actually some the more effective builds post-Pathfinder were Archery based, and there was a good mix of Archery and Combat specs in PvP with even the occasional Nature buffbot.
Now it's go Combat or go home. The very opposite of the stated aim of build diversity.
Actually some the more effective builds post-Pathfinder were Archery based, and there was a good mix of Archery and Combat specs in PvP with even the occasional Nature buffbot.
Now it's go Combat or go home. The very opposite of the stated aim of build diversity.
Combat probably pathfinder still will be top on pvp. Im curious about any possible way of using Archery build and build styles from people who know how to play it better. Is there really no chance for archer now for pvp? Also what is a better now in your opinion for archer/combat/trapper - stormwarden or pathfinder?
With this changes pretty much live now I'd like to really see if somebody have any working combination of skills and build that may work in anyway?
Trapper by my testing is useless now at all - after this chill changes for CW and CW being able to freeze to ground much more enemies and deal rediculios amount of damage to them - having trapper rooting 1-3 enemy in pve or no player in pvp with constructive and now damage still low I don't see trapper at all as playable path. Except for case - see this is what HR could be. Not to note that you really can not root giants and any big or bossy enemies - and as result not bonus damage applies
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dheffernanMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
Trapper by my testing is useless now at all - after this chill changes for CW and CW being able to freeze to ground much more enemies and deal rediculios amount of damage to them - having trapper rooting 1-3 enemy in pve or no player in pvp with constructive and now damage still low I don't see trapper at all as playable path. Except for case - see this is what HR could be. Not to note that you really can not root giants and any big or bossy enemies - and as result not bonus damage applies
From my tests the roots is just a small bonus, but the tree makes constricting arrow a decent AOE and also buffs hindering strike into a very hard hitting AOE (more than fox strike). and then theres that capstone damage buff etc. I find using hindering/constricting + rain of arrows, is quite a nice pve setup.
As for PvP i pretty much the same with most classes, having just the 1 good spec. I quite like these changes for PvE however. PvP will still be the mess it always has been.
From my tests the roots is just a small bonus, but the tree makes constricting arrow a decent AOE and also buffs hindering strike into a very hard hitting AOE (more than fox strike). and then theres that capstone damage buff etc. I find using hindering/constricting + rain of arrows, is quite a nice pve setup.
As for PvP i pretty much the same with most classes, having just the 1 good spec. I quite like these changes for PvE however. PvP will still be the mess it always has been.
Trapper is ok in PvE, except for some boss fights (Valindra, Malabog and Lostmauth) where it's way behind an archer.
I tested it with the same encounters and it works well, but when you need high single-target DPS the Trapper is lacking while the other controller-DPS (the CW) shines all time.
Le-Shan: HR level 80 (main)
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
Combat probably pathfinder still will be top on pvp. Im curious about any possible way of using Archery build and build styles from people who know how to play it better. Is there really no chance for archer now for pvp? Also what is a better now in your opinion for archer/combat/trapper - stormwarden or pathfinder?
With this changes pretty much live now I'd like to really see if somebody have any working combination of skills and build that may work in anyway?
Trapper by my testing is useless now at all - after this chill changes for CW and CW being able to freeze to ground much more enemies and deal rediculios amount of damage to them - having trapper rooting 1-3 enemy in pve or no player in pvp with constructive and now damage still low I don't see trapper at all as playable path. Except for case - see this is what HR could be. Not to note that you really can not root giants and any big or bossy enemies - and as result not bonus damage applies
I haven't tested in PvP but Archer now has no CC and no healing from set bonus, so survivability is going to be minimal. You'd have to work as a pure sniper, using ME and terrain to maintain distance and break line of sight. That won't be effective or popular with most PuGs where fighting on point is paramount. I'll probably give it a try as I'm an Archer at heart but I'm levelling a pure Combat optimised toon just in case.
Trapper is similarly not viable in PvP but there are some good PvE builds available.
Does the half damage to control-immune targets not work?
I think it does work still. Have not seen any big damage dealt to giants. At the same time it is half of the damage - that is yet not very big.
But like stated by grimah
hindering strike into a very hard hitting AOE
At the same time we lack single target damage for bosses. There might be a way to increase it with switching stances still.
About pvp - there were couple of builds based on "Aspect of serpent" before. But in mod 3 they were easily out shined by archer/constructive or combat/careful
Also one thing that is notices both for archer and trapper -we might need aofLW as our at-must feet for some of survival.
Im keep getting all argo in parties now with archer - even with 9% thread decrease from dog
And it makes me think that with changes that thread is now only bases on damage and not distance - it will be even worse. This is not in official announce but was stated by devs as a change. At the same time official announce states people what to play HR as clean archer and clean combat mostly as long as GF will be able to hold more damage with their new shield - so I would not trust announce at all.
As result - tapper will have 2 at-must feet as serpent and aofLF. or serpent and battlehonned maybe...
Any of you try working aimed strike into your build Its DoT can hit hard and i am having very good results with it
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Suggestion to change Marauder's Escape and Marauder's Rush to give CC immunity. Right now a lot of classes have been buffed to get CC immunity, while HR still seems rather weak against CC's. If we can have just this 1 skill to time it right to actually escape as the name suggest.
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nice utility? you can kill a tr just if you hit him with costricting and fox shift while he is not in itc.
its really a fair fight (more or less) now but with the nerfs to costricting, fox shift, bonus set, healing bonus etc etc you will now 80% die to good trs.
With the recent change to Fox Shift requiring a target to fire, it has given us a considerable disadvantage against TRs contesting a node. Please reconsider if this is actually needed. With all the current changes to the HR class, we were already losing big advantages we currently have on live against TRs.
This is pretty much 100% correct. AND what a TON of ppl in this thread all agreed upon BOTH HR and NON HR alike! - That should tell you something.
The only change id make is since WM is moving to T2, AND HR gaining deflect severity, WM should probably be toned down even more (gotta think of all the +healing available this new mod now as well via DB race/boons and artifacts).
So MY summary would be here:
1) Wilds Medicine moved to COMBAT T2 instead of Fluid Hunter. It NOW heals 1.5/3/4.5/6/7.5% Max HP over 5 Seconds, can not stack, for a 'Burst Heal'.
2) Battle Crazed from T4 to T3. increase the Magnitude to 20 or 25% at full stacks.
3) 'New' Fluid Hunter in T4: Increase Deflection Severity by 4% per Feat Point -> 20% Increase
4) Add CC Break to Marauder, both versions, combined with a 'proper' 1 Second CC Immunity (NOT an Invulnerability Second. Damage should still apply!), with a Debuff that lasts 10-15 Seconds, and which prevents the second CC Break from the 'other' Form of Marauder to activate.
We dont have to all agree on specifics, but atleast the direction or flavor of what needs to change I think we all agree on.
Agree with you on this. Id say also that we need
Scything Blades: The Ranger deals 1/2/3/4/5% more Melee AND RANGE Damage for each foe within 25 feet.
so that this affect both melee and archery. HR are supposed to be damage dealers!
5% total is not 10 % of damage and 10% of crit we had before. But it will be in synergy with class mechanic - at least combat HR will be using bow sometimes in close combat - and with all other feets from combat tree. I even ready to give up on WM totally for that 5% or maybe 10% more base(!) weapon damage in 25 feet.
Any way this would be a Hunter Ranger I what to play!
I wonder what else will be sneaky nerfed from HR .
To sum up - nerfed stuff since total changes to HR feet and major class changes. My total feedback on whole changes
1. Aspect of the Serpent - announced.
2. Constructive arrow - announced . No reaction on feedback
3. Split the sky - did not see any announce or discussion
4. Disruptive shot - no announce or discussion
5. Wild Medicine - nerfed to unreachable and unusable state.
6. Fox Shift - nerfed as any TR skill
7. profound set - "fixed"
As a way to fix all the bad changes -
1. Trapper
2. Combat HR with piercing damage and - FEEDBACK - still does less damage total in compaction to live due to -10% of damage and -10% of crit on base weapon damage.
3. " 3 distinct styles of gameplay that all serve fairly different roles in combat" - now is 2 paths with only 1-2 encounter useful and limit to one stance without CC or CC braker. Trappers got some control CC - that does not work on Giants in IWD btw - but payed with damage and survival skills.
Makes me sad.. gonna need to retire all 3 of my hr's =/ Like they took all the fun out of it. Agreed with above.
Finally trs can kill hrs again and its not just a straight downhill fight for the tr.
I probably will keep one with 17k GS. just because it took s*t load of time and AD to get there. But playing as melee is really boring now on preview.
I can take Auril's totem alone basically -and it takes forever to so this.
This is very specific to my build - 2.5 deflect, 2.2 defence, ~2k regen, 6k Power, 3k Crit, 2,8 AP - with stone. This does benefits in melee WM but still top WM stack I saw saw 7 stacks top. 1 tip i got it 9 someway - once in 2 hours of testing. 80% of combat is 4-5 stacks.
And boring cause damage is low at at-wills and you are limited to melee stand only pretty much. You are required to use single target melee power. Cause area powers are not always triggering flurry or if they do -you don't control where enemy it triggers at. losing 10% of critical chance and moving focus to AP and deflect is ok. But it does lowers out basic damage in melee - as 10% of crit and 10% basic damage. And we still had it low for damage class originally.
FEEDBACK
FCombar HR - So all pve combat for combat HR is very boring in general. It goes as
0. Put some areal damage from range. I use thorn since you can have 1 more melee encounter form it -very important for flurry.
1. gather 10 enemies around you.
2. press left button x100 times,
2.5 right button x10 times
3. add to it - rear clicking on encounter to trigger flurry.
Shifting does not really effect cool-down - 0.5 is ridiculous small - and most of people will not sacrifice free 5% of life steal for price of 0.5 cool-downs. And since you have a lot of enemies all over you does not really do any good job in getting away from damage. Only the big hit ones are good for dodge away from.
Changing stances[COLOR] - what made combat dynamic before - not is useless since it take forever to cool-down range powers and most of range counterparts of good melee powers is not really good now for combat HR.
- Boars hide goes away in 1 sec.
- Thorn can not be places 2.
- Fox cunning is useless with 10 atacks at once.
- Constructive is 1 second of useless stun
- Split sky - takes for ever to place - even thought you will can use it at start of combat. But price for it - you use 1 melee encounter that can trigger flurry.
- Rain of sword is so buggy now - had never triggers flurry with it. It was crazy 50% change to get it used before. Now seem even more useless power.
-Bears trap was a joke even before - now for combat HR is even more useless.Maybe somebody will use it at start of combat in someway.
Only kinda fun way to play combat HR is now - to use Mara, Fox, and your flavor of 3rd - . This will allow you to engage/disengage combat and use your range powers sometimes. But remember damage for them is very low in comparison to archer and you will not get any control as a trapper. Plus you will not benefit from life steal in range stance. This will be now 80% combat HR combination for PvP. Mostly pathfinders due to nerfs of stormstep action and Split sky and better dot damage from careful attack then from aimed strike with more synergy on double hit we have as combat.
Archer is more fun and way more damage in pve. But he is squisher that combat and relly more on distance from enemy.So benefits form archery are lost very fast due to huge amount of enemies that can engage you very fast. This is funny part - archer need to use lone wolf to get less squishy now and be able to with stand some damage before he can get away and have more distance. Im not very much good as an archer but having to loose fox cunning due to need to use mara or having both mara an fox is very costly. Price for it will be either less ways to trigger Pray - archers alpha, or more damage taken. Im still working on my archer play but I find is ok way when you have
- fox/mara -way to escape some damage or do some descent damage in melee
- thorn/rain - areal
- Binding arrow/Hindering - keep agro.
Trapper - is fun but hard or big enemies does get rooted - and as result - no damage to them) At the same time CW can easily freeze more enemies ground and do it fast. this path probably requires some control bonus as armor/artifact/weapon - maybe in this case you can get better result on agro. But bosses are control resist )
WE do need to have changes from ayroux and me implemented
- Damage and deflect severity rather then heal!
- CC bracker rather then Heal!
- Rework of enocunter to make them useful instead of nefred ones we have now!
- Range encounter benefiting from 25 feet area for combat and melee benefiting in someway for archer!
- Trapper need more damage or survival feet!
Hold off on any HR changes until after mod 4 release and you have time to finish. Not sure why there is a rush to put this out in what seems to be half broken. GF seems like it is done, CW is almost finished but has some OP items that need addressed and between our feat tree's and powers, we dont seem to be complete.
I also want to ask (if anyone is listening) if the nature/buff powers need to be reworked. We lost the nature tree so these powers should be looked at to be something more in line with the trapper feat set.
I have 3 HR's with tons of ad put in also, basically made one for each feat tree and so i could have different builds. Plus I really used to have alot of fun. I have been on preview but it's not been fun and you make valid points. I wont delete them but I had thought the idea of the revamp was to make each tree more unique. At least before tenacity you could use all 3 in pvp/pve. My own personal opinion is that it almost alienated the feat tree's. Now you have to be pvp with one spec.. pve with another and maybe both on the 3rd but none of them seem to do those things well.
Thankfully CW's are more powerful than ever and GF's became crazy powerful...
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/6008053
- there is no alternative for PvP but Combat
- Combat feels clunky. Encounters have huge cooldowns and there is no way to reduce it any longer
- Combat gamestyle is as boring as it gets
- Constrictive Arrow as it is now is completely, fully useless. None of the versions is usable.
Suggestions:
1. VERY IMPORTANT: Please make Archery viable again in PvP. Archery has no way of surviving as of now, and the useful stuff that it had is gone in favor of insufficient damage buffs (for PvP)
2. The Constrictive nerf is too much. There needs to be middleground and balance, do not make it entirely useless.
3. The reduce cooldowns on crit/melee enc. mechanic was the most interesting thing this class had; Please bring it back. It promoted rewards for skillful play.
4. Tone down overall damage, but give back bonuses such as mentioned above for skillful execution
Conclusion:
The HR got really boring
We need things to be fast, and less boring, and for skill to be rewarded.
Since my HR is now going to be pretty horrible for both PVE and PVP compared to most other classes, can you please make artifacts unbound on them so we can transfer them to other classes?
Oh and I fixed your announcement of changes for you:
The trees are now Archery, Combat, and Trapper. Archery is a sniper who focuses on landing precise shots that deal incredible damage, which are useless in PVE since you need AOE damage there. Combat is a tough melee fighter who strikes with precision flurries of blows and deflects incoming damage, who once CC'ed will fold faster than a drunk Frenchman in PVP. Trapper is a hybrid who controls his foes with Grasping Roots and switches smoothly from one stance to another, getting benefits from both while staying relatively safe from harm, all the while doing no damage and basically just existing for the amusement of your teammates as they watch you hit so many buttons for so little effect.
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
As for me this is tomb on most interesting class in game - one that was mostly skill and proper usage of powers at its start and got nerfed to boring 3 click play.
PS and as announce sad nothing about respect or power retrain - i guess we will just get paths changes available. As for it states that dev don't care about synergy of basic feats, characteristics rolls, and build ups, powers selected and that thing that people builded their HR from level one to 3rd campaign boons just to shine in specific way- Archer, Combat or Nature. Not really something to cry about - like mentioned it will couple or more levels of overflow for powers. But changing entire style of play will be costly. Guess Ill take a break on HR for a bit.
Can't say much about archery. But combat was the way for pvp before so don't see what changed there. fought some HRs as another class in preview and they seem just as silly as they are now.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
I would frame this if I could.
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Princess Amber - DC
Shieldmaiden Amber - GF
Valkyrie Amber - GWF
Huntress Amber - HR
Now it's go Combat or go home. The very opposite of the stated aim of build diversity.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Combat probably pathfinder still will be top on pvp. Im curious about any possible way of using Archery build and build styles from people who know how to play it better. Is there really no chance for archer now for pvp? Also what is a better now in your opinion for archer/combat/trapper - stormwarden or pathfinder?
With this changes pretty much live now I'd like to really see if somebody have any working combination of skills and build that may work in anyway?
Trapper by my testing is useless now at all - after this chill changes for CW and CW being able to freeze to ground much more enemies and deal rediculios amount of damage to them - having trapper rooting 1-3 enemy in pve or no player in pvp with constructive and now damage still low I don't see trapper at all as playable path. Except for case - see this is what HR could be. Not to note that you really can not root giants and any big or bossy enemies - and as result not bonus damage applies
Does the half damage to control-immune targets not work?
From my tests the roots is just a small bonus, but the tree makes constricting arrow a decent AOE and also buffs hindering strike into a very hard hitting AOE (more than fox strike). and then theres that capstone damage buff etc. I find using hindering/constricting + rain of arrows, is quite a nice pve setup.
As for PvP i pretty much the same with most classes, having just the 1 good spec. I quite like these changes for PvE however. PvP will still be the mess it always has been.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
Trapper is ok in PvE, except for some boss fights (Valindra, Malabog and Lostmauth) where it's way behind an archer.
I tested it with the same encounters and it works well, but when you need high single-target DPS the Trapper is lacking while the other controller-DPS (the CW) shines all time.
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
Trapper is similarly not viable in PvP but there are some good PvE builds available.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
But like stated by grimah
At the same time we lack single target damage for bosses. There might be a way to increase it with switching stances still.
About pvp - there were couple of builds based on "Aspect of serpent" before. But in mod 3 they were easily out shined by archer/constructive or combat/careful
Also one thing that is notices both for archer and trapper -we might need aofLW as our at-must feet for some of survival.
Im keep getting all argo in parties now with archer - even with 9% thread decrease from dog
And it makes me think that with changes that thread is now only bases on damage and not distance - it will be even worse. This is not in official announce but was stated by devs as a change. At the same time official announce states people what to play HR as clean archer and clean combat mostly as long as GF will be able to hold more damage with their new shield - so I would not trust announce at all.
As result - tapper will have 2 at-must feet as serpent and aofLF. or serpent and battlehonned maybe...
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Aimed strike is good thing true. But instead you will loose change for blade storm/ twin-blade storm and possible Split the sky - even nerfed.
But ill probably switch back to Pathfinder anyway.
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