I don't even want a chicken I'd like to have a cockatrice purely for it's looks, seeing as my ioun is my main companion (well of course in my heart lillend is my main) , but I ain't paying the money i don't even have for what i'd technically only be using as a fashion/roleplay item lmao
Then your in luck , the cockatrice is on auction house for only 750k ... dang chicken which I want is like 7 million .
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khimera906Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 898Arc User
edited June 2014
I think the Egg is there as a AD sink for the rich players. It sucks that not all of us have access to it, but if a few tens of millions are gonna be drained out of the market this way, I'm happy. I don't care that much about the Chicken, really, but that Cockatrice looks kinda cool. I don't feel any of them are essential to any player, though.
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bringitbackMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 26Arc User
edited June 2014
what was this "Caturday" exactly?what happened then?
And another thing...there are people in the game with 50+ Epic NIghtmare mounts,i ask them..how did you get so many nightmare mounts?..They answer "Well there was a glitch with the lockbox in the beginning,an exploit...but they let me keep it.Whenever i need money i just sell 1 of these mounts"...so keep in mind that too.
You start the game playing normally,you gather ad doing it legit,do dungeons,dailies etc....but there are people around with houndreds of millions of AD hoarded up from past exploits and bugs walking around.
That's just not a good enough ad sink. More customization for mounts and companions, weapons, dyes and clothes... that would be a great ad sink.
most "bot/exploiters" people will still save their ad to buy all of the zen for keys anyway. there is no use if you want the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you go get the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> if not, well maybe next time they finally give us the customization we want and deserve.
what was this "Caturday" exactly?what happened then?
There was a problem with the AH that meant players could put up auctions for negative Astral Diamonds, buy them and getting double their money back or something along those lines , at first only a very tiny number of people knew about it but once the secret got out the server went crazy and a lot of players ended up with capped AD . Players affected by the rollback got this - http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Caturday_Survivor%27s_Pack I love that cape but I still cannot wear it , annoying clipping -.-
There was a problem with the AH that meant players could put up auctions for negative Astral Diamonds, buy them and getting double their money back or something along those lines , at first only a very tiny number of people knew about it but once the secret got out the server went crazy and a lot of players ended up with capped AD . Players affected by the rollback got this - http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Caturday_Survivor%27s_Pack I love that cape but I still cannot wear it , annoying clipping -.-
So did every player who used the exploit get banned?
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
It looks like the egg is having at least a temporary effect on the ZAX , last night when I looked there was 800k+ of 500/1 offers , today it was below 400k , wonder if it will last though.
So did every player who used the exploit get banned?
Some did but rumors went about that not everybody who exploited did so I couldn't tell you , all I know is some did and some apparently didn't .
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avalonna43Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2014
They are in line with the cost of companions in the bazaar currently - look how much the cat or Dancing Blade costs. If blue pets cost around 7-800,000K, I did not think this was unexpected nor out of line at all. True, it's not the best pet (quite honestly, I really just wanted it because, well, it's a chicken! ) - I'm not a PVP person; I think I recall someone mentioning the merits of it for that. But hey, I ganked the bonding rune for main companions, and use the pet on an alt to make a bunch of questing with my "<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>....atrices" jokes.
Don't forget that either chicken OR Cockatrice comes already equipped with one of those new amazing Epic Bonding Runestones - those in themselves are very expensive.
It's been added to every Zen store companion purchase. I'd assume you don't get them with companions purchased with game currencies. (But I'll gladly buy a dozen wererats if you do.)
only zen store, bought a wererat and no fancy runestone
Interestingly, looking at the best guesses for the chance of the different companions and the current prices of the possible companions from the egg and the enchants, it seems possible to make (on average) a reasonable amount of AD out of this.
On the plus side this means that AD will be removed from the economy twice - once by the straight out purchase of eggs, and secondly by the AH cuts.
On the minus side the people who are most likely to benefit are those with large amounts of AD already (say at least 10-20 million AD, preferably nearer 50 million) who can afford to buy a lot of eggs to even out the RNG.
So the economy should hopefully get better, but the ones who benefit the most are those are are the best off....
"It takes money to make money" is as true in an MMO as it is in real life (I know it is not universally true, but it works for this discussion, lol)
There are two ways to get the exchange moving again, infuse the exchange with enough Zen to counter the number of AD or try and remove enough AD from the economy to get things flowing again. If they impose small but persistent fees that players must pay in AD then everyone will be contributing to the reduction of AD, but newer players will be hit hard financially. If they encourage people to buy a high level companion for the standard rate it not only reduces the amount of AD in the economy, it doesn't hurt newer players.
I understand that it sucks if you wanted an egg but aren't going to be able to come up with the cash in time, but there will be tons more things far better than a chicken in the future that you will be able to afford if you start saving up your AD for the next big thing.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
I understand that it sucks if you wanted an egg but aren't going to be able to come up with the cash in time, but there will be tons more things far better than a chicken in the future that you will be able to afford if you start saving up your AD for the next big thing.
Well not only that but if you really wanted the chiken that badly there's always the other side of the market: buying AD for Zen.
The lack of functioning sinks is a major cause for AD inflation...
But the lack of those sinks is just the cause of the problem which effects the market: lack of reason to buy AD with Zen.
Yes the eggs are expensive but unlike many other AD sinks they are 100% in line with other Zen products. Kudos to the marketing team for actually pricing something that costs AD at a realistic comparison to Zen rather than putting on the typical double price markup that other sinks have.
While I would prefer future sinks to focus on more less costly investments this does both remove AD from the system and encourage, at least in a moderate amount, people to buy AD with Zen even if it is just a one time deal.
wildfire412001Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 114Bounty Hunter
edited June 2014
i sold stuff right and left to get enough money to buy some eggs, 5 of them. what disappointed me was that out of 5 eggs, i got FIVE cockatrices, not one chicken. i wish i had saved the AD, bought a chicken for an outrageous price on the AH, and then bought an egg with any leftover money, hence i would have gotten both. i think the odds should have been better than that!! even if i keep ONE cockatrice and sell the other four, i still won't have enough money for ONE chicken on AH JMHO.
Just another totally insane AD price tag...I dont know anything in the game that comes with an AD cost that isn't totally goofie.
For such an amazing game overall its inexplicable how this is allowed.
I think this mini-event concerning the eggs is more meant for players with 50+mil diamonds who are converting all their AD to zen, hence <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> up the ZAX exchange.
Most players have 1.2mil so they are also able to participate though
i sold stuff right and left to get enough money to buy some eggs, 5 of them. what disappointed me was that out of 5 eggs, i got FIVE cockatrices, not one chicken. i wish i had saved the AD, bought a chicken for an outrageous price on the AH, and then bought an egg with any leftover money, hence i would have gotten both. i think the odds should have been better than that!! even if i keep ONE cockatrice and sell the other four, i still won't have enough money for ONE chicken on AH JMHO.
Sounds about right actually.
If people were getting a chicken every 5 eggs, we'd see tons and tons of chickens on the auction house
buying an item with AD is not an AD sink...
an AD sink is to remove ad from the economy..this does not do that...it take 1.2 m ad...and replaces it with an item going to be worth even more for rarity
buying an item with AD is not an AD sink...
an AD sink is to remove ad from the economy..this does not do that...it take 1.2 m ad...and replaces it with an item going to be worth even more for rarity
Buying an item from the NPC is an AD sink. The AD disappears from the player-run economy.
buying an item with AD is not an AD sink...
an AD sink is to remove ad from the economy..this does not do that...it take 1.2 m ad...and replaces it with an item going to be worth even more for rarity
The Cockatrice is selling for about 500,000 below egg price, add that to the auction fees for listing all those chickens, plus everyone who bought an egg(s) and didn't resell it and you do have a successful start.
it's not a sink in the fact you are replacing the ad with an item of value so it may remove the actual ad it does not remove the wealth..which is the intention of a sink
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited June 2014
Sinks do not have to remove the wealth from the economy. Sure that is nice too but the key essential factor is that it has to remove the actual AD from the economy. In that regard it has.
You guys place far too niche definitions on sinks. All a sink has to do is flush wealth down the drain. Every egg takes 1.2M AD out of the system which will never come back. Those players may get a return by selling those items greater than what they initially spent but that is with AD which was not effected by the sink. The sink still removed 1.2M AD from the system per egg.
And with the Zen Exchange as it is, the removal of AD from the market which will make the largest impact. However the wealth is distributed at a later date is inconsequential to the fact the AD was flushed out of the market.
Note to the person who is missing a post: racism and stereotyping is uncalled for and not tolerated on these forums.
Well, either I am dumbass with good imagination or the HR I've just encountered in DV OPvP didn't use that companion to root me for like 3 seconds ignoring all CC immunities?
Well, either I am dumbass with good imagination or the HR I've just encountered in DV OPvP didn't use that companion to root me for like 3 seconds ignoring all CC immunities?
DoT damage triggers that passive too.
Passive does not work for me either. I'm a CW and have been running with it for a two days.
Sinks do not have to remove the wealth from the economy. Sure that is nice too but the key essential factor is that it has to remove the actual AD from the economy. In that regard it has.
You guys place far too niche definitions on sinks. All a sink has to do is flush wealth down the drain. Every egg takes 1.2M AD out of the system which will never come back. Those players may get a return by selling those items greater than what they initially spent but that is with AD which was not effected by the sink. The sink still removed 1.2M AD from the system per egg.
And with the Zen Exchange as it is, the removal of AD from the market which will make the largest impact. However the wealth is distributed at a later date is inconsequential to the fact the AD was flushed out of the market.
Note to the person who is missing a post: racism and stereotyping is uncalled for and not tolerated on these forums.
Honestly I do not think it will effect the ZAX but that is because the ZAX is now well outside the curve limits. At 500 it can take a day to buy zen. Over the course of that day millions of AD, maybe 100s of millions are created through refining. While zen is only created by cash. And since the coal changes the market has basically decided nobody gets an upgrade on their enchant until someone buys a considerable sum of zen (keys or coals they have to spend money). The market out here in the real world has said, in essence, "I'd like to upgrade my enchant but not so much as I would like to take a date out to dinner. I will spend my money on Laura instead."
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Then your in luck , the cockatrice is on auction house for only 750k ... dang chicken which I want is like 7 million .
And another thing...there are people in the game with 50+ Epic NIghtmare mounts,i ask them..how did you get so many nightmare mounts?..They answer "Well there was a glitch with the lockbox in the beginning,an exploit...but they let me keep it.Whenever i need money i just sell 1 of these mounts"...so keep in mind that too.
You start the game playing normally,you gather ad doing it legit,do dungeons,dailies etc....but there are people around with houndreds of millions of AD hoarded up from past exploits and bugs walking around.
Kinda cuts my enthusiasm.
That's just not a good enough ad sink. More customization for mounts and companions, weapons, dyes and clothes... that would be a great ad sink.
most "bot/exploiters" people will still save their ad to buy all of the zen for keys anyway. there is no use if you want the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you go get the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> if not, well maybe next time they finally give us the customization we want and deserve.
There was a problem with the AH that meant players could put up auctions for negative Astral Diamonds, buy them and getting double their money back or something along those lines , at first only a very tiny number of people knew about it but once the secret got out the server went crazy and a lot of players ended up with capped AD . Players affected by the rollback got this - http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Caturday_Survivor%27s_Pack I love that cape but I still cannot wear it , annoying clipping -.-
I realized that bit a couple hours later. :P
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Some did but rumors went about that not everybody who exploited did so I couldn't tell you , all I know is some did and some apparently didn't .
Don't forget that either chicken OR Cockatrice comes already equipped with one of those new amazing Epic Bonding Runestones - those in themselves are very expensive.
Well, at least SOMEONE caught it, good sir!
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For such an amazing game overall its inexplicable how this is allowed.
only zen store, bought a wererat and no fancy runestone
"It takes money to make money" is as true in an MMO as it is in real life (I know it is not universally true, but it works for this discussion, lol)
I understand that it sucks if you wanted an egg but aren't going to be able to come up with the cash in time, but there will be tons more things far better than a chicken in the future that you will be able to afford if you start saving up your AD for the next big thing.
Well not only that but if you really wanted the chiken that badly there's always the other side of the market: buying AD for Zen.
The lack of functioning sinks is a major cause for AD inflation...
But the lack of those sinks is just the cause of the problem which effects the market: lack of reason to buy AD with Zen.
Yes the eggs are expensive but unlike many other AD sinks they are 100% in line with other Zen products. Kudos to the marketing team for actually pricing something that costs AD at a realistic comparison to Zen rather than putting on the typical double price markup that other sinks have.
While I would prefer future sinks to focus on more less costly investments this does both remove AD from the system and encourage, at least in a moderate amount, people to buy AD with Zen even if it is just a one time deal.
I think this mini-event concerning the eggs is more meant for players with 50+mil diamonds who are converting all their AD to zen, hence <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> up the ZAX exchange.
Most players have 1.2mil so they are also able to participate though
Sounds about right actually.
If people were getting a chicken every 5 eggs, we'd see tons and tons of chickens on the auction house
an AD sink is to remove ad from the economy..this does not do that...it take 1.2 m ad...and replaces it with an item going to be worth even more for rarity
Buying an item from the NPC is an AD sink. The AD disappears from the player-run economy.
The Cockatrice is selling for about 500,000 below egg price, add that to the auction fees for listing all those chickens, plus everyone who bought an egg(s) and didn't resell it and you do have a successful start.
You guys place far too niche definitions on sinks. All a sink has to do is flush wealth down the drain. Every egg takes 1.2M AD out of the system which will never come back. Those players may get a return by selling those items greater than what they initially spent but that is with AD which was not effected by the sink. The sink still removed 1.2M AD from the system per egg.
And with the Zen Exchange as it is, the removal of AD from the market which will make the largest impact. However the wealth is distributed at a later date is inconsequential to the fact the AD was flushed out of the market.
Note to the person who is missing a post: racism and stereotyping is uncalled for and not tolerated on these forums.
See http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?684581-Cockatrice-s-active-bonus-completely-bugged-(does-nothing-ever) for more detail.
DoT damage triggers that passive too.
WTB Class Reroll please
Passive does not work for me either. I'm a CW and have been running with it for a two days.
Catch me ingame and I'll show you that it does work.
WTB Class Reroll please
Yeah, that's totally constructive.
I've updated the thread, stating that it seems to work in open PvP but not in PvE. That's constructive.
Honestly I do not think it will effect the ZAX but that is because the ZAX is now well outside the curve limits. At 500 it can take a day to buy zen. Over the course of that day millions of AD, maybe 100s of millions are created through refining. While zen is only created by cash. And since the coal changes the market has basically decided nobody gets an upgrade on their enchant until someone buys a considerable sum of zen (keys or coals they have to spend money). The market out here in the real world has said, in essence, "I'd like to upgrade my enchant but not so much as I would like to take a date out to dinner. I will spend my money on Laura instead."