I love it when people complain about the only revenue model in the game. I wouldn't call it "money hungry". I would call it keeping the servers running and introducing new content frequently.
Subscription model games are still out there for as little as $12/month. People who have a problem with the F2P model should probably consider a couple subscriptions instead.
Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock.
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junkyjunkyMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2014
I would just like to say that I am a newish player, just about 2 months into this game. After playing Everquest for 13 years and seeing the changes they made over the years, these changes do not surprise me at all, but I did leave that MMO for this one and I am now looking for a new game to play.
Given that even MMO's are a business and are here for them to make money since this is a money driven world, I do not forsee them backing down from these changes from a business prospective. It is unfortunate however that a good lump sum of people will do as I am and find another source of entertainment that doesnt cost 2 months salary to play.
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mircalla83Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 36
this, my friends, is how you drive a game straight into the wall. the money hunger of cryptic is insane. you have no real opportunity in discussing nerfing and balancing, you have to just watch cryptic ruining this game even more. i have never seen a more expensive game than neverwinter and trust me, i play planetside 2, league of legends and counterstrike:go. you can not justify with the argument: yea but you can get everything if you play alot. i think it's save to say that most of us have jobs and are working full time, there is no room for me to grind 10 hours a day cn and go work, sleep and stuff.
lots of people jumped off this game, if this stays like this, im gone for good too. people have to riot if they don't want something, honestly. don't ****in buy zen anymore if you don't accept these changes, dont put 8 hours a day into this game. don't buy every "special bonus" every 3 days. sooner or later cryptic will see what they get from beeing greedy. and yes, i understand that its hard to stay relevant in this f2p competition. but going in this direction, you will go down sooner or later cryptic.
and btw. : being a gold/ad seller must be more attractive than ever.
I have to correct you, it isn't Cryptic, it is PWE, who in turn bow towards Beijing. Cryptic is only a name at this point.
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dshogunMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 6Arc User
I love it when people complain about the only revenue model in the game. I wouldn't call it "money hungry". I would call it keeping the servers running and introducing new content frequently.
Subscription model games are still out there for as little as $12/month. People how have a problem with the F2P model should probably consider a couple subscriptions instead.
oh yea, you mean the servers who go **** every day?
you mean the content which is for me 3 dailies each zone and after 20 days of quest grinding a new skirmish which i need gear for which also requires me to grind a **** ton of black ice or better go buy a booster pack for zen?
yea, you got it bro.
content wise it feels like neverwinter is a student weekend project who want to earn some money aside.
Actually this fix is only intended as a fix for the larger group encounters where half the players and mobs start fading out of existence mid battle because all the piles of coin on the ground have maxed out the object draw rate. I don't think the loss of the 40 copper, occasional potion/summoned alter, and rarely a green equipment item that you are already wearing ten times better then, is really going to hurt anything. Might be different if it was a gold based economy, but it isn't, so not a real loss. Remember you will still receive the end reward that you open with the button and it will now include more black ice then before.
Heroic Encounters: Removed all loot drops except Black Ice Enchantments for Epic and Major Heroic Encounters. Final rewards on them will gain an additional 30 Raw Black Ice. This is to help with entity draw limits and performance
Does removed ALL drops mean that Black Ice Gloves and Main Hand no longer drop ??
Think they might have had to "let the cat out of the bag" on this if they removed those drops
... like they no longer attainable through questing and available only in the Zen Market "Epic Loot Cache" pack, they have been removed from the game or maybe even where you would find them if in some alternative questing.
Really... Gloves & Weapons would drop on ground with the rest of the trash... would think those drops would be buttoned loot?
Then again...
Been looking forward to upgrading my Perfect Sarcasm font, but due to recent changes it seems I will need to grind the Nine Hells for my Pure Sarcasm font... ironic isn't it?
Still waiting on anwser for this! I still need my gloves and dagger!
it was answers several times....they are only talking about the coins and junk that drop on the ground. The Gloves and weapons are awarded after you use the claim reward button for the Encounter Prize - they are not effected by this at all - except in the fact you will get MORE of the raw black ice from the button now.
my question is.. When are they going to remove the Death penalty for being killed in the Open / wilderness PVP?
We dont have to pay in the PVP domination maps, so we shouldn't have to pay in the Open PVP either.
Especially if you use soulforge enhancement. I'm tapping low on gold constantly because either I have to keep buying stacks of Injury kits from double deaths in open pvp in IWD or DV when I'm trying to complete daily quests, or I'm forced to spend 2 1/2 gold switching it out just to get my dailies done that are located in the PVP zones.
BTW I have done the Dwarven Valley epic encounters over 20 times now and have yet to see the HR bow drop.. has any else had luck getting this for completion?
I have gotten the HR gloves (5 times) from Rem. but thats all i have seen so far
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ministerofchangeMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
BTW I have done the Dwarven Valley epic encounters over 20 times now and have yet to see the HR Corrupted bow drop.. has any else had luck getting this completion?
I have gotten the HR gloves from Rem. but thats all i have seen so far
5 characters, at least an hour on each of them in IWD each day, several purple events, got the gloves 1 time, nothing else so far....
Edit: Actually now that I think about it that's a fib, I did receive 2 of the NON-BLACKICE purple weapons at some point, neither of which were for the class I was on, I could have at least given to an alt but they were BoP so I ended up having to salvage them.
my question is.. When are they going to remove the Death penalty for being killed in the Open / wilderness PVP?
We dont have to pay in the PVP domination maps, so we shouldn't have to pay in the Open PVP either.
Especially if you use soulforge enhancement. I'm tapping low on gold constantly because either I have to keep buying stacks of Injury kits from double deaths in open pvp in IWD or DV when I'm trying to complete daily quests, or I'm forced to spend 2 1/2 gold switching it out just to get my dailies done that are located in the PVP zones.
Could we please have this removed Developers?
The death penalty thing is: If you might be in danger from being killed by a Mob, you might end with people running into the PvP Map in hope of being killed by a player, to avoid the death penalty.
If anything, I'd introduce a Death Penalty to Domination, but place an NPC there that, like in Gauntlgrym during the PvE Phases, would remove the Death Penalty.
While patching the game [was 543MB], on the launcher I saw the link and thought how appropriate...
"Black Ice Corrupts the Zen Market"
Been looking forward to upgrading my Perfect Sarcasm font, but due to recent changes it seems I will need to grind the Nine Hells for my Pure Sarcasm font... ironic isn't it?
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ministerofchangeMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
Salvaging: Black Ice items will properly show how much Black Ice they award instead of showing "0 Rough Astral Diamonds".
Woohoo! Finally.. I have 5 HR black ice gloves that I have been holding onto because of this.. was wondering what the reward would be for salvaging them. TY TY TY!
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ministerofchangeMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
Woohoo! Finally.. I have 5 HR black ice gloves that I have been holding onto because of this.. was wondering what the reward would be for salvaging them. TY TY TY!
5? Your luck is astounding! I both hate you and admire you right now.....
5 characters, at least an hour on each of them in IWD each day, several purple events, got the gloves 1 time, nothing else so far....
I ran the preview server as well for over a month and done several of the Epic encounters as well in DV / IWD and also didnt have any luck on the HR Black Ice bow.. Developers Could you please look into this and make sure that this is not bugged or an error?
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hellfyre69420Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2014
Invocation: Cache of Dread Ring Treasures: Now only gives 1 Thayan Cipher, down from 3.
why.
why...
WHY.
with it at 3 i actually stood a chance at getting alts the boons needed to start them in IWD, now you're telling me i'll have to spend 2 weeks+ to do it? really? i'd speak my opinion about you as human beings, but i'd probably get banned, so i won't.
keep it up, you'll never see another penny from me if it keeps going like this.
These black ice gloves... are they gear or profession items?
the gloves are both gert.. the HR black ice gloves drop from the Epic encounters in Icewind Dale (Protect the prospectors, and Rem). then you upgrade them with your black ice profession into the corrupted or purified black ice gloves.
These black ice gloves... are they gear or profession items?
The black ice gloves are the ones for the armor set - the only armor piece you cant buy at the zone store.
By profession items I assume you mean the ones used for the shaping tasks, you get the 1 set of white ones, after that they are only available in lock boxes and zen black ice kits.
the HR black ice bow supposedly drops from the epic encounters in Dwarven Valley, but I have yet to see it, nor any other HR black ice items from them.
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ministerofchangeMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
the HR black ice bow supposedly drops from the epic encounters in Dwarven Valley, but I have yet to see it, nor any other HR black ice items from them.
For all the classes Black Ice Armor - only gloves and main hand weapons drop - the other 4 pieces are purchase only from the IWD zone store - none of them drop.
The other purple drops are the specialty weapons bear tribe something or other and another one.
5? Your luck is astounding! I both hate you and admire you right now.....
LOLZ sorry Minister, If they were tradable or even able to be sold I would gladly workout an arrangement. but since thats not possible, 4 of them are getting salvaged into Black ice..
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Subscription model games are still out there for as little as $12/month. People who have a problem with the F2P model should probably consider a couple subscriptions instead.
Given that even MMO's are a business and are here for them to make money since this is a money driven world, I do not forsee them backing down from these changes from a business prospective. It is unfortunate however that a good lump sum of people will do as I am and find another source of entertainment that doesnt cost 2 months salary to play.
I have to correct you, it isn't Cryptic, it is PWE, who in turn bow towards Beijing. Cryptic is only a name at this point.
oh yea, you mean the servers who go **** every day?
you mean the content which is for me 3 dailies each zone and after 20 days of quest grinding a new skirmish which i need gear for which also requires me to grind a **** ton of black ice or better go buy a booster pack for zen?
yea, you got it bro.
content wise it feels like neverwinter is a student weekend project who want to earn some money aside.
seems likes it's already done
Think they might have had to "let the cat out of the bag" on this if they removed those drops
... like they no longer attainable through questing and available only in the Zen Market "Epic Loot Cache" pack, they have been removed from the game or maybe even where you would find them if in some alternative questing.
Really... Gloves & Weapons would drop on ground with the rest of the trash... would think those drops would be buttoned loot?
Then again...
For me . yes
I left my legacy defeating your enemies
Sorry my English...
it was answers several times....they are only talking about the coins and junk that drop on the ground. The Gloves and weapons are awarded after you use the claim reward button for the Encounter Prize - they are not effected by this at all - except in the fact you will get MORE of the raw black ice from the button now.
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
They are button loot, and not effected by the change in any way
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
We dont have to pay in the PVP domination maps, so we shouldn't have to pay in the Open PVP either.
Especially if you use soulforge enhancement. I'm tapping low on gold constantly because either I have to keep buying stacks of Injury kits from double deaths in open pvp in IWD or DV when I'm trying to complete daily quests, or I'm forced to spend 2 1/2 gold switching it out just to get my dailies done that are located in the PVP zones.
Could we please have this removed Developers?
I have gotten the HR gloves (5 times) from Rem. but thats all i have seen so far
5 characters, at least an hour on each of them in IWD each day, several purple events, got the gloves 1 time, nothing else so far....
Edit: Actually now that I think about it that's a fib, I did receive 2 of the NON-BLACKICE purple weapons at some point, neither of which were for the class I was on, I could have at least given to an alt but they were BoP so I ended up having to salvage them.
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
The death penalty thing is: If you might be in danger from being killed by a Mob, you might end with people running into the PvP Map in hope of being killed by a player, to avoid the death penalty.
If anything, I'd introduce a Death Penalty to Domination, but place an NPC there that, like in Gauntlgrym during the PvE Phases, would remove the Death Penalty.
"Black Ice Corrupts the Zen Market"
LOL - don't even get me started on that ludicrous attempt at a promotion.....
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
5? Your luck is astounding! I both hate you and admire you right now.....
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
Basszátok meg. Fizessen a faszom egy fosért...
I ran the preview server as well for over a month and done several of the Epic encounters as well in DV / IWD and also didnt have any luck on the HR Black Ice bow.. Developers Could you please look into this and make sure that this is not bugged or an error?
why.
why...
WHY.
with it at 3 i actually stood a chance at getting alts the boons needed to start them in IWD, now you're telling me i'll have to spend 2 weeks+ to do it? really? i'd speak my opinion about you as human beings, but i'd probably get banned, so i won't.
keep it up, you'll never see another penny from me if it keeps going like this.
the gloves are both gert.. the HR black ice gloves drop from the Epic encounters in Icewind Dale (Protect the prospectors, and Rem). then you upgrade them with your black ice profession into the corrupted or purified black ice gloves.
The black ice gloves are the ones for the armor set - the only armor piece you cant buy at the zone store.
By profession items I assume you mean the ones used for the shaping tasks, you get the 1 set of white ones, after that they are only available in lock boxes and zen black ice kits.
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
For all the classes Black Ice Armor - only gloves and main hand weapons drop - the other 4 pieces are purchase only from the IWD zone store - none of them drop.
The other purple drops are the specialty weapons bear tribe something or other and another one.
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
LOLZ sorry Minister, If they were tradable or even able to be sold I would gladly workout an arrangement. but since thats not possible, 4 of them are getting salvaged into Black ice..