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Unkillable GWF ruins pvp
sangrine
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 575 Arc User
I rarely play domination pvp, but when I do, an unkillable GWF ruins the pvp experience.
Every class should be killable in 1vs1 fight, but some GWF's require 3 or more players, or permanent control/stun/prone/freeze to kill them.
In 1vs1 pvp fight, if you are able to greatly injure an unkillable GWF, they often will sprint away to regenerate HP or drink health potion.
Please re-balance pvp (not pve) so that every class is killable in 1vs1 fights.
Every class should be killable in 1vs1 fight, but some GWF's require 3 or more players, or permanent control/stun/prone/freeze to kill them.
In 1vs1 pvp fight, if you are able to greatly injure an unkillable GWF, they often will sprint away to regenerate HP or drink health potion.
Please re-balance pvp (not pve) so that every class is killable in 1vs1 fights.
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edit: Reason, ive seen so many 7kgs trying to kill 13-14kgs. gwf and if they failed, they come crying here in the forums and i hope you are not one of them since high GS other class have no complain against gwf. @_@
All that info is not available to me. If you have nothing more to add to this discussion, I suggest you post in other threads.
I've seen so many cry babies aganst GWF, did you know that sent build may take awhile to kill but can't hardly kill anyone too, LOL. and they are being owned by GF too. rock, paper, scissor. so im questioning your GS.
Then we are in agreement. Some GWF's are too difficult to kill.
ofcourse because they are built that way, still you haven't answer my question, what is your GS, because the only GWF running around these days are 12-14kgs which is still holding on to a broken class. and if you are 7-9kgs trying to kill it, i will just LOL at you.
Topic of this thread is not me. Topic is about unkillable players in 1v1 pvp, especially unkillable GWF.
I made this thread to request a re-balance in pvp, not to discuss my character.
percentage of win 1 on 1 equal gear.
GWF vs GF 99.99% dead GWF
GWF vs TR 50% chance for both depend on whose daily will get first.
GWF vs CW 60% chance GWF will win.
GWF vs DC no data equal gear and DC running around you can't kill it.
GWF vs GWF who ever has better stats/path and skill win.
now tell me your GS.
How did you obtain this data? Which servers is this data from?
Edit: Reminder. topic is about unkillable GWF ... not about average GWF or average player.
Average GWF is not a problem for me. Unkillable GWF ruins my pvp experience.
Now can you tell me your GS.
WAI.
Don't take the bait, because unless he's equipped with Tene's, that's all the GWF is good for: baiting and kiting. It's unreal how well PvE tactics work on bad players in PvP. Bait em, kite em, tank em, while your team wins.
to farm glory? To win the match? What exactly do you win? Nothing except glory.
I play domination pvp mainly for entertainment and for challenge.
There is no pleasure in fighting an unkillable opponent. It's pointless.
The only solution for me is to avoid fighting a "unkillable" player in 1v1.
And the most effective way to avoid pvp with such a player is to not pvp at all.
You dont have to always kill your target. While you sitting there wasting time trying to kill him. His team is winning.
Nothing wrong with that.
just another thread about a player that fails to perceive how they are going about their problem.
There is no 1 vs 1 pvp. there is only team pvp.
And they arent unkillable, there are methods in killing them that is indeed difficult but it can be done.
Those that cant, are better off looking at other options.
I've fought such unkillable GWFs. And manage to still win the match, quite easily too. And managed to kill them once or twice. Though it wasnt my intent to.
it can easy take away 4-5k def
It's like asking us why you lost the race with your 4cyl car when your opponent had a blown V-8. You're giving us nothing to go off besides you inability to wrap your head around the fact that there are going to be better geared players than you.
Yeah, tanky build should by all means tank well, excessively well if they are with good gear&spec. Survivability should be their number one asset.
I hope we can all agree on this.
The real issue is another one.
I'll give an example: my CW in PvP. Good at control. 3 teleports, decent kiting (should be). Decent damage, not amazing like TRS though.
To compensate for these advantages, my CW is squishy as hell. This means that if I don't see that TR going for me, I might get 1-shot if he's geared decently. This is fine. It's their class advantage. So, class should have advantages, and disadvantages to compensate.
Now, let's take the example of the decently geared/specced GWF (against other decently geared/specced players).
- very good survivability (fine)
- almost immune for limited time
- speed burst
- medium range damage (not fine)
- very good damage once it gets to you (not fine)
- can CC you to death (not fine)
Same goes for GFs.
These things should never happen. If you built your char for tanky purposes, then you should be melee range only and have lame damage to compensate for your extremely good survivability.
So you expect all dps to be hitting like wet noodles because they wear chain and plate armor?
What is this a slapfest? I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous. A well played CW is more of a threat to me than any GWF will ever be.
It sounds to me like those folks that are complaining could use a little focus in their pvp groups. Choose a target, burn them down and move on.
Just don't bother with the GWF until his unstoppable is down. Problem solved.
Anyway, you can also play smart, and just keep him away from the base, repel at hotentow, or be so annoying that he tries to follow you. Sentinel has the upper hand against mages, you should understand that, and play with that in mind. Just by keeping him out of the cap point can earn your team a lot of points. Go for priests.
I am not asking for help. I am asking to re-balance pvp !
Fighting against tanky, unkillable players is not fun.
To me, it is not acceptable that some players are impossible (or almost impossible) to kill in 1v1 pvp.
5 tanky players vs 5 tanky players
few or no kills. Is this fun pvp? Not to me.
SO even if you are 7-9kgs, you still want to kill 12-14kgs gwf who are design to tank and take damage.
Troll alert, troll alert.troll allert. like what rki2 says or GEAR up.
End of story.
You keep saying "unkillable players" but for all I know you could be sitting on a 7-8k gear score. It might be you that's the problem and you don't even realize it. You know what I do when I face another tanky GF or GWF in pvp? I either ask for help to take them down or move on. The only way for pvp to ever be balanced is if people are playing against others with similar gear. People will still complain then do to lack of skill. I enjoy pvp even when I'm getting my rear end handed to me.
I'm not trying to offend you by saying this, but you're a casual pvp player. You admitted it in your first post and that leads to the fact that you don't like pvp unless you're dominating. PvP isn't always about stomping every match. It's not fun if there's not a challenge to face.
In the situation where players are equally geared, it won't need 3 players to take down a GWF.
The joy of PvP is that the classes are different and different paragon paths add even more variety. Sometimes you're just up against your nemesis and all you can do is try your best until HIS nemesis from your side shows up and dices him.
We are in agreement. Some players are unkillable 1vs1 in pvp.
No need to argue with me, since you agree with me.
I know an even more effective way to avoid tanky players. Do not queue for domination pvp.
100% avoidance. works every time.
Alright good. One less person to hear complaining about in match.
I have no characters with gearscore higher than 10k (besides my GF ).
And I can handle all types of players up to 13k+ gearscore. And even then, killing the opponent is not an issue. The match type is alot more than just simply killing your opponents.
Then thats not a GWF or TR issue. Thats a Tenebris enchant issue.
And that I would say is a justifiable complaint.
- Yes. I just put every heroic feat and every feat in the sentinel line, plus one in unstoppable recovery, to make my sentinel as hard to kill as possible. I stack deflect and recovery, and if you put me in a regen Titan set, I'm able to build last in a fight and run off if need be to slowly heal again and come back.
- Five seconds. That's how long unstoppable lasts, roughly five seconds. And we have sprint, which makes us immune to slows. Don't try to slow us. Knock us back and knock us down.
- Sprint. The longest range move in the game. Why? We're melee, the shortest range of any class in the game (comparable, possibly, with GF and their lunges).
- Short range damage. 10 ft on a good day. 15 ft for two skills, flourish and crescendo. Stay out of our range. Let me assure you that most of my game is chasing down other players, NOT firing magic missiles or daggers.
- Very good? Really? That sentinel build without tene's is doing 14k on it's dailies, where we have the slowest AP gen of ANY class. That's with a crit. My best encounter, IBS, tops at crit of 10k. Really good damage? Have you been hit by a CW or TR or even a GF? We beat DC's, that's it.
- We have Takedown (encounter) that puts you on the ground. 6sec to 10 sec recharge (6 second with one feat in the destroyer line midway down). Nice 3k damage with crit there.. Flourish, which stuns you for 1 second, 13 second recharge. Crescendo, which stuns and hits for takedown, but is a daily (see point above about low ap gain). And Avalanche of Steel, another daily with a big red circle, a four second animation, and takedown at the end. We do have CC, all of it requires close range.
If you do the math, we do less damage than an ITC/perma-stealth TR. Less damage than your control-spec'd CW. Less damage than the everybody BUT the healer.
If you want to argue what's broken, take a look at our AoW sets, or Tene enchants in general. Simply fixing the amount of regen a sent can stack (especially with the Titan set) would do much to tone down our capabilities than further nerfing the damage output of a class that honestly needs to be buffed in that area.
Lets' look a little harder at a RANGED class having more damage output than a MELEE class, shall we? Who the hell thought of that? Range has the advantage of being further away, why in the world would they also hit harder? The only thing CW's lack over GWF's is their defense, and let me tell you from experience, Teleport and dodge immunities make for a helluva defense in the right CW's hands.
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
took me a while to find him
so hes(sangrine) 11,9k CW with mostly savage enchants r6 in offense slots
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?498431-End-game-GWF-vs-TRs-possible-strategies
Domination is team not 1vs1 and very short. The smartest thing your team can do if they can not kill the GWF when it is at the point near your spawn is distract the rest of the opposite team by fighting on point 2 while team members makes a play for the point near their spawn. This will stop the other team from earning points and might split up the other team. The team members who made the play can either rejoin the battle for a bit or make a play to recap the point nearest spawn for their team if they survive to cap the point nearest the opposite team's spawn. The team members who made the play and died can still try to recap the point nearest spawn when they respawn.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)