Well, that may be the case (though I would be surprised if nobody has submitted a bug report). Easy fix: check Damage_Dealt_By_Boss to see if it is > a few thousand points. That would definitely tack both of the ones I know about.
And how would they know which member on the team did the bug?
We all know that driving 69mph in a 65mph speed zone is technically "against the law". However, we all also know that it is tacitly condoned due to it rarely being enforced. And we all also know that the majority of drivers do it.
So i ask, those of you on crusade against "cheaters"... do you consider yourself a criminal because you drive 69 in a 65?
You see, everyone continues to blame each other... but the fault does not lie with the players. By leaving exploitable content on server for months on end, "cheating" is tacitly condoned... and the majority of post 60 players are doing it (once they know about it). The real responsibility lies with the company, and the responsible thing to do would be to remove it from the game immediately when known.
When you divide yourselves like this, it plays right into the company's hands, as it deflects the responsibility away from them. I suggest you unite, and perhaps then you will see your game improve.
And yet they still don't get banned... Sounds like it's your opinion that they're cheating b/c they're doing something you don't like.
So tired of hearing HAMSTER like this, I have cleared every dungeon start to finish at least 10 times each (talking T2 and CN) When I have the choice of clear in 20 minutes or clear in 60 I'm going to choose 20, b/c I don't play this game 8 hours a day.
I am married and have a job, and I'm not going to be told I'm a lazy exploiting cheater b/c some 16 year old that has nothing to do other than this game wants to force me to spend 4 hours a day in dungeons to get the gear I need. No thank you, I will take the 3-4 chances during 1 hour DD per day over your 4 hours of grind runs.
Lots of ignorant comments here. I'm 30 and work a full time job myself. It is your choice to cheat, plain and simple. It doesn't take us 4 hours of grinding to get 1 DD down.
Guilds/Players like you also call tossing / punting mobs off cliff an exploit even after Cryptic said it's legitimate tactic and designed that way.
You also call pulling the boss out of their throne room to another location an exploit and many other common strategy's used for many years in many different MMO's.
The problem is sloppy coding on Cryptic's part for not putting in checks/balances for the most basic strategy's on bosses. Also not including all of the broken AI, scripts and bugs with the boss. Even with the MOD 1 patch the bosses are full of bugs, broken AI, scripts and animations not working as intended.
The problem is some of the bugs the player(s) have no control over and others are easily duplicated. You can report the bugs but they don't get fixed for weeks (months or still on-going) and even when they "patch" the bug they don't FIX it!
As I see it the bugs are left in intentionally to give the appearance that it's unintended while allows loot to flow into the community at a controlled rate. The issue is if all of the bugs were fixed and everything set to BoP pugs everyone would be facing the hell new players.
1. We don't care about tossing off an edge. We prefer to burn the mobs down because it is quicker... if we can knock some mobs off as we go, not a problem. Cryptic however is fixing it so people can't dump everything off the edge -- see Pirate before and Pirate now (they added a ton of walls).
2. You can't pull bosses out of throne rooms any more -- they are chained and reset. What boss would you want to do that on anyways? Can you not handle the adds?
Lots of ignorant comments here. I'm 30 and work a full time job myself. It is your choice to cheat, plain and simple. It doesn't take us 4 hours of grinding to get 1 DD down.
If I only get 1 dungeon in during DD then it takes 4 times longer to get my gear, why would I run a dungeon not during DD if I'm only looking for T2 armor. Obviously you have your full set and aren't making more alts, b/c to get just the 4 pieces of T2 I want on my cleric (9.2k GS) it would take weeks by only getting 1 chance at 1 piece per day, if that. If DD is at 5 I miss it, and then it's not up again until 11 and my wife goes to bed at 11. Trust me I'll endure you calling me a cheater long before I tell my wife sorry honey I have dungeons to run!
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Cryptic however is fixing it so people can't dump everything off the edge -- see Pirate before and Pirate now (they added a ton of walls).
LOL actually there are area's you can toss them off at and I do entire run in 16 minutes with 4 Pulls. I will pull all of the trash from entrance from every single room to gate then have CW's sing and we burn them all down in a few seconds. Then pull trash to boss and kill boss + trash. Then run to next boss with all trash in pull and toss everything off ledge. Same with next boss. Entire run is about 16-18 minutes.
2. You can't pull bosses out of throne rooms any more -- they are chained and reset. What boss would you want to do that on anyways? Can you not handle the adds?
Incorrect, you just don't know which ones are broken. They've been reported but still not fixed.
My and my guild have no issues with trash but we are the exception as majority of the community has a very difficult time and why the community resorts to bugs.
Lots of ignorant comments here. I'm 30 and work a full time job myself. It is your choice to cheat, plain and simple. It doesn't take us 4 hours of grinding to get 1 DD down.
Really only 1 dungeon in 1 DD?
We run (3) MC's during 1 DD. It's tight because last boss can be a pain.
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If I only get 1 dungeon in during DD then it takes 4 times longer to get my gear, why would I run a dungeon not during DD if I'm only looking for T2 armor. Obviously you have your full set and aren't making more alts, b/c to get just the 4 pieces of T2 I want on my cleric (9.2k GS) it would take weeks by only getting 1 chance at 1 piece per day, if that. If DD is at 5 I miss it, and then it's not up again until 11 and my wife goes to bed at 11. Trust me I'll endure you calling me a cheater long before I tell my wife sorry honey I have dungeons to run!
At the end of the day you are still cheating. We can run multiple dungeons the legit way to get our gear... you just have to play with a higher caliber of player.
We run (3) MC's during 1 DD. It's tight because last boss can be a pain.
I was quoting what somebody else says. We obviously run multiple runs of DD in 1 hour -- but without cheating.
I've found MC to be a complete waste of time -- the actual gear is such a minor upgrade that it is not worth doing.. but I still help when asked. I find it hard to believe you run 3 MC's during DD -- of course if you are cheating and glitching the last boss then you probably are.
At the end of the day you are still cheating. We can run multiple dungeons the legit way to get our gear... you just have to play with a higher caliber of player.
LOL you act like PvE is so hard and it's some great accomplishment to run it without any shortcuts. As I said I have done it multiple times and that was back when I had like 10.5k GS on my CW. Now my CW is 13k with a stone and could easily do the dungeons your way, but why? why in the world would I take 4x the time to finish a dungeon? Lol b/c someone is calling me names on the forums? You have fun being super pro and getting 2 runs per DD in. I would say I'll see you in a PvP match some time but you'll be too busy spending all day in a dungeon killing those super tough trash mobs that only pro guilds can clear.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
LOL you act like PvE is so hard and it's some great accomplishment to run it without any shortcuts. As I said I have done it multiple times and that was back when I had like 10.5k GS on my CW. Now my CW is 13k with a stone and could easily do the dungeons your way, but why? why in the world would I take 4x the time to finish a dungeon? Lol b/c someone is calling me names on the forums? You have fun being super pro and getting 2 runs per DD in. I would say I'll see you in a PvP match some time but you'll be too busy spending all day in a dungeon killing those super tough trash mobs that only pro guilds can clear.
Why would it take us 4x as long to clear a dungeon? Do you not understand that we don't cheat but we are also good players? Posts like this (and threads like this) are just laughable.
Eventually they will fix the cheating and they will fix the exploits. Where will that leave you?
Why would it take us 4x as long to clear a dungeon? Do you not understand that we don't cheat but we are also good players? Posts like this (and threads like this) are just laughable.
Eventually they will fix the cheating and they will fix the exploits. Where will that leave you?
That will leave me with 1 of each class fully geared and not ever grinding dungeons again, however that will leave the fresh players in a sad state indeed =/
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
That will leave me with 1 of each class fully geared and not ever grinding dungeons again, however that will leave the fresh players in a sad state indeed =/
I like your post better. Now I have to just level up to 60 (yes I still haven't got one char to 60 yet).
That will leave me with 1 of each class fully geared and not ever grinding dungeons again, however that will leave the fresh players in a sad state indeed =/
Fully geared to do what? To stand in town? Cheating to get all the gear makes all the gear worthless. Have you forgot that this is a game?
Fully geared to do what? To stand in town? Cheating to get all the gear makes all the gear worthless. Have you forgot that this is a game?
Lol to PvP. You are so caught up on the fact that PvE makes you so pro you don't even realize that there are other things to do at 60 that actually require thought, unlike your guild doing "legit" run all day so you can pat yourself on the back.
"heck yeah we shaved off 10 seconds on that pirate king WE'RE SO GOOD!!" *chest bump*
meanwhile you'd get roflstomped by a pvp guild =P
Edit: as this thread is quickly devolving into personal attacks prepare for the lock heh
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Fully geared to do what? To stand in town? Cheating to get all the gear makes all the gear worthless. Have you forgot that this is a game?
Making AD,ready for next tier of gear/ level increase,pvp and yes standing around in his gear just to show off.Oh it won't be worthless just because you think he got by cheating.
Lol to PvP. You are so caught up on the fact that PvE makes you so pro you don't even realize that there are other things to do at 60 that actually require thought, unlike your guild doing "legit" run all day so you can pat yourself on the back.
"heck yeah we shaved off 10 seconds on that pirate king WE'RE SO GOOD!!" *chest bump*
meanwhile you'd get roflstomped by a pvp guild =P
Edit: as this thread is quickly devolving into personal attacks prepare for the lock heh
This thread is full of people who are cheating and exploiting the game. Do you think we don't have the gear or the resources to PVP? Remember, we have more time to play than you do -- don't have wife aggro that makes us have to log off.
If you want to cheat -- that is your choice. We don't condone cheating. Like I said before -- the game is too hard for you.
I was quoting what somebody else says. We obviously run multiple runs of DD in 1 hour -- but without cheating.
I've found MC to be a complete waste of time -- the actual gear is such a minor upgrade that it is not worth doing.. but I still help when asked. I find it hard to believe you run 3 MC's during DD -- of course if you are cheating and glitching the last boss then you probably are.
Start your pre-clear about 45 minutes before DD. Clear everything up to last boss and wait for DD to start, relog to get the DD quest. Start last boss, beat boss. Start 2nd run and clear within 40-45 minutes leaves just enough time to start last 3rd run. It's tight but manageable. The 2nd run is the stressful run as we are racing the clock and having to burn everything as fast as possible.
It's really not that hard if you have a good group all built around synergy DPS. Everyone using the right 4pc Armor Set, the right weapon enchants and right skills to boost everyone's damage and not worried about solo DPS. The goal is to build a party that does as much damage as possible and melting trash packs. This is why many of us have 2 weapons with different enchants depending on who we are grouped with.
When you start to combine a large amount of bonuses the damage of players skyrocket.
Start your pre-clear about 45 minutes before DD. Clear everything up to last boss and wait for DD to start, relog to get the DD quest. Start last boss, beat boss. Start 2nd run and clear within 40-45 minutes leaves just enough time to start last 3rd run. It's tight but manageable. The 2nd run is the stressful run as we are racing the clock and having to burn everything as fast as possible.
It's really not that hard if you have a good group all built around synergy DPS. Everyone using the right 4pc Armor Set, the right weapon enchants and right skills to boost everyone's damage and not worried about solo DPS. The goal is to build a party that does as much damage as possible and melting trash packs. This is why many of us have 2 weapons with different enchants depending on who we are grouped with.
When you start to combine a large amount of bonuses the damage of players skyrocket.
Pre-clears. I thought you were talking about starting when the DD starts.
I created the cleric 1st or 2nd day of open beta, so whatever day that is. The fact that you believe it's cheating doesn't make it cheating. I'm pretty sure I made it clear that I've cleared everything "legit" with ease, but when given the choice to shave time or not, of course I'm going to do runs in less time.
PvE offers little to no challenge, and once you beat it once any challenge that it did have has been overcome. PvP on the other hand provides new challenges every match (unless you're playing pugs).
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I created the cleric 1st or 2nd day of open beta, so whatever day that is. The fact that you believe it's cheating doesn't make it cheating. I'm pretty sure I made it clear that I've cleared everything "legit" with ease, but when given the choice to shave time or not, of course I'm going to do runs in less time.
PvE offers little to no challenge, and once you beat it once any challenge that it did have has been overcome. PvP on the other hand provides new challenges every match (unless you're playing pugs).
Cheating is Cheating. Any time you exploit the game it is cheating.
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And how would they know which member on the team did the bug?
So i ask, those of you on crusade against "cheaters"... do you consider yourself a criminal because you drive 69 in a 65?
You see, everyone continues to blame each other... but the fault does not lie with the players. By leaving exploitable content on server for months on end, "cheating" is tacitly condoned... and the majority of post 60 players are doing it (once they know about it). The real responsibility lies with the company, and the responsible thing to do would be to remove it from the game immediately when known.
When you divide yourselves like this, it plays right into the company's hands, as it deflects the responsibility away from them. I suggest you unite, and perhaps then you will see your game improve.
Wouldn't matter. The 2 bugs I know of require a whole team effort/complicity.
Lots of ignorant comments here. I'm 30 and work a full time job myself. It is your choice to cheat, plain and simple. It doesn't take us 4 hours of grinding to get 1 DD down.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
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1. We don't care about tossing off an edge. We prefer to burn the mobs down because it is quicker... if we can knock some mobs off as we go, not a problem. Cryptic however is fixing it so people can't dump everything off the edge -- see Pirate before and Pirate now (they added a ton of walls).
2. You can't pull bosses out of throne rooms any more -- they are chained and reset. What boss would you want to do that on anyways? Can you not handle the adds?
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
If I only get 1 dungeon in during DD then it takes 4 times longer to get my gear, why would I run a dungeon not during DD if I'm only looking for T2 armor. Obviously you have your full set and aren't making more alts, b/c to get just the 4 pieces of T2 I want on my cleric (9.2k GS) it would take weeks by only getting 1 chance at 1 piece per day, if that. If DD is at 5 I miss it, and then it's not up again until 11 and my wife goes to bed at 11. Trust me I'll endure you calling me a cheater long before I tell my wife sorry honey I have dungeons to run!
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
LOL actually there are area's you can toss them off at and I do entire run in 16 minutes with 4 Pulls. I will pull all of the trash from entrance from every single room to gate then have CW's sing and we burn them all down in a few seconds. Then pull trash to boss and kill boss + trash. Then run to next boss with all trash in pull and toss everything off ledge. Same with next boss. Entire run is about 16-18 minutes.
Incorrect, you just don't know which ones are broken. They've been reported but still not fixed.
My and my guild have no issues with trash but we are the exception as majority of the community has a very difficult time and why the community resorts to bugs.
Really only 1 dungeon in 1 DD?
We run (3) MC's during 1 DD. It's tight because last boss can be a pain.
At the end of the day you are still cheating. We can run multiple dungeons the legit way to get our gear... you just have to play with a higher caliber of player.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
I was quoting what somebody else says. We obviously run multiple runs of DD in 1 hour -- but without cheating.
I've found MC to be a complete waste of time -- the actual gear is such a minor upgrade that it is not worth doing.. but I still help when asked. I find it hard to believe you run 3 MC's during DD -- of course if you are cheating and glitching the last boss then you probably are.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
LOL you act like PvE is so hard and it's some great accomplishment to run it without any shortcuts. As I said I have done it multiple times and that was back when I had like 10.5k GS on my CW. Now my CW is 13k with a stone and could easily do the dungeons your way, but why? why in the world would I take 4x the time to finish a dungeon? Lol b/c someone is calling me names on the forums? You have fun being super pro and getting 2 runs per DD in. I would say I'll see you in a PvP match some time but you'll be too busy spending all day in a dungeon killing those super tough trash mobs that only pro guilds can clear.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Why would it take us 4x as long to clear a dungeon? Do you not understand that we don't cheat but we are also good players? Posts like this (and threads like this) are just laughable.
Eventually they will fix the cheating and they will fix the exploits. Where will that leave you?
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
That will leave me with 1 of each class fully geared and not ever grinding dungeons again, however that will leave the fresh players in a sad state indeed =/
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
DC was the 2nd character I created so I had him in early april, but I stopped playing him around 25. He is 60 now from prayer/leadership alone haha =P
When I first started playing him again I was like "**** I don't even have a clue what my abilities do..."
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Fully geared to do what? To stand in town? Cheating to get all the gear makes all the gear worthless. Have you forgot that this is a game?
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
Nope -- and you haven't even leveled one character to 60 and you are on a thread about end game dungeons??
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
Lol to PvP. You are so caught up on the fact that PvE makes you so pro you don't even realize that there are other things to do at 60 that actually require thought, unlike your guild doing "legit" run all day so you can pat yourself on the back.
"heck yeah we shaved off 10 seconds on that pirate king WE'RE SO GOOD!!" *chest bump*
meanwhile you'd get roflstomped by a pvp guild =P
Edit: as this thread is quickly devolving into personal attacks prepare for the lock heh
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Open beta didn't even start until April 30th.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
This thread is full of people who are cheating and exploiting the game. Do you think we don't have the gear or the resources to PVP? Remember, we have more time to play than you do -- don't have wife aggro that makes us have to log off.
If you want to cheat -- that is your choice. We don't condone cheating. Like I said before -- the game is too hard for you.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
Start your pre-clear about 45 minutes before DD. Clear everything up to last boss and wait for DD to start, relog to get the DD quest. Start last boss, beat boss. Start 2nd run and clear within 40-45 minutes leaves just enough time to start last 3rd run. It's tight but manageable. The 2nd run is the stressful run as we are racing the clock and having to burn everything as fast as possible.
It's really not that hard if you have a good group all built around synergy DPS. Everyone using the right 4pc Armor Set, the right weapon enchants and right skills to boost everyone's damage and not worried about solo DPS. The goal is to build a party that does as much damage as possible and melting trash packs. This is why many of us have 2 weapons with different enchants depending on who we are grouped with.
When you start to combine a large amount of bonuses the damage of players skyrocket.
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
Pre-clears. I thought you were talking about starting when the DD starts.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
Not mad about anything. You are just really out of touch with the game to be commenting on these issues. It is just my observation.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
PvE offers little to no challenge, and once you beat it once any challenge that it did have has been overcome. PvP on the other hand provides new challenges every match (unless you're playing pugs).
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Cheating is Cheating. Any time you exploit the game it is cheating.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting