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lostmarbleshere
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I am confused about some exploits that have come up in the last weeks.
I for one would like to know what an exploit is in the first place.
Was the one on launch day nightmare box opening an exploit? I was on then and it never stopped poping up saying someone got a nightmare and sometimes same person 5-10 times in a row. Cause the dev team knew about this bug or issue before launch time. Then a bunch of people bought a bunch of keys from the ZEN store so they could take advantage of this bug or issue, for the most part everyone on the forum calls it an exploit. None of those people got banned or thier stuff taken away. And the dev's called them lucky.
Now the latest exploit <removed details>. Nobody said hey dont do this its not supposed to <removed details> you will get banned and your stuff taken away. And this exploit wouldnt really even messup to AH at all either. The nightmare one ya sure messed up the prices of the NIghtmares abit.
I would like to know also, why one exploit is lucky and the other one isnt lucky.
For the most part most people know why the nightmare Exploiters never got anything done to them is because that exploit made you money. Strange how fast that exploit was fixed also.
PS: Another question who gets perm bans and who gets temp bans. Does that depend on if they have zen coins in thier accounts or spend money on the game.
I for one would like to know what an exploit is in the first place.
Was the one on launch day nightmare box opening an exploit? I was on then and it never stopped poping up saying someone got a nightmare and sometimes same person 5-10 times in a row. Cause the dev team knew about this bug or issue before launch time. Then a bunch of people bought a bunch of keys from the ZEN store so they could take advantage of this bug or issue, for the most part everyone on the forum calls it an exploit. None of those people got banned or thier stuff taken away. And the dev's called them lucky.
Now the latest exploit <removed details>. Nobody said hey dont do this its not supposed to <removed details> you will get banned and your stuff taken away. And this exploit wouldnt really even messup to AH at all either. The nightmare one ya sure messed up the prices of the NIghtmares abit.
I would like to know also, why one exploit is lucky and the other one isnt lucky.
For the most part most people know why the nightmare Exploiters never got anything done to them is because that exploit made you money. Strange how fast that exploit was fixed also.
PS: Another question who gets perm bans and who gets temp bans. Does that depend on if they have zen coins in thier accounts or spend money on the game.
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There's probably a million people playing this game who'd like answers to those questions, but I'll bet you a dozen Nightmare mounts no answers are forthcoming. My advice is to enjoy the game while there's still fun to be had. The people making the decisions at Perfect World Entertainment on how these incidents are handled clearly aren't thinking long term, which means there probably isn't going to be a long term. So, we may as well enjoy what time we have in Neverwinter in the short term.
The nightmare lockbox bug wasn't an exploit. An exploit means that a loophole has to be known or published in order for it to be exploited by end-users. Otherwise it's just happy accident or discovery.
MANY will argue that the loophole was known on test servers based on ONE very vague post (which had only a few pictures) on test server. Yet this post did not provide any description, and though the pictures themselves could denote numerous other anomalies e.g. Screen or chat window output may have spammed, "nightmare, nightmare, nightmare, nightmare" that doesn't mean that user got 4 nightmares. It could just mean that the alert text alerted (or spammed) 3 times too many. To put it more simply, it could have been purely superficial - text spamming.
So we (as end users) have no proof that the nightmare bug was actually a real exploit. I personally welcome any proof otherwise.
Lucky - Player benefits, pwe benefits - this will get you a pat on the back.
Working as intended - Player loses, pwe benefits - this will make you get you a title.
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One can't (or at least I can no longer) really hold it against players for seeing certain advantages and utilizing them. I mean look at a fight in the real world. If someone has the ability to use the terrain in their favor, it isn't exploiting, rather a good combat tactic.
Again, if they don't want people to "exploit" maybe they should take some time to fix their buggy game.. Right? Like you pointed out very well, the nightmare lock box disaster was addressed quite quickly (after the initial bug report about a week earlier on the test server) despite the fact it should have NEVER gone live. Point is, if it is a problem in their eyes, they have the capability to fix it. It just boils down to what they are really concerned about.
Yes, many will argue it was an exploit and every single one of those many are correct ...
Based on what criteria?
They wish they had a million people playing the game (probably as much as I wish I could have been on to get a bunch of nightmare mounts when the boxes were worth while). I know many people w/ numerous accounts (20+) just to pray.. Under 1000 people in all the protector enclave instances the last 2 nights during what I would consider prime time.. The user base seems to be decreasing..
The well-known criteria that all of us refer to as "reality".
So if you are doing something you know you are not intended to do, and REALLY IMPORTANT you are getting any kind of advantage over other players that way (rock climbing, urban parkour for example, is not intended but is not exploiting) that is an exploit, and if you exploit in any way, you must be prepared if disciplinary actions are taking on you.
It wasn't an exploit. It was a bug.
A bug which a number of people "exploited" to their advantage. In gaming lexicon, that's what an exploit is by the way ...
Since when was purchasing a key and opening a lockbox considered a exploit?
An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.
Sounds like an exploit to me. Unless you think the devs meant to do it to raise some extra cash.
Did Cryptic, at anytime before the patch (like when it was reported) or during the time when the odds were increased, say that it was NOT working as intended?
Since the chances of getting a mount increased by about 100 times the normal yield for roughly 40 minutes last Thursday morning when the patch went live. People now refer to it as Nightmare Thursday.
I agree with reality, no matter how relative. However the reality you refer to is not actually legitimized. Please prove me wrong. Don't show me pictures that could pertain to a multitude of different interpretations. Those pictures wouldn't even hold up in a court of law let alone a theoretical discussion.
How would a player use something that is unknown to their advantage? You can't exploit something - that is, take advantage of it- if it's not known.
Unfortunately, no they didn't, but I imagine that the constant message spamming of Nightmare Mount acquisitions may have tipped them and everyone else off as to what was going on.
People could have suspected it was a bug, or people could have thought it was WAI, since Cryptic choose to ignore the original report.
So the guys who bought 10 keys and got 5 mounts or whatever did not know something was wrong. They just figured they were lucky and I am sure all of them immediatly booked a ticket to monte carlo. That is after they alerted all thier pals to the great luck they were having, and then pwe started seeing a run on zen purchases.
People should be less preoccupied with whether or not they *could* do something and more concerned with whether they *should*.
I guess in the grand scheme of things, and taking some of these posts into consideration, there may be a few people stupid enough to think it was WAI.
One major issue that would have come from opting to perform a rollback is all the players who had a few lockboxes left and keys to open them, logged in as soon as the servers came back up from patching, and opened those boxes, and unexpectedly received a mount or two. I know of a few of them who gave away any extras to friends and guildmates.
Players like that did not exploit. They were, in fact, lucky. Should they have their stuff taken away because there were other players who took advantage?
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The first week I started playing this game I bought 3 keys and used them in rapid succession. If I had waited until after the patch to use my keys, I may have been lucky but I didn't and I wasn't lucky. You have to consider the thousands upon thousands of people that play this game. There is a very good chance that they were indeed lucky. If I had waited I may have been lucky as well. That wouldn't have made me an exploiter.
I mean everyone knew the lockboxes were getting changed and not dropping anymore. Who's to say (at the time) that Cryptic had just decided to increase the chance of getting a horse as part of the change?
Fact of the matter is: someone was in there messing with the drop rate ratios, for whatever reason.