Given the amount of hype around the foundry I find this hard to believe.
The care enough about the foundry to put devs that currently have finished their work, to work on the foundry. They have no team for it. But I'm fairly sure they care, just not that much
Most of my quest takes place in an orphanage. 'Nuff said.
Unfortunately, foundry authors make up a small percentage of the overall player base. We were hit the hardest by this because now we have to fix tons of errors before we can publish again. People who aren't foundry authors aren't phased by it at all / don't notice it because they have their profanity filter off and are not attempting to publish something.
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edited August 2013
. . . . . My Campaign has also been affected. This needs to be reverted for sure. Just one shining example as to why this was quite strange to do, is that Thorass is the name of the common language in the Realms and it is now censored in the Foundry. Sadly, this means I will not be able to continue my Foundry Projects until this is resolved and the filter is set back to an acceptable level suitable for The Forgotten Realms.
There is a number 4. They just don't care that much about the foundry or foundry authors.
Look how they responded and kept us updated when we were having all that trouble with the foundry not working at all. Unable to publish... etc...
Hmm. My "Old Magic" has a book titled "Summoning your minions" and that wasn't tagged. But "Master Illusionist" was tagged. Are we *sure* that "minion" is profane??
I noticed while flipping on and off the regular chat filter that master was blocked but masters is not. I bet its the same for minion(s)
. . . . . My Campaign has also been affected. This needs to be reverted for sure. Just one shining example as to why this was quite strange to do, is that Thorass is the name of the common language in the Realms and it is now censored in the Foundry. Sadly, this means I will not be able to continue my Foundry Projects until this is resolved and the filter is set back to an acceptable level suitable for The Forgotten Realms.
Well thanks for the response here. Nice to know at least someone over there is reading this.
Narayan
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He's a volunteer mod, he doesn't work for Cryptic or PWE.
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. . . . . Community Moderators do work for the PWE Community Team for Neverwinter, just in a Volunteer capacity. We have direct lines of communication with PWE Staff at all times, which includes Sominator and PinPointError (Community Managers) and Dezstavus (Community Manager Lead). Part of our duties are not only to Moderate but also to help facilitate Community topics and issues posted on the forums.
Funny thing to me is I can see why Thorass might be censored right away, the last three letters. If it weren't explained here, I would have never understood the "me in" thing. I guess anything that can be related to that german party from long ago is censored now, even a book reference?
Just looking at what is censored and reason's people come up with seems pretty weird to me. Just do like the rest of the game, and let people decide if they want censored words, and let authors be creative. I mean, I don't have a problem with a profanity filter, but this goes far beyond profanity into the realm of being exactly like the things it is censoring.. in some ways worse. It's like burning library or school books because you don't like a word that was used in them.
Any word can be profane if put in a certain context. Listing the words mentioned as profane is a bit ridiculous. Hopefully PWE will go back through and strip out any words from their filter except those which actually ARE profane.. The foundry is one of the only reasons I play Neverwinter. This kind of limitation kind of takes the fun out of creating content when I can't even use normal words because someone used them in a profane way at one point..
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Hmm. My "Old Magic" has a book titled "Summoning your minions" and that wasn't tagged. But "Master Illusionist" was tagged. Are we *sure* that "minion" is profane??
Has anyone tried turning off profanity filter in chat options for use in zone?
Won't help with the Foundry but you can see what people are actually saying.
You know who this does effect, thus hindering them from creating quests? Authors who actually write stories, in-depth quests that include a lot of literature, lore, or dialog. You know, quests with a theme, and a purpose.
You know who this does not effect, thus letting them become even more prominent? Players who throw together "quests" that involve nothing more than killing a ton of encounters for "lewt and uber xp" without any need for text.
Oh I don't know zbkolde. One could argue that authors who write in-depth stories are likely to have a larger vocabulary that allows them to talk their way out of, or around, the filter :cool:
If we are getting every word blocked because it means something else in another language, then we are getting very close to being in a situation of not being able to tell a decent tale unless we have a language degree (in every language).
And not everyone has one of those, let alone all of them.
Looks like Legal will kill this game dead.
Edited due to advice. (Strong feelings, breed strong actions).
Oh I don't know zbkolde. One could argue that authors who write in-depth stories are likely to have a larger vocabulary that allows them to talk their way out of, or around, the filter :cool:
This is simply nuts for everyone.
There reaches a point where writing around the filter becomes cumbersome, or causes NPCs to have broader vocabularies than they should. There is also the matter of the complete inconsistency in the application of this filter, given that there are many words on it that Cryptic themselves use freely in their content and even on their home page, as demonstrated earlier in this thread.
Thank you for the update, Zebular. Can you at least confirm that the developers are aware of this problem? I realize it's the weekend and Fury launches on Thursday, so I'm not expecting a quick resolution, but confirmation that there has been some sort of mistake and the list is being looked at would be somewhat reassuring.
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There reaches a point where writing around the filter becomes cumbersome, or causes NPCs to have broader vocabularies than they should. There is also the matter of the complete inconsistency in the application of this filter, given that there are many words on it that Cryptic themselves use freely in their content and even on their home page, as demonstrated earlier in this thread.
Yeah. Hence my "This is simply nuts for everyone" comment.
One reason I'm getting closer and closer to being entirely fed up with Cryptic MMOs is the habitual and constant lack of transparency and communication.
There are many other companies out there that manage a lot of open dialog with players, and do well thereby.
I wish Cryptic (and it's Cryptic, since this predates PW's ownership) would get over their habitual silence.
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Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
One reason I'm getting closer and closer to being entirely fed up with Cryptic MMOs is the habitual and constant lack of transparency and communication.
There are many other companies out there that manage a lot of open dialog with players, and do well thereby.
I agree with this, the silence is kind of annoying. Why can't Cryptic manage what so many other game companies can do?
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The care enough about the foundry to put devs that currently have finished their work, to work on the foundry. They have no team for it. But I'm fairly sure they care, just not that much
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Most of my quest takes place in an orphanage. 'Nuff said.
Unfortunately, foundry authors make up a small percentage of the overall player base. We were hit the hardest by this because now we have to fix tons of errors before we can publish again. People who aren't foundry authors aren't phased by it at all / don't notice it because they have their profanity filter off and are not attempting to publish something.
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I noticed while flipping on and off the regular chat filter that master was blocked but masters is not. I bet its the same for minion(s)
Well thanks for the response here. Nice to know at least someone over there is reading this.
Narayan
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Just looking at what is censored and reason's people come up with seems pretty weird to me. Just do like the rest of the game, and let people decide if they want censored words, and let authors be creative. I mean, I don't have a problem with a profanity filter, but this goes far beyond profanity into the realm of being exactly like the things it is censoring.. in some ways worse. It's like burning library or school books because you don't like a word that was used in them.
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You know who this does not effect, thus letting them become even more prominent? Players who throw together "quests" that involve nothing more than killing a ton of encounters for "lewt and uber xp" without any need for text.
Hmm.
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This is simply nuts for everyone.
If we are getting every word blocked because it means something else in another language, then we are getting very close to being in a situation of not being able to tell a decent tale unless we have a language degree (in every language).
And not everyone has one of those, let alone all of them.
Looks like Legal will kill this game dead.
Edited due to advice. (Strong feelings, breed strong actions).
Can I say Oblivion?
There reaches a point where writing around the filter becomes cumbersome, or causes NPCs to have broader vocabularies than they should. There is also the matter of the complete inconsistency in the application of this filter, given that there are many words on it that Cryptic themselves use freely in their content and even on their home page, as demonstrated earlier in this thread.
Thank you for the update, Zebular. Can you at least confirm that the developers are aware of this problem? I realize it's the weekend and Fury launches on Thursday, so I'm not expecting a quick resolution, but confirmation that there has been some sort of mistake and the list is being looked at would be somewhat reassuring.
Nope, and I just noticed my glass of water has almost run out. Shame the tap is so far away ^^
Brethren of the Five, Campaign. - Story focused
The Dwarven Tale - Hack 'N Slash
Yeah. Hence my "This is simply nuts for everyone" comment.
No, they were just merged with this one.
Can I say 'Check your facts first?'.
Brethren of the Five, Campaign. - Story focused
The Dwarven Tale - Hack 'N Slash
Oh you idiot! :mad:
(Said with the utmost affection, of course!)
There are many other companies out there that manage a lot of open dialog with players, and do well thereby.
I wish Cryptic (and it's Cryptic, since this predates PW's ownership) would get over their habitual silence.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
I agree with this, the silence is kind of annoying. Why can't Cryptic manage what so many other game companies can do?