Changes to Foundry profanity filter?

marakthemauler

I have been working on a Foundry mission for the past couple of weeks and then today a couple of my NPC names are being marked as profane. The NPCs were named "Child". Has anyone seen this before?

writer12

When my husband went to polish his foundry quest more, he found a conversation that had been marked profane. The offending word, "backside". He even changed it to "hide", and it was still being marked as profane.

Correction: It was "did me", as in did me in. The filters seem to be over zealous.

saerrael

Okay... This certainly changed just now. I published for Alpha testing earlier today before the patch and now have profanity, apparently.
Since when is 'Master' profanity?
Aside that, I'm not certain I can be happy with jumping through too many hoops. 'Over zealous', most definitely.

boomba66

saerrael wrote: »

Okay... This certainly changed just now. I published for Alpha testing earlier today before the patch and now have profanity, apparently.
Since when is 'Master' profanity?
Aside that, I'm not certain I can be happy with jumping through too many hoops. 'Over zealous', most definitely.

I have witnessed two bugs of late. One is the autosave bug where it asks you after you've published to go to autosave. I didn't click it and it changed all of my edits from the previous update even though I saved.

Second all of my three foundry's when I go to edit them are now showing profanity. I wonder if they got the language mixed up because for the life of me I cannot figure out where I have any in most of the lines thy are saying are profane.

raphaeldisanto

Yes. LLL now has 16 dialogue errors, but they all boil down to these 3 words/phrases.

"child"

"master"

"me in"

saerrael

Even the item I use for fail text triggers (Master key) is flagged.
...this is annoying.
Anyone know if this effects published quests?

mischievousxspirit

I also just got flagged for the word "child." and I wasn't flagged immediately preceding the patch, so it's something new.

writer12

saerrael wrote: »

Anyone know if this effects published quests?

I was able to search for my husband's quest, accept it, and get past the dialog that had the profane word. His was already published prior to this patch, so I don't know the effect it will have on publishing it to the game.

raphaeldisanto

I really feel sorry for all those german-language speakers trying to talk about their stuff now.

saerrael

writer12 wrote: »

I was able to search for my husband's quest, accept it, and get past the dialog that had the profane word. His was already published prior to this patch, so I don't know the effect it will have on publishing it to the game.

Thank you kindly for the information.

aaldaemon

Oh... I am scared of publishing an update version of my quest now, it's probably going to be affected by this filter.

dammad

I got hit too ,but I assumed it was my name Dammon. My quest is a story quest so yes I mention a child an orphan being taken in by the Hero of Amn....So its gotta be a bug. These devs are either tired, stupid or trolling us. You choose.

moonchipz

Ok so far the new profane words I've noticed so far:
child
jungle
master
me in
one eyed
pens

... if you were to go to any school you'd hear some of those words 500 times in any given day... if its ok for pre-school kids, it should be ok for us.

taevannya

THIS is obscene. This is what reviewing is for because anyone can come up with all sorts of everyday words to be derogatory in nature. They need to fix this. It is silly that because some word resembles a foreign profane word that others have suffer for it. I've gotten hit for 'master' and 'child'. The Foundry is the strongest aspect of this game, putting in all these restrictions on everyday words because it might offend someone who doesn't even speak my language is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Get it fixed, Cryptic. You're choking the creative player base.

dammad

Well to get to the point of the matter is these words aren't in the profanity filter ingame. If they're not blot out in the game itself then it shouldn't be blot out in the foundary. If these common senses can't be abided by than maybe closing the foundary forever should happen. I'd hate seeing it go, but to know my dialogs are gonna be stumped every time I use foundary because I can't use simple words like is, but there etc cause supposedly there is mongolian for buttplug and in american it doesn't mean buttplug-yet a mongolian gets offended at me because I say there which means buttplug in mongolian then maybe the foundary just shouldn't exist anymore.

moonchipz

@dammad the words are also filtered in the live game. Just most people have their profanity filters turned off.


edit: in what language is "child" a bad word?

taevannya

dammad wrote: »

Well to get to the point of the matter is these words aren't in the profanity filter ingame. If they're not blot out in the game itself then it shouldn't be blot out in the foundary. If these common senses can't be abided by than maybe closing the foundary forever should happen. I'd hate seeing it go, but to know my dialogs are gonna be stumped every time I use foundary because I can't use simple words like is, but there etc cause supposedly there is mongolian for buttplug and in american it doesn't mean buttplug-yet a mongolian gets offended at me because I say there which means buttplug in mongolian then maybe the foundary just shouldn't exist anymore.

Here's the thing. If the rest of your stuff isn't written in Mongolian, then it should not have to abide to the same rules. If they're that sensitive to it, then maybe Foundries should be titled with their primary language. And then it has language appropriate filters in place for it's given language as opposed to applying one rule across EVERY written language.

So, from the start, the author chooses the language of choice for their Foundry. In my case, I would choose English. A profane filter would then be put in place for the English language. I would not be subject to the same profane language rules of other languages. Just my own.

I'm sure someone would find a way to abuse this sort of system, but I'd like to see something adjust. This is a bit silly.

lhachmacar

This needs to be addressed, and soon. I think it's fair to say that most creators are interested in the Foundry to tell stories and create interesting and engaging environments, not to spend hours rewriting dialog into verbal contortions to satisfy an extremely arbitrary list of words.

There are even cups in the asset list. So why is calling it a "cup" a deal breaker?

moonchipz

Ok heres a list of the new Foundry profane words that shouldn't be profane that I have found so far:

child
jungle
master
me in
one eyed
pens
John
minion
cups
odious

... if you were to go to any school you'd hear most of these words 500 times in any given day... if its ok for pre-school kids, it should be ok for us.

marakthemauler

Well you have to be careful with the "one eyed". You never know if someone will add Willy after it. *tongue in cheek*

rogu3ish

marakthemauler wrote: »

Well you have to be careful with the "one eyed". You never know if someone will add Willy after it. *tongue in cheek*

Careful, the words tongue and cheek could be misused too!

I understand they want to protect players from foul language, but there's a filter for the sensitive. Just flag the truly offensive words and give Authors the license to be creative. I can't even use the word "idiot". If I write a character as an idiot, why can't another NPC call them out on it? Using the word fool over and over is extremely limiting.

If that's too much to ask, why not let us publish the quest anyway, and tack on a warning in the UI? Automatically prepend a warning at the beginning of the quest description: "Warning, this quest may contain profanity". Then the player can decide for themselves.

aaldaemon

I just played my foundry with filter on, to make sure the filter does not affect foundries published before it went into effect, and it didn't filter words like "master". I guess I'm not going to update my foundry till this is fixed.

boomba66

rogu3ish wrote: »

Careful, the words tongue and cheek could be misused too!

I understand they want to protect players from foul language, but there's a filter for the sensitive. Just flag the truly offensive words and give Authors the license to be creative. I can't even use the word "idiot". If I write a character as an idiot, why can't another NPC call them out on it? Using the word fool over and over is extremely limiting.

If that's too much to ask, why not let us publish the quest anyway, and tack on a warning in the UI? Automatically prepend a warning at the beginning of the quest description: "Warning, this quest may contain profanity". Then the player can decide for themselves.

"We can create a quest where we kill hundreds of things yet saying the word Child is not ok?'

"Please save my child?" that is profane?

"Journey to the Jungle and defeat the Cult." is now profane?

"I have to be in Neverwinter before the start of the plaque is a problem?

Yet

"Slaughter every Orc you can find and commit genocide." is fine for a quest. The PC police in this world once again take away there common sense.

neverwinter1776

Arrgh yep, odious is one too, and I'm assuming Minion

Keep this Post Bumped to the top, you should have typed in all caps for the Subject line LOL

Thx moon, if you didn't get a post here I would have.

NW1776

moonchipz

Yeah NP. I thought maintaining a list of the new words might be helpful. Since I'm sure its a bug, the devs might like to know exactly what we're talking about and authors might want to know as well. :P

note: confirmed words. there are some words people have mentioned but I tested and didn't get flagged.

neverwinter1776

aaldaemon wrote: »

Oh... I am scared of publishing an update version of my quest now, it's probably going to be affected by this filter.

It gets flagged before you publish.

But yeah, don't know if it will allow publishing, or it's just telling you this. Never had ANY /!\ flags before I published, so don't know if you can still publish, and they are just there to set up a warning system that your quest may break.

dunno

But apparently Odious, and Minion are on the hit list too.

NW1776

moonchipz

Hmm I don't get a flag for "odious" or "minion" or a combo of the two.

narayansingh

Here is another word to add to the list...

I have an NPC named John. It is now (after the patch) listed as profane. Are you kidding me?
I know it is a somewhat common word for bathroom, but is there some other meaning I am not aware of?

Just another tick in the column of reasons to stop wasting my money on this game.

Narayan

edit: I guess it could also mean one who pays for sex... But still...

neverwinter1776

Just to try to catch Cryptic's eye.

There are already a few threads on this, but I want to make sure that we hopefully get an answer.

Every quest now is being Flagged /!\ with profanity filter alerts. For words that in all rights NOT be flagged.
Child, minion, master, Odious etc. These are words that in-game is used without any issue, why now?

I would like to hear if these are intended, or a mistake/bug?

If they are intended, we need to know, as this profoundly affects our quests.
If they are cannon and need to stay flagged, can we still publish with these in place and have the player determine if they need to have the "filter" on or off in their OWN settings?

NW1776

neverwinter1776

moonchipz wrote: »

Hmm I don't get a flag for "odious" or "minion" or a combo of the two.

I'll have to double check, , but truly those were the only words in the sentence that I thought could possibly have sent up the flag.

Point being, the filter has gone rouge and is out of control.

NW1776

dragoncrest0

omg. This profanity filter is COMPLETELY stupid. Ugh.

The hell is wrong with them. It was perfectly fine the way it was.
Now so many people have to rework thier quests cause of this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.