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New patch. Did they just nerf GWF again?
pandapaul
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Just looked at the patch notes.. Reduced damage of slam.. Amongst other things this is one of the ONLY decent GWF skills for pve...
Are the devs idiots?? I mean seriously almost every GWF CAN'T get ANY t2/CN parties and u nerf them?? Wow just wow...
Do they have any idea what the in game environment is actually like??
Are the devs idiots?? I mean seriously almost every GWF CAN'T get ANY t2/CN parties and u nerf them?? Wow just wow...
Do they have any idea what the in game environment is actually like??
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So, perhaps you should download the test client and give the new Slam a go, and then offer some constructive criticism if you don't like it, and maybe even suggestions for what they could do instead.
Remember, though, that just because something is on test doesn't mean it will get to live.
U say download and test it? No I shouldn't have too.. But I know already it's a dumb thing to do...
And when tr was suggested a nerf people raged and look what happened the devs ran away...
Well guess what... GWF.. I quit.. Simple
And I won't log back in until they change this idea.
One very disappointed GWF.. Idiots
You don't have to test or critique the possible change, but history shows that the developers are open to feedback and sometimes change their plans due to that. Their initial plan to apply stealth drain to At-Wills for TR was abandoned after all. It is quite possible that the change to Slam could be averted or adjusted to be less extreme, if some GWFs put some thoughtful effort behind it.
Of course you can just throw up your hands in defeat instead and play a new class. However, just be prepared for the possibility that the new class may end out being changed at some point too.
In the past mmorpgs I have played.. I play one class.. One character.. That's it I'm not interested in making another.. And to suggest that "playing a different class" as a response to a stupid nerf just indicates that you as well think that they are making a mistake..
Constructive criticism? How about this? Buff GWF dps that's what they need to get any relevance in pve.. Not a nerf.. People claim they are OP in sentinel build in pvp.. This is ONLY caused by those dumb tene enchants that they devs refuse to nerf.. Also another dumb thing... And I'm not complaining that they will nerf the deflection bonus.. Cause if they are OP as that build in pvp then sure fix it... But to nerf one of the only good dps attacks they have for pve is just plain crazy..
DEVS GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD 90% Of the community won't party a GWF because there dps is TOO LOW!!! And now play with the idea to nerf GWF BEST dps skill???
Please tell me the devs have an extra chromosome or something so I can explain there incompetence...
Oh and FIX THE UNSTOPPABLE BUG omfg!!! U nerf and do nothing about this
Please also add a face palm emotion so I can spam
It here please
Feat: Master of Arms: The max Deflect bonus that this feat can provide has been reduced by 33%
They nerfing defection as well.
In my opinion, Devs must create certain dungeons that fits the GWF and makes them useful in that dungeon. GWF doesn't need buff anymore; in fact, ppl are asking to nerf them because of that silly Senti build that makes them a better tanker and dpser than GF and TR.
But that is exactly my point.. They can nerf the sentinel class so that they aren't so strong in pvp... They can nerf tene enchants too.. And this would probably solve most of the problem.. But instead they decide to nerf there dps???? I just don't understand it.. It doesn't solve the issue of sentinel builds being OP on pvp... This nerf doesn't do that.. Instead it will basicly kill them completely in pve... If they actually improved a GWF dps for pve then maybe they would get a party.. But instead nerf it. In a way that won't solve the pvp issue...
I would like to see a dev try and explain why? Cause there is absolute no reason to do this.. It's just dumb
-Duration reduced by 2 seconds(Down to 10 seconds from 12 seconds)
This isn't just a bit of a damage nerf... this is a HUGE damage nerf. It's also a huge nerf to their threat, as well.
This is the same exact situation the tr's are facing as well with the upcoming patch. Basically, all the coming changes hamper the pve tr's dmg output, but maintains their "OP-ness'' in pvp realm. I seriously don't understand what the hell the devs are doing...
The true pve balance solution:
Control Wizard:
Arcane Singularity now has a 5 to 7 target limit.
Shield Pulse now has push distance reduced by a large margin. Now applies a short stun.
Trickster Rogue:
all feats and items that give extended stealth have been reworked to prevent content skipping.
Gameplay:
health of tougher enemies have been reduced to cut down on mind numbing monotony because of singularity nerf.
With the proposed changes, almost every group will likely have a gwf to deal with the "lack" of control now present. Balance is restored.
The defensive capabilities of wet tissue paper combined with the punching power of a 12 year old girl has demoted him to a baggage handler at best..
I never played pvp with him as that's not my bag, but in pve slam was the only daily even worth using so for this to even be in the pipeline is just an odd move..
At this rate i'll just delete him..
You are joking, right?
Now GWF has 15% damage reduction for 10 seconds during Slam which means that he will be stronger in PvP but weaker in PvE. I don't know how it is supposed to help him in PvE and nerf him in PvP.
Slam is now for PvP but we have nothing for PvE as an AoE daily. Slam was great - to some degree. In epic dungeons its just utility because it doesn't deal so much damage like Crescendo used on bosses or harder mobs. But it was very very decent as an AoE daily. Now we will take reduced damage for 10 seconds but it will hurt PvP players.
I don't know what to think about it - gonna test new Slam vs many adds to see if damage reduction is really worth it.
. . . . . We have a couple forums that contain patch notes, indeed. One is for the Live Server, the other for the Preview Shard.
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Slam isn't the only thing they will nerf to GWF, I suggest you read the changes about the GWF to know how Sentinel build will be affected. You can't still conclude that they'll be better now in PvP.
GWF isnt good for PvE so lets just beat the .... of people in PvP, maybe they realize GWF needs some re-working.
Yes I can, because you are simply referring to deflection changes:
Bravery gives 8% instead of 15% when maxed out.
Master at Arms gives 2% instead of 3%.
So deflection chance changed from 18% to 10%. Deflection takes just part of damage taken - not all of it.
So now tell me what is better - guaranteed 15% damage reduction for 10 seconds or 8% deflection chance?
That makes sense......
They nerfed slam... of all things... it's like pouring salt on a open wound. Lol.
They nerfed the only good skill to use in dungeons for a GWF. On top of making the dungeons in such idiotic way that already causes GWFs to be left out of the dungeons.
I start to think that they have no idea of what they're doing. Sigh...
Ok the damage has been reduced. But in PvE damage was NEVER our issue. What we really wanted was more UTILITY. and that's exactly what we got! Aside from the interrupt, We will now be giving the entire party 15% FLAT mitigation. Because it is in the form of reducing damage of the target, it is not being calculated with other mitigation powers affecting the party. If this is not UTILITY I dont know what is. I personally will gladly take less damage on slam to provide a 15% DR for the group. Hec that's better than the DCs Foresight (feated even). This is the type of change that would get GWFs more invites, not less.
As an added Bonus: Great, now it is more useful in PvE AND PvP.
Either way I will adapt, evolve, and continue to rock face.
I'm not the one complaining. Don't assume you know what I think.
I'm not seeing anything constructive related to the issue you were originally complaining about, the changes to Slam. This looks like just more rant based complaint, and no developer is going to pay attention to that.
If it interrupts everything in the radius when first cast, as the description indicates, that can be a pretty nifty benefit as well. It seems an interesting change that has some potential.
The reduction to Deflection is a bit saddening, but it happens... Will have to see how much that matters with the Slam Damage Mitigation, though it will affect PvP a bit.
Bravery actually increasing my Run Speed will be good!
Unstoppable action, though obviously bugged, no longer granting extra AP generation will slow down Daily generation quite a bit. Though I understand it was a bug! :cool: