The rest of what I said is absolutely correct, and comes right back to the customers, as I already outlined. I'm not the one whining here however, as you are trying to accuse - you are carrying on about how customers owe the company a debt of gratitude, when its 100% the other way around. Without the company we would still be here. Without the users the company would not still be here. While some are willing to blindly spend money on the product, even in an unfinished state, the smart ones wait for the product to be proven to be something worth spending money on.
Yes Chai, we are the customers, and the customers are always right. Still, I feel we do owe the company a debt of gratitude for building a kick a$$ game and allowing us to play early and make it better. Absolutely.
I also feel Cryptic owes us their best efforts as well, which I believe they are performing.
To me Chai, this isnt about good guys vs the bad guys. I'm a straight shooter - you should know that. I just hope they continue to make the game better...
Of course the game was unfinished, thats why it is still in beta.
DDO is "unfinished" in terms of adding new features. This game is "unfinished" in terms of the TR smoke bomb CRASHING THE CLIENT in pvp matches making it into a paid version of the game, group finder still turns up completely non-viable groups, and there's still market exploits at large... big difference.
Either way, video games are a crowed market. MMOs are a crowded market. F2P MMOs are a crowded market. Wallets speak louder than forum posts, and it's a buyer's market.
Is the game finished? Of course not. The game is not dead, or dying. Its not breaking or broken. I'll meet you back on these forums in five years. Write it down. PM me. I'll tell ya again if you'd like to hear it.
This'll be great. :cool:
I'll add to it for bets sake. Never get close to 300k active customers, 200k a longshot. Within that 5 year period, percentage of NA players to EE (Everywhere Else) tips towards +-5%.
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Most people know if it smells like smells like bacon, looks like bacon and tastes like bacon, please don't try and tell us it's pork and expect us to buy it.
Yes Chai, we are the customers, and the customers are always right. Still, I feel we do owe the company a debt of gratitude for building a kick a$$ game and allowing us to play early and make it better. Absolutely.
I also feel Cryptic owes us their best efforts as well, which I believe they are performing.
To me Chai, this isnt about good guys vs the bad guys. I'm a straight shooter - you should know that. I just hope they continue to make the game better...
Sorry to say, but this is exactly the type of response one would expect from a "Community Moderator" that wants to keep their position. In fact that seems to be the attitude from all of the Moderators on here. "Don't say anything bad about Cryptic/PWE". The fact that you feel Cryptic is preforming their "Best Efforts" is effectively laughable. They have done nothing be do the opposite since BWE2. I am beginning to think that the only way to actually get the attention from PWE/Cryptic is to drive down to their headquarters in Cali and talk to them in person. Possibly with the business end of something if civility doesn't work.
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sasheriaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
Sorry to say, but this is exactly the type of response one would expect from a "Community Moderator" that wants to keep their position. In fact that seems to be the attitude from all of the Moderators on here. "Don't say anything bad about Cryptic/PWE". The fact that you feel Cryptic is preforming their "Best Efforts" is effectively laughable. They have done nothing be do the opposite since BWE2. I am beginning to think that the only way to actually get the attention from PWE/Cryptic is to drive down to their headquarters in Cali and talk to them in person. Possibly with the business end of something if civility doesn't work.
well keep in mind that if you work for a company, you can't really say bad things about it without consequences. I can't do it at my work (I can talk about it at home, but won't post it on social media) I certainly won't say it in front of my boss (note: I'm actually happy with my work)
kryndorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
Would you spend millions on content that you're not sure if the players will like? You get a core, and YES believe it or not, WE get the opportunity to mold it into what we want.
What is so hard to understand about that?
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sasheriaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited July 2013
It is interesting that people keep using the word "scam" It is not really a scam. People are told what are being offered. It was listed as open beta. It did start taking money (buying Zen) BUT the devs said there won't be any wipes.
Where is the scam? were the product in the package (HoN) package not delivered? I don't think the package include (stable fully function game with minimal bugs*)
Was it underhanded to take money in open beta? I think so, BUT the mods already explain that is industry standard. Why is it standard? it is because there are a lot of people who are willing to shell out for it. I blame facebook Almost all their game are in Beta state AND taking money
Come come now, you all do realize that the only reason for the open beta was because Perfect World were running out of money and decided to open the flood gates "early". All this chit chat about beta and soft launch and what have you really means nothing to anyone. In 6 months, people will just complain about something else, and the game will be "average". Its a fact, people will complain NO MATTER what changes are implemented.
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kryndorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Come come now, you all do realize that the only reason for the open beta was because Perfect World were running out of money and decided to open the flood gates "early". All this chit chat about beta and soft launch and what have you really means nothing to anyone. In 6 months, people will just complain about something else, and the game will be "average". Its a fact, people will complain NO MATTER what changes are implemented.
my previous comment was referring to pre open beta, then they made the decision to release open beta prior to having, IMO, a fully functional and balanced game. I am fully aware that they are making a fortune, having spent a small fortune myself - lol.
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Yes Chai, we are the customers, and the customers are always right. Still, I feel we do owe the company a debt of gratitude for building a kick a$$ game and allowing us to play early and make it better. Absolutely.
I also feel Cryptic owes us their best efforts as well, which I believe they are performing.
To me Chai, this isnt about good guys vs the bad guys. I'm a straight shooter - you should know that. I just hope they continue to make the game better...
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DDO is "unfinished" in terms of adding new features. This game is "unfinished" in terms of the TR smoke bomb CRASHING THE CLIENT in pvp matches making it into a paid version of the game, group finder still turns up completely non-viable groups, and there's still market exploits at large... big difference.
Either way, video games are a crowed market. MMOs are a crowded market. F2P MMOs are a crowded market. Wallets speak louder than forum posts, and it's a buyer's market.
This statement is subjective and an opinion only. In my opinion, this game hasn't gotten better due to the new patches.
We agree to disagree on this matter, Mr. Giantish.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
This'll be great. :cool:
I'll add to it for bets sake. Never get close to 300k active customers, 200k a longshot. Within that 5 year period, percentage of NA players to EE (Everywhere Else) tips towards +-5%.
Sorry to say, but this is exactly the type of response one would expect from a "Community Moderator" that wants to keep their position. In fact that seems to be the attitude from all of the Moderators on here. "Don't say anything bad about Cryptic/PWE". The fact that you feel Cryptic is preforming their "Best Efforts" is effectively laughable. They have done nothing be do the opposite since BWE2. I am beginning to think that the only way to actually get the attention from PWE/Cryptic is to drive down to their headquarters in Cali and talk to them in person. Possibly with the business end of something if civility doesn't work.
well keep in mind that if you work for a company, you can't really say bad things about it without consequences. I can't do it at my work (I can talk about it at home, but won't post it on social media) I certainly won't say it in front of my boss (note: I'm actually happy with my work)
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
What is so hard to understand about that?
Where is the scam? were the product in the package (HoN) package not delivered? I don't think the package include (stable fully function game with minimal bugs*)
Was it underhanded to take money in open beta? I think so, BUT the mods already explain that is industry standard. Why is it standard? it is because there are a lot of people who are willing to shell out for it. I blame facebook
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
LOL this made me laugh...
They are making millions upon millions...
They are no where near running out of money!