13.5 is my GS atm.
My power is 6.5k which is pretty much all you need.
I focus on my crit/ratio rather then power boost. The outrageous dmg comes from the critical not from the power.
But i dont really believe what your saying about those guildies of yours ... ofc they can kill you,its just a matter of luck with the timeless set thats all.Skill is involved also when you pvp other GF.
Btw just saw the timeless sword in AH its 4m AD but it doesnt suit my build so ill skip on it.
13.5 is my GS atm.
My power is 6.5k which is pretty much all you need.
I focus on my crit/ratio rather then power boost. The outrageous dmg comes from the critical not from the power.
But i dont really believe what your saying about those guildies of yours ... ofc they can kill you,its just a matter of luck with the timeless set thats all.Skill is involved also when you pvp other GF.
Btw just saw the timeless sword in AH its 4m AD but it doesnt suit my build so ill skip on it.
When looking at timeless or stalwarts when you have 5 stacks of stalwarts you dont NEED to crit to get the same damage as a crit with timeless... When you DO crit you can literally 1 shot players if you knights challenge.. Not even adding tene damage...
Not to mention in PVP the survivability difference is big and as im sure you realize the timeless gear only gives benefits for each encounter used..
Now if your saying you DONT use tene enchants and stack crit in your timeless gear well... GL beating Fear if he even still plays anymore...
Also, while I agree its pretty arrogant to say your #1, when you continually 1v1 other GFs who want to take you down AND those players are geared exactly like you are... eventually you get to a point of being undefeated where you just call yourself #1...
he even offered an AD bet to anyone who wants to challenge him... if he were still here... and you think your leet sauce... challenge him..
13.5 is my GS atm.
My power is 6.5k which is pretty much all you need.
I focus on my crit/ratio rather then power boost. The outrageous dmg comes from the critical not from the power.
But i dont really believe what your saying about those guildies of yours ... ofc they can kill you,its just a matter of luck with the timeless set thats all.Skill is involved also when you pvp other GF.
Btw just saw the timeless sword in AH its 4m AD but it doesnt suit my build so ill skip on it.
You are going to crit and a decent amount of the time with your encounters as a GF whether its 15% crit or 25%. Pumping crit will not increase you damage output. You are attacking slow and at will won't benefit much from crit. So with diminishing returns to crit its a better choice to pump Arm pen or power after. So when you crit and you will its for a 1 or 2 shot. Right now I am trying to focus on super hi Arm pen for burst on heavy plate. At 25% currently. I still like mixed High Generals/ Knights capt. for the 850 Arm pen bonus. Makes you hit extra ouchy.
If that is your GS sorry thought you were running a 13.5k Power Timeless build with P.Vorpal - Glass Canon
But I it's unlikely your timeless build can beat my build sorry. I have several guildmates with timeless, one with G-Tene's other with savage and both hit like trucks but can't beat my build.
In my testing I don't see the "huge" damage from Stalwarts when I'm at max/near max stacks. High General's/Knight's Captains two piece sets for the arpen bonuses and stacking crit/arpen does lots of damage regardless of whether you have stacks or not. If you're running a Tene build then Stalwart is a good choice (as is Timeless), but I'm not sold on it otherwise.
Okay , ill brake this down for you so you could understand my point.
My build concerns PVP and GG only.
Its PURE DMG FOCUSED with high Critcal rate and Soverity which brings me above the stalwarts dmg cap,not to mention my low cooldowns
and armor pen which is little less then 1k .../ right now im working on a PVorpal + 10's azure /3 on offense/. I really dont understand how you are happy with the power boost and the long cooldowns and that 5% more dmg resistance...... maybe your all just trying to be original with a better more supreme idea for a build but its really not working ...If you want dps on your GF the Timeless i the answer.
Glass Cannon ?! i dont think so lol, not even close ... 3k defence 1.8k deflection 43% dmg reduction and a SHIFT KEY... what more do you want pfff.
However i dont use this set while i PvE with party .. its a complety different set and weapon but thats another topic
TIMELESS ALL ON CRIT BOOST IS THE THING YOU SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT NOT ELSE
When looking at timeless or stalwarts when you have 5 stacks of stalwarts you dont NEED to crit to get the same damage as a crit with timeless... When you DO crit you can literally 1 shot players if you knights challenge.. Not even adding tene damage...
Not to mention in PVP the survivability difference is big and as im sure you realize the timeless gear only gives benefits for each encounter used..
Now if your saying you DONT use tene enchants and stack crit in your timeless gear well... GL beating Fear if he even still plays anymore...
Also, while I agree its pretty arrogant to say your #1, when you continually 1v1 other GFs who want to take you down AND those players are geared exactly like you are... eventually you get to a point of being undefeated where you just call yourself #1...
he even offered an AD bet to anyone who wants to challenge him... if he were still here... and you think your leet sauce... challenge him..
I play on the same server as Fear and i know his guild.People say they cheat pretty often even they are videos about it.They all got G to P tene's and they all brag about how cool they are.However we still manage to overplay them and stick thouse Tene's....
I would be happy to play vs Fear ...infact i will give him 1m if he wins 3 of 5
I play on the same server as Fear and i know his guild.People say they cheat pretty often even they are videos about it.They all got G to P tene's and they all brag about how cool they are.However we still manage to overplay them and stick thouse Tene's....
I would be happy to play vs Fear ...infact i will give him 1m if he wins 3 of 5
Why not jump on PTR and play vs. me and see how it goes. No rejuv pots but Major Battle PvP Pots are fine.
Why not jump on PTR and play vs. me and see how it goes. No rejuv pots but Major Battle PvP Pots are fine.
I just did apply for the character copy as soon as they mail-me back ill see how it works and let you know in pm
My build is still in progress not all stats have been caped but ill give it a go ofcourse.
I just did apply for the character copy as soon as they mail-me back ill see how it works and let you know in pm
My build is still in progress not all stats have been caped but ill give it a go ofcourse.
I'm only in Rank 8's. Really no point in going higher as the benefit is very small.
13.5 is my GS atm.
My power is 6.5k which is pretty much all you need.
I focus on my crit/ratio rather then power boost. The outrageous dmg comes from the critical not from the power.
But i dont really believe what your saying about those guildies of yours ... ofc they can kill you,its just a matter of luck with the timeless set thats all.Skill is involved also when you pvp other GF.
Btw just saw the timeless sword in AH its 4m AD but it doesnt suit my build so ill skip on it.
k sorry i was playing poe onslaught till the 22nd but i just died so im back.. I have litterally never EVER came close to losing vs a timeless set gf GCRTL tried an he died 14 times in a row to me w/o me healing 1 time between fights thats how he came to rage an call me a cheater an blah blah so on.. so I mean if you really want to test it vs me just pm in game ( you can pm/friend request cross server) an you can test it vs me on ptr.
FearITsSelf#1 GF From #1 Guild Pve/Pvp [ Lemonade Stand ]
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straun18Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 9Arc User
edited September 2013
So what now? That they feywild patch ruined stalwart power bonus, is your build completely collapsed in onto itself? Is timeless now the "goto" armor set, though you're no longer a tanking god? How have you adjusted since the patch, if at all?
So what now? That they feywild patch ruined stalwart power bonus, is your build completely collapsed in onto itself? Is timeless now the "goto" armor set, though you're no longer a tanking god? How have you adjusted since the patch, if at all?
I'm pretty certain he probably bailed from this game already.
So what now? That they feywild patch ruined stalwart power bonus, is your build completely collapsed in onto itself? Is timeless now the "goto" armor set, though you're no longer a tanking god? How have you adjusted since the patch, if at all?
Stal was nice while it lasted but the difference between sets is minimal for DPS builds. It's all about capping 1650-1750 CRT Chance & 24% ArP then stacking power on self. Knight Cap is current BiS team damage set. You can go other sets or mix-match item and do more self damage. Since the stal rework it doesn't really matter which set you run.
So what now? That they feywild patch ruined stalwart power bonus, is your build completely collapsed in onto itself? Is timeless now the "goto" armor set, though you're no longer a tanking god? How have you adjusted since the patch, if at all?
His character sheet from Gateway shows he is still wearing Stalwarts. There is probably no surer way to know that someone has left the game if they still have that set equipped...
Just follow dkcandy's guides which he has worked hard on and which even have many options for different objectives. They are effective (though not the only effective ones, especially in pvp).
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ruonthehuntMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 24Arc User
edited September 2013
Umm hi, quick question here, how are you getting to 13K power after the Stalwart nerf with all those Tenebrous? Hell even if you stacked all radiants how are you getting your power that high?
Umm hi, quick question here, how are you getting to 13K power after the Stalwart nerf with all those Tenebrous? Hell even if you stacked all radiants how are you getting your power that high?
Pet: 2500+ Power
Self: 11k is possible with Rank 10's and power stack gear.
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ruonthehuntMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 24Arc User
Umm hi, quick question here, how are you getting to 13K power after the Stalwart nerf with all those Tenebrous? Hell even if you stacked all radiants how are you getting your power that high?
Diregard lol I just read some of the forum posts hehe.
Umm hi, quick question here, how are you getting to 13K power after the Stalwart nerf with all those Tenebrous? Hell even if you stacked all radiants how are you getting your power that high?
This guide has not been updated in almost two months... Check the post date and the Last Updated at the bottom of the post.
That said, here is a basic calculation based on old Stalwarts:
1. Assuming roughly 30k HP: old Stalwarts set of 5 stacks of 5% Max HP = 1,500 x 5 = 7,500 Power.
2. Assume half the remaining Power of 13,000 - 7,500 = 5,500 is from the Conqueror Paragon's Reckless Attacker feat.
Thus, the Power from Items (not buffs) on himself would be 2,750 at most. If this is a PvE build, then that could be even lower if he had any Power on his augment class pet.
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straun18Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 9Arc User
edited September 2013
Isn't it better then, if you can 'afford' greater tenebs to go a full tank build with the appropriate set gear to maximize tank and hp and let the tenebs do the damage? that's basically waht this guy was doing, but the only debate was the gear set. that hasn't really changed 1 has hp bonus other not right
but the only debate was the gear set. that hasn't really changed 1 has hp bonus other not right
LOL.
Wow. We finally get to the point where new players have no idea as to the awesomeness that was the old Stalwarts set and the total worthless garbage that is the current set.
Ask yourself: how difficult would it be to get 7,500 Power for free while remaining defensively extremely strong with either what you are currently wearing or any other set (yes, including other classes) in the game? Think about it. Take your time...
For everyone else, stop looking at this thread and look around at more up to date builds, of which there are plenty, please!
Wow. We finally get to the point where new players have no idea as to the awesomeness that was the old Stalwarts set and the total worthless garbage that is the current set.
Ask yourself: how difficult would it be to get 7,500 Power for free while remaining defensively extremely strong with either what you are currently wearing or any other set (yes, including other classes) in the game? Think about it. Take your time...
How about 9.1-9.2k Power from the Set bonus... It's how my deflect/regen build had 11.8k Power while still being a pure tank build and my DPS version was nearly 15k power. It's why the "reworked" the set can completely broken the bonus.
How about 9.1-9.2k Power from the Set bonus... It's how my deflect/regen build had 11.8k Power while still being a pure tank build and my DPS version was nearly 15k power. It's why the "reworked" the set can completely broken the bonus.
Perhaps I should have said 7,500+, haha
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straun18Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 9Arc User
edited September 2013
Well that's the question us "news" are trying to ask. If you have the resources for g-tenebs what is the most logical strat now? It seems the crit set is just a glass cannon tank so to speak, but if you're using g-tenebs isn't it still logical to go for 2 2-piece set bonuses for hp bonus and as much defense as possible? Yes you no longer get the power but you still have the tank + the teneb damage.
This guy talks about lookign at 'other builds now' but no1 really is posting other builds per say that are updated and current and they certainly don't compare 1 to the other they just say "look what i'm doing"
Well that's the question us "news" are trying to ask. If you have the resources for g-tenebs what is the most logical strat now? It seems the crit set is just a glass cannon tank so to speak, but if you're using g-tenebs isn't it still logical to go for 2 2-piece set bonuses for hp bonus and as much defense as possible? Yes you no longer get the power but you still have the tank + the teneb damage.
This guy talks about lookign at 'other builds now' but no1 really is posting other builds per say that are updated and current and they certainly don't compare 1 to the other they just say "look what i'm doing"
Straun - I have posted all of the theory you need for GF in my thread. Go read it and post on my thread if you have questions. Fear doesn't really play anymore.
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My power is 6.5k which is pretty much all you need.
I focus on my crit/ratio rather then power boost. The outrageous dmg comes from the critical not from the power.
But i dont really believe what your saying about those guildies of yours ... ofc they can kill you,its just a matter of luck with the timeless set thats all.Skill is involved also when you pvp other GF.
Btw just saw the timeless sword in AH its 4m AD but it doesnt suit my build so ill skip on it.
When looking at timeless or stalwarts when you have 5 stacks of stalwarts you dont NEED to crit to get the same damage as a crit with timeless... When you DO crit you can literally 1 shot players if you knights challenge.. Not even adding tene damage...
Not to mention in PVP the survivability difference is big and as im sure you realize the timeless gear only gives benefits for each encounter used..
Now if your saying you DONT use tene enchants and stack crit in your timeless gear well... GL beating Fear if he even still plays anymore...
Also, while I agree its pretty arrogant to say your #1, when you continually 1v1 other GFs who want to take you down AND those players are geared exactly like you are... eventually you get to a point of being undefeated where you just call yourself #1...
he even offered an AD bet to anyone who wants to challenge him... if he were still here... and you think your leet sauce... challenge him..
You are going to crit and a decent amount of the time with your encounters as a GF whether its 15% crit or 25%. Pumping crit will not increase you damage output. You are attacking slow and at will won't benefit much from crit. So with diminishing returns to crit its a better choice to pump Arm pen or power after. So when you crit and you will its for a 1 or 2 shot. Right now I am trying to focus on super hi Arm pen for burst on heavy plate. At 25% currently. I still like mixed High Generals/ Knights capt. for the 850 Arm pen bonus. Makes you hit extra ouchy.
Whats your character name and server are you on.?
He is Scroto Baggins@dkcandy
On Mindlfayer server.
Scroto Baggins is my old character new one is with 1 g. Scroto Bagins
Message me anytime and we can try to setup a time on the PTR for some PvP.
My build concerns PVP and GG only.
Its PURE DMG FOCUSED with high Critcal rate and Soverity which brings me above the stalwarts dmg cap,not to mention my low cooldowns
and armor pen which is little less then 1k .../ right now im working on a PVorpal + 10's azure /3 on offense/. I really dont understand how you are happy with the power boost and the long cooldowns and that 5% more dmg resistance...... maybe your all just trying to be original with a better more supreme idea for a build but its really not working ...If you want dps on your GF the Timeless i the answer.
Glass Cannon ?! i dont think so lol, not even close ... 3k defence 1.8k deflection 43% dmg reduction and a SHIFT KEY... what more do you want pfff.
However i dont use this set while i PvE with party .. its a complety different set and weapon but thats another topic
TIMELESS ALL ON CRIT BOOST IS THE THING YOU SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT NOT ELSE
I play on the same server as Fear and i know his guild.People say they cheat pretty often even they are videos about it.They all got G to P tene's and they all brag about how cool they are.However we still manage to overplay them and stick thouse Tene's....
I would be happy to play vs Fear ...infact i will give him 1m if he wins 3 of 5
Why not jump on PTR and play vs. me and see how it goes. No rejuv pots but Major Battle PvP Pots are fine.
I just did apply for the character copy as soon as they mail-me back ill see how it works and let you know in pm
My build is still in progress not all stats have been caped but ill give it a go ofcourse.
I'm only in Rank 8's. Really no point in going higher as the benefit is very small.
k sorry i was playing poe onslaught till the 22nd but i just died
From #1 Guild Pve/Pvp [ Lemonade Stand ]
I'm pretty certain he probably bailed from this game already.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?437251-Guardian-Fighter-Scrotobagins-Regen-Tank-amp-DPS-Builds
Stal was nice while it lasted but the difference between sets is minimal for DPS builds. It's all about capping 1650-1750 CRT Chance & 24% ArP then stacking power on self. Knight Cap is current BiS team damage set. You can go other sets or mix-match item and do more self damage. Since the stal rework it doesn't really matter which set you run.
His character sheet from Gateway shows he is still wearing Stalwarts. There is probably no surer way to know that someone has left the game if they still have that set equipped...
Just follow dkcandy's guides which he has worked hard on and which even have many options for different objectives. They are effective (though not the only effective ones, especially in pvp).
Pet: 2500+ Power
Self: 11k is possible with Rank 10's and power stack gear.
Diregard lol I just read some of the forum posts hehe.
This guide has not been updated in almost two months... Check the post date and the Last Updated at the bottom of the post.
That said, here is a basic calculation based on old Stalwarts:
1. Assuming roughly 30k HP: old Stalwarts set of 5 stacks of 5% Max HP = 1,500 x 5 = 7,500 Power.
2. Assume half the remaining Power of 13,000 - 7,500 = 5,500 is from the Conqueror Paragon's Reckless Attacker feat.
Thus, the Power from Items (not buffs) on himself would be 2,750 at most. If this is a PvE build, then that could be even lower if he had any Power on his augment class pet.
LOL.
Wow. We finally get to the point where new players have no idea as to the awesomeness that was the old Stalwarts set and the total worthless garbage that is the current set.
Ask yourself: how difficult would it be to get 7,500 Power for free while remaining defensively extremely strong with either what you are currently wearing or any other set (yes, including other classes) in the game? Think about it. Take your time...
For everyone else, stop looking at this thread and look around at more up to date builds, of which there are plenty, please!
How about 9.1-9.2k Power from the Set bonus... It's how my deflect/regen build had 11.8k Power while still being a pure tank build and my DPS version was nearly 15k power. It's why the "reworked" the set can completely broken the bonus.
Perhaps I should have said 7,500+, haha
This guy talks about lookign at 'other builds now' but no1 really is posting other builds per say that are updated and current and they certainly don't compare 1 to the other they just say "look what i'm doing"
Straun - I have posted all of the theory you need for GF in my thread. Go read it and post on my thread if you have questions. Fear doesn't really play anymore.