There isn't going to be a full wipe. Lots of people would quit if there was. End of story.
While we're at it: if you weren't complaining about the economy last week, you don't get to complain about it now. If you're angry about a thing, and then that thing gets fixed, you don't deserve to be taken seriously when you then say "ACTUALLY I was mad about all these other things that never bothered me before!!!1one". Maybe you should trust your actual in-game experience over the hysterical rage-fueled howls of internet people.
False. A large proportion of the folks on forums support a wipe because... well, I don't actually know. It was because of all the AD people had made out of nothing nuking the economy, but now it's because of... reasons. Reasons that, oddly enough, didn't necessitate a wipe before the weekend, but do now.
People have been complaining about the exploit and the market issues because of it from day one.,, fact that the devs did nothing about it and let it tank the value of astral diamonds shows it was all planned to make zen more desirable to fork over real money for,,and that in itself is criminal
False. A large proportion of the folks on forums support a wipe because... well, I don't actually know. It was because of all the AD people had made out of nothing nuking the economy, but now it's because of... reasons. Reasons that, oddly enough, didn't necessitate a wipe before the weekend, but do now.
Bind everything to current owner and delete AD's over 300k from the characters. Of course there will be great loss but better than server wide wipe and will solve AH exploit and overwhelming number of items due to one shot bug...
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forumralcoreMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 27Arc User
False. A large proportion of the folks on forums support a wipe because... well, I don't actually know. It was because of all the AD people had made out of nothing nuking the economy, but now it's because of... reasons. Reasons that, oddly enough, didn't necessitate a wipe before the weekend, but do now.
The 'reasons' are because the AD bug didn't start yesterday; most people only JUST FOUND OUT about it yesterday. Having no REAL, CONFIRMED knowledge of the extent of the damage prior to Sunday, the only way to restore integrity to the economy is with a full wipe. The rest of the stuff is just extra; additional reasons why the economy is fubar.
People have been complaining about the exploit and the market issues because of it from day one.,, fact that the devs did nothing about it and let it tank the value of astral diamonds shows it was all planned to make zen more desirable to fork over real money for,,and that in itself is criminal
No, that is mental illness talking. You don't get to create conspiracies out of thin air and rely on them as fact. That is what psychological disorders look like.
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lastmoatMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Cryptic & Perfect World wont do it. What they could do instead is open a brand new server.
The 'reasons' are because the AD bug didn't start yesterday; most people only JUST FOUND OUT about it yesterday. Having no REAL, CONFIRMED knowledge of the extent of the damage prior to Sunday, the only way to restore integrity to the economy is with a full wipe. The rest of the stuff is just extra; additional reasons why the economy is fubar.
Did you log in on Sunday? If you honestly feel there is no difference between the economy when the exploit went public and the economy prior to that, then you are remarkably gullible at best. It's not that the damage wasn't known until Sunday, it's that the damage didn't exist until Sunday.
Did you log in on Sunday? If you honestly feel there is no difference between the economy when the exploit went public and the economy prior to that, then you are remarkably gullible at best. It's not that the damage wasn't known until Sunday, it's that the damage didn't exist until Sunday.
I played all day Sunday in fact, until the server went down (quite suddenly!). I even checked the AH (looking for some Man-at-Arms) and saw some negative value auctions. Didn't think much of it, to be honest, and moved on. Of COURSE there's a difference between the economy Sunday and prior; Sunday is when the damage was WIDESPREAD. To say that "the damage didn't exist until Sunday" is absolutely false, and completely naive. The economy has been a disaster since the first week, and after Sunday its just a COMPLETE, OBVIOUS disaster. People had hundreds of millions of AD BEFORE Sunday, from the lovely exploits that allowed them to faceroll all content. So a rollback of 7 hours or whatever it is solved only the most RECENT damage, not ALL or even most of it.
I played all day Sunday in fact, until the server went down (quite suddenly!). I even checked the AH (looking for some Man-at-Arms) and saw some negative value auctions. Didn't think much of it, to be honest, and moved on. Of COURSE there's a difference between the economy Sunday and prior; Sunday is when the damage was WIDESPREAD. To say that "the damage didn't exist until Sunday" is absolutely false, and completely naive. The economy has been a disaster since the first week, and after Sunday its just a COMPLETE, OBVIOUS disaster. People had hundreds of millions of AD BEFORE Sunday, from the lovely exploits that allowed them to faceroll all content. So a rollback of 7 hours or whatever it is solved only the most RECENT damage, not ALL or even most of it.
It's funny, because I was in the AH Saturday, looking for odds and ends pieces of gear, and didn't see any negative bids. Now, I was only looking for things I could use, and for the boots I'd crafted so I'd have an idea what to list them for. I hit the AH Sunday to check my listing price because I thought there was a discrepancy in what I listed and what I got for the one set of boots that did sell, and I still didn't see any negative bids. I was oblivious to the exploit until I came to the forums, after the game had been taken down. In other words, despite the common claim that every single player is affected, I wasn't. The amount of AD I received from the boots I crafted and sold was consistent to what I should have received after the sink. I lost more to the rollback than I did to the exploit, and to some, I didn't lose enough, since they want to wipe everything I've done.
Reading comprehension is essential in a medium that requires reading for communication.
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epitekMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 4Arc User
edited May 2013
Full wipes please. Foundry powerlevel, GF 1 shotting boss and AH exploit since day 1 = really bad start and nothing will bring a good economy except a full wipe.
Wow if i was working for PWE, id be pretty much horrified right now. Seems that only a third of the community wants to keep playing the game as it is, corrupted and ruined. 2/3 of the community is ready to sacrifice everything in order to keep the game legit.
This is an Epic Failure, the worst I have ever witnessed. Absolutely ridiculous. Grow some balls PWE and fix this situation.
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chinoduro169Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 7Arc User
edited May 2013
Wipe the server and restart anew!
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rapticorMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,078Arc User
Wow if i was working for PWE, id be pretty much horrified right now. Seems that only a third of the community wants to keep playing the game as it is, corrupted and ruined. 2/3 of the community is ready to sacrifice everything in order to keep the game legit.
Or maybe some people didn't bother voting on a pointless poll. I know I didn't. And there's only ~1650 votes total or so. I seriously doubt that's an accurate representation of the community as a whole.
I played all day Sunday in fact, until the server went down (quite suddenly!). I even checked the AH (looking for some Man-at-Arms) and saw some negative value auctions. Didn't think much of it, to be honest, and moved on. Of COURSE there's a difference between the economy Sunday and prior; Sunday is when the damage was WIDESPREAD. To say that "the damage didn't exist until Sunday" is absolutely false, and completely naive. The economy has been a disaster since the first week, and after Sunday its just a COMPLETE, OBVIOUS disaster. People had hundreds of millions of AD BEFORE Sunday, from the lovely exploits that allowed them to faceroll all content. So a rollback of 7 hours or whatever it is solved only the most RECENT damage, not ALL or even most of it.
It didn't occur to you that there was a reason cats were a currency all of a sudden, when that had never happened before? Coalescent wards had been 150k apiece since I first started playing a couple of weeks ago, a price that had remained constant-ish until I last checked on Friday. Then, on Sunday, they were 6 million. To claim that the rollback couldn't get rid of "most of" the damage is willfully ignorant at best. You "know" things that aren't true, because you prefer those things to reality. You are being an idiot on purpose, then are demanding to be told how smart you are because of it.
Or maybe some people didn't bother voting on a pointless poll. I know I didn't. And there's only ~1650 votes total or so. I seriously doubt that's an accurate representation of the community as a whole.
Especially when we were assured by cryptic early one that a full was not going to happen.
Wow if i was working for PWE, id be pretty much horrified right now. Seems that only a third of the community wants to keep playing the game as it is, corrupted and ruined. 2/3 of the community is ready to sacrifice everything in order to keep the game legit.
This is an Epic Failure, the worst I have ever witnessed. Absolutely ridiculous. Grow some balls PWE and fix this situation.
Only 2/3 of the forum community, ingame everyone else is playing and having fun.
Considering the roll back didn't unlevel my cleric this isn't fixing anything.
It started last night at like midnight PST when I was leveling from 42-46.
Zen exchange was exploding and someone buying millions of zen at 500, went on for awhile.
So this game's economy is legit screwed and it doesn't seem like Cryptic really cares, which they should since this really hurts their income.
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kysifMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
I really don't want to level my toons again, but I also don't want to be behind the curve solely due to the fact that I didn't cheat.
I'd support a wipe if it put everyone on a level playing field again, but not to just appease the angry kids who are mad that they didn't figure out the exploit earlier or spent their Zen all willy-nilly and want to start over with a better idea of how to spend it.
Cryptic has already said that they are not going to have a wipe between Open Beta and release so why are you posting this poll of nonsense? I support Cryptic's position of no wipes!
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rapticorMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,078Arc User
Cryptic has already said that they are not going to have a wipe between Open Beta and release so why are you posting this poll of nonsense? I support Cryptic's position of no wipes!
this sums up everything.
They promised no wipe so people would feel safe investing time and money into the game, wiping now breaks that promise and its called fruad.
Most people can go to banks/CC companys and tell them and those companys will do charge backs costing them more then just players but money as well.
So anyone who thinks they will do anything more then a roll back and deluding themselfs.
I asked for a wipe OR a new shard that wont be merged with the crippled economy. Dont see why this would be a problem. People who want a wipe get one and the ones who dont mind the economy can play like they used to
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rapticorMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,078Arc User
edited May 2013
It's a problem because they already have plans to merge everything to one server. Adding more servers just complicates that.
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darkvalor78Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited May 2013
I definitely support a full wipe as long as I get my Zen and Founder's AD returned. Leveling is easy in this game anyway, but the economy needs to be fixed to be fair to those of us that have spent a lot of cash on the game, Zen, etc.
I support a full wipe. I do not feel I can be on even-footing in this game for a significant amount of time due to what has happened.
Wipe it all.
This is coming from someone who has been playing almost all of OB and has amassed quite a bit, legitimately. I still feel extremely far behind some of the other individuals I have met who have benefited from all of this exploiting.
I asked for a wipe OR a new shard that wont be merged with the crippled economy. Dont see why this would be a problem. People who want a wipe get one and the ones who dont mind the economy can play like they used to
It's a problem because they already have plans to merge everything to one server. Adding more servers just complicates that.
Sorry, but this seems like an uninformed, fanboi kind of statement. They are running multiple servers now... certainly they have the tech, hardware, operations and experience to run multiple servers. BREAKING THEIR PROMISE not to wipe... that's complicated, for sure. Maybe thorny from a legal point of view.
Running a second server... meh. It's not free, but breaking faith with the folks who've spent the most $$$ on the game (the most vocal supporters of wipes) is far from "free" for their income model.
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While we're at it: if you weren't complaining about the economy last week, you don't get to complain about it now. If you're angry about a thing, and then that thing gets fixed, you don't deserve to be taken seriously when you then say "ACTUALLY I was mad about all these other things that never bothered me before!!!1one". Maybe you should trust your actual in-game experience over the hysterical rage-fueled howls of internet people.
False. A large proportion of the folks on forums support a wipe because... well, I don't actually know. It was because of all the AD people had made out of nothing nuking the economy, but now it's because of... reasons. Reasons that, oddly enough, didn't necessitate a wipe before the weekend, but do now.
The 'reasons' are because the AD bug didn't start yesterday; most people only JUST FOUND OUT about it yesterday. Having no REAL, CONFIRMED knowledge of the extent of the damage prior to Sunday, the only way to restore integrity to the economy is with a full wipe. The rest of the stuff is just extra; additional reasons why the economy is fubar.
No, that is mental illness talking. You don't get to create conspiracies out of thin air and rely on them as fact. That is what psychological disorders look like.
Did you log in on Sunday? If you honestly feel there is no difference between the economy when the exploit went public and the economy prior to that, then you are remarkably gullible at best. It's not that the damage wasn't known until Sunday, it's that the damage didn't exist until Sunday.
Reset your currency to 0, but gold based on level (level 60 is 40 gold) and equipment to uncommon (green) items at your level.
The problem is unrelated to level/story progression so that part should not be reset.
I played all day Sunday in fact, until the server went down (quite suddenly!). I even checked the AH (looking for some Man-at-Arms) and saw some negative value auctions. Didn't think much of it, to be honest, and moved on. Of COURSE there's a difference between the economy Sunday and prior; Sunday is when the damage was WIDESPREAD. To say that "the damage didn't exist until Sunday" is absolutely false, and completely naive. The economy has been a disaster since the first week, and after Sunday its just a COMPLETE, OBVIOUS disaster. People had hundreds of millions of AD BEFORE Sunday, from the lovely exploits that allowed them to faceroll all content. So a rollback of 7 hours or whatever it is solved only the most RECENT damage, not ALL or even most of it.
It's funny, because I was in the AH Saturday, looking for odds and ends pieces of gear, and didn't see any negative bids. Now, I was only looking for things I could use, and for the boots I'd crafted so I'd have an idea what to list them for. I hit the AH Sunday to check my listing price because I thought there was a discrepancy in what I listed and what I got for the one set of boots that did sell, and I still didn't see any negative bids. I was oblivious to the exploit until I came to the forums, after the game had been taken down. In other words, despite the common claim that every single player is affected, I wasn't. The amount of AD I received from the boots I crafted and sold was consistent to what I should have received after the sink. I lost more to the rollback than I did to the exploit, and to some, I didn't lose enough, since they want to wipe everything I've done.
This is an Epic Failure, the worst I have ever witnessed. Absolutely ridiculous. Grow some balls PWE and fix this situation.
Or maybe some people didn't bother voting on a pointless poll. I know I didn't. And there's only ~1650 votes total or so. I seriously doubt that's an accurate representation of the community as a whole.
It didn't occur to you that there was a reason cats were a currency all of a sudden, when that had never happened before? Coalescent wards had been 150k apiece since I first started playing a couple of weeks ago, a price that had remained constant-ish until I last checked on Friday. Then, on Sunday, they were 6 million. To claim that the rollback couldn't get rid of "most of" the damage is willfully ignorant at best. You "know" things that aren't true, because you prefer those things to reality. You are being an idiot on purpose, then are demanding to be told how smart you are because of it.
Especially when we were assured by cryptic early one that a full was not going to happen.
Only 2/3 of the forum community, ingame everyone else is playing and having fun.
+1 for No wipe
It started last night at like midnight PST when I was leveling from 42-46.
Zen exchange was exploding and someone buying millions of zen at 500, went on for awhile.
So this game's economy is legit screwed and it doesn't seem like Cryptic really cares, which they should since this really hurts their income.
I'd support a wipe if it put everyone on a level playing field again, but not to just appease the angry kids who are mad that they didn't figure out the exploit earlier or spent their Zen all willy-nilly and want to start over with a better idea of how to spend it.
omg. post of the week.
this sums up everything.
They promised no wipe so people would feel safe investing time and money into the game, wiping now breaks that promise and its called fruad.
Most people can go to banks/CC companys and tell them and those companys will do charge backs costing them more then just players but money as well.
So anyone who thinks they will do anything more then a roll back and deluding themselfs.
Wipe it all.
This is coming from someone who has been playing almost all of OB and has amassed quite a bit, legitimately. I still feel extremely far behind some of the other individuals I have met who have benefited from all of this exploiting.
Sorry, but this seems like an uninformed, fanboi kind of statement. They are running multiple servers now... certainly they have the tech, hardware, operations and experience to run multiple servers. BREAKING THEIR PROMISE not to wipe... that's complicated, for sure. Maybe thorny from a legal point of view.
Running a second server... meh. It's not free, but breaking faith with the folks who've spent the most $$$ on the game (the most vocal supporters of wipes) is far from "free" for their income model.
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