I probably wouldn't of started this thread if the website took my money and gave me Zen.
I have bought plenty, spent on keys and bags etc.. But when I need it the most , to spec and start getting used to my character I get charged but don't receive the ZEN.... Angry
You do realize AD from the AH is already refined.... right?
I wasn't implying that its technically fine if cryptic don't want it then remove it (as they did with this patch) but these little QQ babys that ***** waaaaaaaa its no fair they level fast they no quest waaaaaa just stfu you won they removed it now EVERYONE has to quest and it will be like any other mmo
I wouldn't mind if there was no respec at all. Kind of feels cheap to just make character forget everything he knows and suddenly know something completely different.
Even more so in a game, where leveling up is fast. Just roll a new char... According to forums, you'll get to 60 faster than you can buy 1000 Zen, after all.
So I'm completely happy with money respec, although removing it completely would cause more less than perfect characters to be around, and IMO that would be a good thing. Now we have 1000 FOTM clones running around. If it was free, there would be 10000.
You do realize AD from the AH is already refined.... right?
Yeah I don't think people seem to grasp the fact that you can make a **** tonne of AD on the AH or Broker whatever the **** you want to call it, I made 600k today just selling **** level 5 blue enhancements. l2playmmos bros.
Lol @ QQ crycry carebear broke babies who obviously need a job.
Cannot afford six bucks? You have bigger issues in life, clearly if you cant afford to spend 10 here and there maybe you should GASP, level up skill in your real life, get a job, and do something productive.
Sheesh the number of dungeon dwellers that never leave mommys basement is ridiculous. Go get a job. The end.
or LEARN 2 PLAY. The choice is yours. Funny how I won't be needing a respec, oops, then again I have a brain and know how to build a character.
In tabletop D&D, respeccing is a matter between the DM and the players. If the player feels his character just isn't working like he planned (and this isn't because a power gamer isn't powerful enough), he can sit down and talk with the DM about changing his character up.
This situation is both similar and different in aspects. First time players will not like if they are given a chance to try out their setups. DMs are usually willing to let them respec their character to a different playstyle. However, an MMO offers respec'ing as often as you want with certain limits. That limit is money, usually, be it virtual currency or real currency.
I agree that respec'ing your character's skills in Neverwinter should be and AD charge, just like the charge for respecing your feats. Let it be the same price as the feats, in fact.
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lyth4nd3rMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 2Arc User
Given that you can't respec in D&D under normal circumstances and all..
Then there is the fact that in reality respecing is a luxury. You don't need to respec to play the game. You do need it if you like to change your build to the build of the week on a whim. So given that it isn't actually needed to play it makes perfect sense to charge those who can't live without respecing real money.
given that NWO is not D&D-Like game(ok there is something similar,enemies, places, the skills but the mechanics has nothing to do with D&D, at lvl 20 in d&d u cant have more than 500 HP for example, and u surely will not deal 1000 dmg[except with some op Powerplay Build], and etc.) but actually is just another MMORPG(funny, nice etc, but not D&D-Like), u are right .
I'm agree with people who says that respec is to "f____n" expensive. For me is ok to pay for it, but make it cheaper. 240.000 AD is like to say "f__k real life, I have to farm to respec my Control Wizard". Shame! NWO should be a game and because of that people shouldn't have to farm like hell just for respec, I can understand people who farm like hell for some EPIC items, or useful companion, or similar.
If u know what i mean :cool: .
Bye
I wasn't implying that its technically fine if cryptic don't want it then remove it (as they did with this patch) but these little QQ babys that ***** waaaaaaaa its no fair they level fast they no quest waaaaaa just stfu you won they removed it now EVERYONE has to quest and it will be like any other mmo
Dude...the only one who is having a baby tantrum here is you.
here's a question. just how many respec tokens do you think you would need on per toon?
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direcrowBanned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Respeccing is not a "luxury", its a basic function in mmorpgs due to a plethora of reasons ranging from guilds and friends changing to meet current needs, to fixing a simple mistake, to dealing with the constant mechanical changes that character classes go through over the life of an mmorpg, to simply wishing to try something new.
This isn't the p&p game. Many concessions have been made to translate D&D into an action-based mmorpg. Respecs may not be in the original game (and that is entirely up to each GM). But they are a standard amenity of mmorpg life. charging for such is a straight up money grab.
If this was about maintaining the integrity of the source material they wouldn't be in the game period. So such an argument is moot.
To use the luxury defense, one can easily apply that to just about anything really. Personal bank is luxury, more than one bag, different equipment models, customizable appearances, mounts companions, being able to carry multiple types of potions, tons of this game is a luxury, or quality of life issue. But to charge money for such a basic and widely used mechanic, is nothing short of underhanded, and sleazy.
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I cannot believe the amount of spiteful and mean people in this game, or on the forums. Why do people have to be so negative and treat others so badly?
Growing up, being a part of a D&D group was something that not many people knew you were into, and when you were around fellow players, there was respect and good natured ribbing, not this trashing and 'lolumad' stuff..
I think some of you need to step back, breathe and remember...You will get out of life, what you give.
Sister Vanity knows if you've been naughty or nice...and heals accordingly.
Yeah I don't think people seem to grasp the fact that you can make a **** tonne of AD on the AH or Broker whatever the **** you want to call it, I made 600k today just selling **** level 5 blue enhancements. l2playmmos bros.
Yeah I am by no means a hardcore grinder and I pull in about 750K a night just playing the game, it's not like it's hard.
Lol @ QQ crycry carebear broke babies who obviously need a job.
Cannot afford six bucks? You have bigger issues in life, clearly if you cant afford to spend 10 here and there maybe you should GASP, level up skill in your real life, get a job, and do something productive.
Sheesh the number of dungeon dwellers that never leave mommys basement is ridiculous. Go get a job. The end.
or LEARN 2 PLAY. The choice is yours. Funny how I won't be needing a respec, oops, then again I have a brain and know how to build a character.
lol *thumbs up*
any ways back to work for me I don't even know why I waste my time reading forums its like a train wreak so ugly and disgusting yet I can't stop reading them and getting pissed off. Due to all the 20 year olds who refuse to work or are too stupid and just live with mommy and daddy. If you can't afford the 6 bucks you clearly don't have a job or a very ****ed up financial state and this should be the last thing you worry about. As for the dwellers you don't work just level up another character if its that big of an issue
As I said before I believe at 60 we should get 1 respec and when new paragons come out 2 new encase the spec is trash but other than that I'm all for occasionally dropping 6 bucks if I NEED to respec. Which I don't because I used my brain leveling up and have a good build.
Considering that you only need to pay the money to respec your power points, and you get enough to basically buy at least everything (it seems to be structured that you need to at least have 1 point in every power, and then you put 3 in the things you might potentially use), I'm not really concerned about the cost.
The thing that players are going to be changing most often is their feats, which only costs diamonds.
Yeah I don't think people seem to grasp the fact that you can make a **** tonne of AD on the AH or Broker whatever the **** you want to call it, I made 600k today just selling **** level 5 blue enhancements. l2playmmos bros.
You are absolutely right! You find blue drops, you sell them for a bunch of AD. People need to stop winning about having to spent "real money" because it doesnt take much to actually get AD. Lets also not forget that you dont just GET EVERYTHING RIGHT AWAY. It does take time to get certain features in a game. Its called playing video games... nufffff said!
Paying rl currency to respec is the single worst idea I have ever seen in any game.
If the devs intend on implementing substantial pve and pvp content, do they expect players to simply have one spec which excels at both, or do they really expect us to respec every few minutes whilst bouncing between dungeons and battlegrounds?
They should introduce dual spec at the very least, so that we each have two builds to choose from, but ultimately, this is a pernicious and greedy scheme which will stunt the creativity and experimentation of the playerbase (which in turn will provide the devs with less valid feedback on class/skills balancing).
Shame.
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calaminthaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Yes level 20...wow those two big hours of free time, Oh yeah I guess you can hangout in Goldshire and "chat" Oh and if other people like to tinker with their build that much they deserve to be charged because they don't know how to play, or need a Character builder sim not a MMO.
Hey, free's free.
Calling someone who makes an informed decision on a purchase a fool, is kinda like my Grandfather yelling how everyone is a 'weirdo" just because the are younger than he is.
It would be foolish for me. I made an informed decision not to buy any since it would be a lot more than $12 / year.
Yeah I don't think people seem to grasp the fact that you can make a **** tonne of AD on the AH or Broker whatever the **** you want to call it, I made 600k today just selling **** level 5 blue enhancements. l2playmmos bros.
Only because the game is FLOODED with AD at the moment because of all founders and guardians. We'll see how it will be in few months.
Dude...the only one who is having a baby tantrum here is you.
I'm not mad just bored before work and putting my thoughts down on a forum full of STORMDRAGONXXDARKNESSXXSLAYERXXFLAMINGSWORDX <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> like you
Lol @ QQ crycry carebear broke babies who obviously need a job.
Cannot afford six bucks? You have bigger issues in life, clearly if you cant afford to spend 10 here and there maybe you should GASP, level up skill in your real life, get a job, and do something productive.
Sheesh the number of dungeon dwellers that never leave mommys basement is ridiculous. Go get a job. The end.
or LEARN 2 PLAY. The choice is yours. Funny how I won't be needing a respec, oops, then again I have a brain and know how to build a character.
Know how to build only one spec of a character? Does that invalidate any other spec other then yours? Why even spec choices then?
No one has an aversion or has a problem paying, but it's also not just 6 bucks because respecs are not the only thing you can buy. Vanity items are fine, but when it's starts infringing on gameplay it's not fine.
To me it's the principle. It's about fairness. But then it's hard to argue with people who flush money down the toilet for some random, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> "free" game. You know the real rich people are that way because they understand the value of money and you're not one of them. Believe me you don't sound cool.
This mock outrage about paying to respect is silly.
If Cryptic resets my specs it's free, idols give me 40K AD a pop, and six dollars if I decide to respec at 60 (which isn't a have to only a idiot, people who don't know how to play or someone who PL's through foundry thinks that) it isn't that big deal, $6.00 a couple times a year beats 15 a month all to hell, and here if I don't pay my six bucks I can log on and play, can't do that with WoWzorz.
If paying six bucks for a respect is that big of a deal you have bigger issues than a video game.
Mock outrage? Thanks for belittling everyone who has a different opinion to you on the matter.
Again we have a post from someone who has no idea of why many people want to have a more affordable way to respec or why having such a high respec price in a game with quite a robust character progression system is actually bad for the game.
Please try to understand that many people who want an affordable repec option will be respeccing much more than twice a year and their purpose will be to explore new builds. Spending $6 is a ridiculously large amount of money to do that, which will stop all but the very rich, crazy, or those who love grinding AD from respeccing to experiment and build the game's meta.
You obviously do not play mmos in this way, and that is fine; but many mmo players love this element of experimentation and tinkering and it is something that can be done in many popular mmos on the market without having to pay out hard cash- even ones like GW which are B2P- ie effectively cheaper than a "f2P" game.
Know how to build only one spec of a character? Does that invalidate any other spec other then yours? Why even spec choices then?
No one has an aversion or has a problem paying, but it's also not just 6 bucks because respecs are not the only thing you can buy. Vanity items are fine, but when it's starts infringing on gameplay it's not fine.
To me it's the principle. It's about fairness. But then it's hard to argue with people who flush money down the toilet for some random, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> "free" game. You know the real rich people are that way because they understand the value of money and you're not one of them. Believe me you don't sound cool.
someones a basement dweller get out there and get a job ffs go do landscaping or something even McDonald's you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>
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Actually it isn't fine..it's bannable now.
You do realize AD from the AH is already refined.... right?
Give. Me. A. Break.
You have to be joking.
If they did this, the playerbase will shrink, and you'll be playing with as many people as you did during your head start.
Dumb idea.
I agree it would be dumb. But I'm not gonna lie, the community was fantastic during early access....
Even more so in a game, where leveling up is fast. Just roll a new char... According to forums, you'll get to 60 faster than you can buy 1000 Zen, after all.
So I'm completely happy with money respec, although removing it completely would cause more less than perfect characters to be around, and IMO that would be a good thing. Now we have 1000 FOTM clones running around. If it was free, there would be 10000.
Yeah I don't think people seem to grasp the fact that you can make a **** tonne of AD on the AH or Broker whatever the **** you want to call it, I made 600k today just selling **** level 5 blue enhancements. l2playmmos bros.
Cannot afford six bucks? You have bigger issues in life, clearly if you cant afford to spend 10 here and there maybe you should GASP, level up skill in your real life, get a job, and do something productive.
Sheesh the number of dungeon dwellers that never leave mommys basement is ridiculous. Go get a job. The end.
or LEARN 2 PLAY. The choice is yours. Funny how I won't be needing a respec, oops, then again I have a brain and know how to build a character.
This situation is both similar and different in aspects. First time players will not like if they are given a chance to try out their setups. DMs are usually willing to let them respec their character to a different playstyle. However, an MMO offers respec'ing as often as you want with certain limits. That limit is money, usually, be it virtual currency or real currency.
I agree that respec'ing your character's skills in Neverwinter should be and AD charge, just like the charge for respecing your feats. Let it be the same price as the feats, in fact.
given that NWO is not D&D-Like game(ok there is something similar,enemies, places, the skills but the mechanics has nothing to do with D&D, at lvl 20 in d&d u cant have more than 500 HP for example, and u surely will not deal 1000 dmg[except with some op Powerplay Build], and etc.) but actually is just another MMORPG(funny, nice etc, but not D&D-Like), u are right
I'm agree with people who says that respec is to "f____n" expensive. For me is ok to pay for it, but make it cheaper. 240.000 AD is like to say "f__k real life, I have to farm to respec my Control Wizard". Shame!
If u know what i mean :cool: .
Bye
Dude...the only one who is having a baby tantrum here is you.
This isn't the p&p game. Many concessions have been made to translate D&D into an action-based mmorpg. Respecs may not be in the original game (and that is entirely up to each GM). But they are a standard amenity of mmorpg life. charging for such is a straight up money grab.
If this was about maintaining the integrity of the source material they wouldn't be in the game period. So such an argument is moot.
To use the luxury defense, one can easily apply that to just about anything really. Personal bank is luxury, more than one bag, different equipment models, customizable appearances, mounts companions, being able to carry multiple types of potions, tons of this game is a luxury, or quality of life issue. But to charge money for such a basic and widely used mechanic, is nothing short of underhanded, and sleazy.
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Alice L'ddell - Human GF
Ludovique - Tiefling DC
I hear endgame is quite bad anyway so once I get there that might be it for me
Growing up, being a part of a D&D group was something that not many people knew you were into, and when you were around fellow players, there was respect and good natured ribbing, not this trashing and 'lolumad' stuff..
I think some of you need to step back, breathe and remember...You will get out of life, what you give.
I'd love 1 free one once hitting 60, I am happy to pay for the rest.
Yeah I am by no means a hardcore grinder and I pull in about 750K a night just playing the game, it's not like it's hard.
lol *thumbs up*
any ways back to work for me I don't even know why I waste my time reading forums its like a train wreak so ugly and disgusting yet I can't stop reading them and getting pissed off. Due to all the 20 year olds who refuse to work or are too stupid and just live with mommy and daddy. If you can't afford the 6 bucks you clearly don't have a job or a very ****ed up financial state and this should be the last thing you worry about. As for the dwellers you don't work just level up another character if its that big of an issue
As I said before I believe at 60 we should get 1 respec and when new paragons come out 2 new encase the spec is trash but other than that I'm all for occasionally dropping 6 bucks if I NEED to respec. Which I don't because I used my brain leveling up and have a good build.
The thing that players are going to be changing most often is their feats, which only costs diamonds.
Then again, I only played MMO for Dummies, I mean WoW, for three months before quitting, so I don't consider that game's mechanics "core" anything.
You are absolutely right! You find blue drops, you sell them for a bunch of AD. People need to stop winning about having to spent "real money" because it doesnt take much to actually get AD. Lets also not forget that you dont just GET EVERYTHING RIGHT AWAY. It does take time to get certain features in a game. Its called playing video games... nufffff said!
If the devs intend on implementing substantial pve and pvp content, do they expect players to simply have one spec which excels at both, or do they really expect us to respec every few minutes whilst bouncing between dungeons and battlegrounds?
They should introduce dual spec at the very least, so that we each have two builds to choose from, but ultimately, this is a pernicious and greedy scheme which will stunt the creativity and experimentation of the playerbase (which in turn will provide the devs with less valid feedback on class/skills balancing).
Shame.
Hey, free's free.
It would be foolish for me. I made an informed decision not to buy any since it would be a lot more than $12 / year.
Only because the game is FLOODED with AD at the moment because of all founders and guardians. We'll see how it will be in few months.
I'm not mad just bored before work and putting my thoughts down on a forum full of STORMDRAGONXXDARKNESSXXSLAYERXXFLAMINGSWORDX <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> like you
What? I said you can only refine 24,000 a day.
And I was replying to someone that said you can "farm" 30k a day.
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Know how to build only one spec of a character? Does that invalidate any other spec other then yours? Why even spec choices then?
No one has an aversion or has a problem paying, but it's also not just 6 bucks because respecs are not the only thing you can buy. Vanity items are fine, but when it's starts infringing on gameplay it's not fine.
To me it's the principle. It's about fairness. But then it's hard to argue with people who flush money down the toilet for some random, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> "free" game. You know the real rich people are that way because they understand the value of money and you're not one of them. Believe me you don't sound cool.
1 is all we need
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Mock outrage? Thanks for belittling everyone who has a different opinion to you on the matter.
Again we have a post from someone who has no idea of why many people want to have a more affordable way to respec or why having such a high respec price in a game with quite a robust character progression system is actually bad for the game.
Please try to understand that many people who want an affordable repec option will be respeccing much more than twice a year and their purpose will be to explore new builds. Spending $6 is a ridiculously large amount of money to do that, which will stop all but the very rich, crazy, or those who love grinding AD from respeccing to experiment and build the game's meta.
You obviously do not play mmos in this way, and that is fine; but many mmo players love this element of experimentation and tinkering and it is something that can be done in many popular mmos on the market without having to pay out hard cash- even ones like GW which are B2P- ie effectively cheaper than a "f2P" game.
someones a basement dweller get out there and get a job ffs go do landscaping or something even McDonald's you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>