ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited February 2013
Just to clarify this is not a Lifetime Subription.
What you pay for is what you get. Any non-gameplay content released later on such as different costumes or mounts will have an additional, separate charge.
Why would you need proof you went? Shouldn't the experience and memory of the experience be the most important part of going to see a live performance?
As far as the compare something real and physical to something fake comment, items in a game are not fake they are just not physical there is a difference. A fake item is something different than it is presented as or appears to be. I can certainly compare something that is not physical to something that is physical in terms of value to me.
Having the proof that I went because sometimes the experience seems like a dream.
Anyway physical > digital any day. The whole purpose of what I wrote was because he was comparing the Hero's Pack to collector's items. Not worth the same price.
Anyway physical > digital any day. The whole purpose of what I wrote was because he was comparing the Hero's Pack to collector's items. Not worth the same price.
That's entirely your opinion. Personally, I consider the Hero's Pack > than my Guild Wars 2 Collector's Edition. I would easily trade that Rytlock Brimstone statue for priority log-in instead of constantly being dumped into an overflow queue.
That's entirely your opinion. Personally, I consider the Hero's Pack > than my Guild Wars 2 Collector's Edition. I would easily trade that Rytlock Brimstone statue for priority log-in instead of constantly being dumped into an overflow queue.
To each their own.
I know it's my opinion. I never said it was yours or anyone else.
I love my Rytlock statue! xD I don't even play GW2 anymore. Got boring fast. Wouldn't trade it for the world. -pet's baby Rytties head-
"I would easily trade that Rytlock Brimstone statue for priority log-in instead of constantly being dumped into an overflow queue."
Makes me wonder what your opinion would be if NW doesn't live up to expectations?
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syfylisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
edited February 2013
I didn't want to write on this part of forum again mainly because I'm one step from ban but there is one thing that part from paid beta couldn't make me laugh more which is this poll.
purpleorbesMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Silverstars, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 186Bounty Hunter
edited February 2013
I know its a free to play game but like on D&D online and LOTR online both are free to play but both have add on content missions that cost cash.
So I was wondering if you get the hero of the north pack if you get future add on missions are for free to or im I just getting myself confused?
Thanks for the reply
No, I won't get any founders packs.
Huge D&D fan and looking forward to Neverwinter, I still have two reasons why I selected none.
First reason. I loved CoH, but CO and STO weren't so great for me, so I'm a bit cautious on Neverwinter.
Second Reason. I'm a huge fan of Drizzt and the last thing I wan't to play is a Menzoberranzan rogue that's a carbon copy of Drizzt.
I do like the spider mount, but on it'sown it's not 200$ worth.
I didn't want to write on this part of forum again mainly because I'm one step from ban but there is one thing that part from paid beta couldn't make me laugh more which is this poll.
lol, good catch. I got a similar number when I tried to added them up. I guess the poll can account for a higher percentage of people than have actually voted >.>
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mrjones1977Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 4Arc User
edited February 2013
You know I orginally voted no to this topic, but after some reconsideration I just might get the Guardian pack. I paid $60 for GW2, so I don't see this as being any different. Sure it is a F2P game at its core, but I think it could be good. Heck I dropped some bones on the Pathfinder Online Kickstarter.
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silvergryphMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 740Arc User
edited February 2013
I wound up buying the Guardian and 1 Starter pack.
Incidentally, the reason that the poll is higher than 100% is that you can select more than one option. Which is appropriate since there are separate reasons for buying each pack. If I had the money, I would have bought all three.
I didn't want to write on this part of forum again mainly because I'm one step from ban but there is one thing that part from paid beta couldn't make me laugh more which is this poll.
You spend all that time trying to find something wrong... I didn't vote or post because I didn't see a point in the poll. But I will reply to your post.
Why would you take the time needed to add all that up when you could just look at the pole and read this
"Multiple Choice Poll."
I don't see how you can look at something so closely, and miss something so obvious. Maybe less attempts at trolling would help.
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syfylisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
edited February 2013
LOL it took me to 2min to write this post. Poll is not working properly and I just point out that it should be fixed. I'm troll because I said that? What are these "%"for? Common sense and lot of examples say that with vote options all % from all answers should give 100% because it's stands for "ALL".
You guys are trying to make a point that somethings that's wrong in the way of making statistics is ok based on saying what?
" You can make more than one choice", "Multiple Choice Poll" - well there have to be more than one choice otherwise this is not a poll. I don't want to insult you guys, i really don't but it's just so hard when i read THAT.
ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited February 2013
There is nothing wrong with the poll itself. It is set up as a multiple choice poll.
That means you can vote for more than one option. I could vote "Heroes of the North" as well as "200 Dollars is insane."
The "percent" is the percent of voters which chose each option. It won't add up to 100% because people can vote for more than one option. In a single option poll the voting always come out to 100% because each person's vote only counts to a single option where-as, in theory, this poll could show 100% for every single option if every person selected each option.
Hopefully the wording on how to interpret the poll can explain a little clearer...
The type of poll you are describing is read as: '<number>% of people voted for this option.'
While this poll is read as: '<number.% of people voted for each option.'
I'm not saying I think this is the best poll style for the question but this is the poll the original poster chose.
Be carefull what you say or this topic will end in the hell as all the other topic that critique the founder's pack.
It feels like someone is trying to put a small wizard fist in the mouth of the comunity.
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shiaikaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
edited February 2013
Polls in this forum make my eyes bleed. So much white background. So much difficulty trying to read the text there... T_T
Sadly, it comes to mind that the Founders Packs are Perfect World Entertainment's attempt at testing how much people are willing to pay for digital content. I'm not entirely convinced this was Cryptic's doing.
Considering the sheer popularity of the R. A. Salvatore books, it makes total sense that the first carrot they dangle is a Drizzt clone pack. My only reservation to this is that based on how many have forked out $200 already, the developers will be encouraged to make further cash grabs like this again to such a hungry customer base.
For me personally, I'm hesitant to purchase any of the packs, but I may end buying the $60 pack for the same reasons as others have said. It's not much different than what I paid for Guild Wars 2 and I do want to see the MMO succeed.
However I won't crack open my wallet just because they think we'll pay it. If they get too caught up in coming up with what goodies they can charge for, then it will inevitably affect the game experience overall.
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syfylisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
There is nothing wrong with the poll itself. It is set up as a multiple choice poll.
That means you can vote for more than one option. I could vote "Heroes of the North" as well as "200 Dollars is insane."
The "percent" is the percent of voters which chose each option. It won't add up to 100% because people can vote for more than one option. In a single option poll the voting always come out to 100% because each person's vote only counts to a single option where-as, in theory, this poll could show 100% for every single option if every person selected each option.
Hopefully the wording on how to interpret the poll can explain a little clearer...
The type of poll you are describing is read as: '<number>% of people voted for this option.'
While this poll is read as: '<number.% of people voted for each option.'
I'm not saying I think this is the best poll style for the question but this is the poll the original poster chose.
It doesn't matter if poll counts answers or people that voted it should be always 100%.
Look if we have 2 options A and B and both of us can give one vote then:
-you chose A I chose B > A 1 vote 50% B 1 Vote 50%
-now if i can make 2 votes and you one A 2 votes B 1vote > then A is 66,66(6)% and B is 33,33(3)%
Even if i can't vote two times on same option it's still legit and it stil chould give 100%. The % you have in a poll is wrong, you can count people or their votes and "ALL" always is 100%. That 23,6% are extra votes which should +/- % of answers.
Sadly, it comes to mind that the Founders Packs are Perfect World Entertainment's attempt at testing how much people are willing to pay for digital content. I'm not entirely convinced this was Cryptic's doing.
Considering the sheer popularity of the R. A. Salvatore books, it makes total sense that the first carrot they dangle is a Drizzt clone pack. My only reservation to this is that based on how many have forked out $200 already, the developers will be encouraged to make further cash grabs like this again to such a hungry customer base.
For me personally, I'm hesitant to purchase any of the packs, but I may end buying the $60 pack for the same reasons as others have said. It's not much different than what I paid for Guild Wars 2 and I do want to see the MMO succeed.
However I won't crack open my wallet just because they think we'll pay it. If they get too caught up in coming up with what goodies they can charge for, then it will inevitably affect the game experience overall.
I agree with this entirely and this is the main reason I've been complaining about the pricing as well. I am concerned that this is just a blatant money grab to test how much people are willing to pay for digital items. People buying things like this sets up a precedent, which the company will then use to set up future pricing for cash shop items.
So while people are technically free to spend their own money any way they want, forking out cash for such (IMO) excessively priced digital goods could end up making that the price for everyone, not just the people buying these particular items.
It doesn't matter if poll counts answers or people that voted it should be always 100%.
Look if we have 2 options A and B and both of us can give one vote then:
-you chose A I chose B > A 1 vote 50% B 1 Vote 50%
-now if i can make 2 votes and you one A 2 votes B 1vote > then A is 66,66(6)% and B is 33,33(3)%
Even if i can't vote two times on same option it's still legit and it stil chould give 100%. The % you have in a poll is wrong, you can count people or their votes and "ALL" always is 100%. That 23,6% are extra votes which should +/- % of answers.
Pretty much,
Measurements of the percentage of something should always come up to 100%--that is what percentages means "Out of each hundred; per hundred".
Measurements of the percentage of something should always come up to 100%--that is what percentages means "Out of each hundred; per hundred".
Yah percentages should be clear, unlike Diablo 3 where you can have like 500+% on something, I was thinking when I played," If I have 100% MF it should always drop Magic Gear and 100% GF should always find gold",but it was not that way on D3.
Yah percentages should be clear, unlike Diablo 3 where you can have like 500+% on something, I was thinking when I played," If I have 100% MF it should always drop Magic Gear and 100% GF should always find gold",but it was not that way on D3.
drop rate works like let's say you have chance 20/1000 to drop some item on your lvl. When you get bonus +500% drop then it means 20x5 > 100/1000 to drop that item.
It doesn't matter if poll counts answers or people that voted it should be always 100%.
Look if we have 2 options A and B and both of us can give one vote then:
-you chose A I chose B > A 1 vote 50% B 1 Vote 50%
-now if i can make 2 votes and you one A 2 votes B 1vote > then A is 66,66(6)% and B is 33,33(3)%
Even if i can't vote two times on same option it's still legit and it stil chould give 100%. The % you have in a poll is wrong, you can count people or their votes and "ALL" always is 100%. That 23,6% are extra votes which should +/- % of answers.
Consider the case of a poll with three options, and a multiple choice poll, meaning you can pick more than one option.
Then say 10 people vote. All 10 pick option A. Five pick option B (and they also picked option A). The other five pick option C (and they all picked option A, as mentioned.)
You would thus have:
A: 100%
B: 50%
C: 50%
You can't add them up, they're separate. It wouldn't make any sense for "A" not to be 100%, because 100% of respondents picked A. It wouldn't make any sense for B not to be 50%, because 50% of respondents picked B.
It's the same for a larger poll. It wasn't a radio button poll, it was a checkbox poll. The percentages are correct.
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syfylisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
Consider the case of a poll with three options, and a multiple choice poll, meaning you can pick more than one option.
Then say 10 people vote. All 10 pick option A. Five pick option B (and they also picked option A). The other five pick option C (and they all picked option A, as mentioned.)
You would thus have:
A: 100%
B: 50%
C: 50%
You can't add them up, they're separate. It wouldn't make any sense for "A" not to be 100%, because 100% of respondents picked A. It wouldn't make any sense for B not to be 50%, because 50% of respondents picked B.
It's the same for a larger poll. It wasn't a radio button poll, it was a checkbox poll. The percentages are correct.
A 50%
B 25%
C 25%
- 100%
The fact that mutliple choices don't say how many people really voted on some option is a problem of multiple choices option which don't give you any real answer. You are guessing how many people really voted on some option.
The fact that mutliple choices don't say how many people really voted on some option is a problem of multiple choices option which don't give you any real answer. You are guessing how many people really voted on some option.
But that's wrong. I gave you an example where 100% of respondents answered "A", and you're suggesting it be reported that only 50% of them did. That's mathematically completely incorrect. The percentages you give there have no resemblance to the data. They tell the observer nothing; they might as well be random numbers.
Consider the case of a poll with three options, and a multiple choice poll, meaning you can pick more than one option.
Then say 10 people vote. All 10 pick option A. Five pick option B (and they also picked option A). The other five pick option C (and they all picked option A, as mentioned.)
You would thus have:
A: 100%
B: 50%
C: 50%
You can't add them up, they're separate. It wouldn't make any sense for "A" not to be 100%, because 100% of respondents picked A. It wouldn't make any sense for B not to be 50%, because 50% of respondents picked B.
It's the same for a larger poll. It wasn't a radio button poll, it was a checkbox poll. The percentages are correct.
A 50%
B 25%
C 25%
- 100%
The fact that mutliple choices don't say how many people really voted on some option is a problem of multiple choices option which don't give you any real answer. You are guessing how many people really voted on some option.
Actually, taking syberghost's examples into consideration you're both correct (and to some extend incorrect, depending on how you look at it). The poll is giving a percentage of how many people that have voted have voted on each option individually. From that perspective the current percentages of the poll make sense, since they're not a percentage of the total overall votes across the board compared to eachother (what syfylis is arguing it should be).
chaddiwickerMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited February 2013
Founder's Pack Question
The $20 pack can be bought multiple times. I'm particularly interested in bag space. Has there been a stated limit on how much bag space a character is allowed? Do you start with 1 bag and have a 5 bag limit? I think this is important for people to know so they don't buy multiple packages and then find out they won't be able to use some of what they bought due to any in game limits.
If this has been answered elsewhere, please direct me there. I can't get the search function to work for me. :eek:
The $20 pack can be bought multiple times. I'm particularly interested in bag space. Has there been a stated limit on how much bag space a character is allowed? Do you start with 1 bag and have a 5 bag limit? I think this is important for people to know so they don't buy multiple packages and then find out they won't be able to use some of what they bought due to any in game limits.
If this has been answered elsewhere, please direct me there. I can't get the search function to work for me. :eek:
There is a FAQ that lists most of the asked/answered questions:
The fact that mutliple choices don't say how many people really voted on some option is a problem of multiple choices option which don't give you any real answer. You are guessing how many people really voted on some option.
Dude calm down! It's a freaking forum poll. Your truly so mad you don't have a founders pack you have to bash the guys poll accuracy??? This founders pack really has brought out the crazy in you people.
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What you pay for is what you get. Any non-gameplay content released later on such as different costumes or mounts will have an additional, separate charge.
Having the proof that I went because sometimes the experience seems like a dream.
Anyway physical > digital any day. The whole purpose of what I wrote was because he was comparing the Hero's Pack to collector's items. Not worth the same price.
That's entirely your opinion. Personally, I consider the Hero's Pack > than my Guild Wars 2 Collector's Edition. I would easily trade that Rytlock Brimstone statue for priority log-in instead of constantly being dumped into an overflow queue.
To each their own.
I know it's my opinion. I never said it was yours or anyone else.
I love my Rytlock statue! xD I don't even play GW2 anymore. Got boring fast. Wouldn't trade it for the world. -pet's baby Rytties head-
"I would easily trade that Rytlock Brimstone statue for priority log-in instead of constantly being dumped into an overflow queue."
Makes me wonder what your opinion would be if NW doesn't live up to expectations?
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My work: Heroes Blacksmith - Library
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?21051-Heroes-Blacksmith-Library
So I was wondering if you get the hero of the north pack if you get future add on missions are for free to or im I just getting myself confused?
Thanks for the reply
Huge D&D fan and looking forward to Neverwinter, I still have two reasons why I selected none.
First reason. I loved CoH, but CO and STO weren't so great for me, so I'm a bit cautious on Neverwinter.
Second Reason. I'm a huge fan of Drizzt and the last thing I wan't to play is a Menzoberranzan rogue that's a carbon copy of Drizzt.
I do like the spider mount, but on it'sown it's not 200$ worth.
lol, good catch. I got a similar number when I tried to added them up. I guess the poll can account for a higher percentage of people than have actually voted >.>
Incidentally, the reason that the poll is higher than 100% is that you can select more than one option. Which is appropriate since there are separate reasons for buying each pack. If I had the money, I would have bought all three.
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You spend all that time trying to find something wrong... I didn't vote or post because I didn't see a point in the poll. But I will reply to your post.
Why would you take the time needed to add all that up when you could just look at the pole and read this
"Multiple Choice Poll."
I don't see how you can look at something so closely, and miss something so obvious. Maybe less attempts at trolling would help.
You guys are trying to make a point that somethings that's wrong in the way of making statistics is ok based on saying what?
" You can make more than one choice", "Multiple Choice Poll" - well there have to be more than one choice otherwise this is not a poll. I don't want to insult you guys, i really don't but it's just so hard when i read THAT.
ps. Just to make sure, I didn't insult them.
My work: Heroes Blacksmith - Library
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?21051-Heroes-Blacksmith-Library
That means you can vote for more than one option. I could vote "Heroes of the North" as well as "200 Dollars is insane."
The "percent" is the percent of voters which chose each option. It won't add up to 100% because people can vote for more than one option. In a single option poll the voting always come out to 100% because each person's vote only counts to a single option where-as, in theory, this poll could show 100% for every single option if every person selected each option.
Hopefully the wording on how to interpret the poll can explain a little clearer...
The type of poll you are describing is read as:
'<number>% of people voted for this option.'
While this poll is read as:
'<number.% of people voted for each option.'
I'm not saying I think this is the best poll style for the question but this is the poll the original poster chose.
It feels like someone is trying to put a small wizard fist in the mouth of the comunity.
Considering the sheer popularity of the R. A. Salvatore books, it makes total sense that the first carrot they dangle is a Drizzt clone pack. My only reservation to this is that based on how many have forked out $200 already, the developers will be encouraged to make further cash grabs like this again to such a hungry customer base.
For me personally, I'm hesitant to purchase any of the packs, but I may end buying the $60 pack for the same reasons as others have said. It's not much different than what I paid for Guild Wars 2 and I do want to see the MMO succeed.
However I won't crack open my wallet just because they think we'll pay it. If they get too caught up in coming up with what goodies they can charge for, then it will inevitably affect the game experience overall.
It doesn't matter if poll counts answers or people that voted it should be always 100%.
Look if we have 2 options A and B and both of us can give one vote then:
-you chose A I chose B > A 1 vote 50% B 1 Vote 50%
-now if i can make 2 votes and you one A 2 votes B 1vote > then A is 66,66(6)% and B is 33,33(3)%
Even if i can't vote two times on same option it's still legit and it stil chould give 100%. The % you have in a poll is wrong, you can count people or their votes and "ALL" always is 100%. That 23,6% are extra votes which should +/- % of answers.
My work: Heroes Blacksmith - Library
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?21051-Heroes-Blacksmith-Library
I agree with this entirely and this is the main reason I've been complaining about the pricing as well. I am concerned that this is just a blatant money grab to test how much people are willing to pay for digital items. People buying things like this sets up a precedent, which the company will then use to set up future pricing for cash shop items.
So while people are technically free to spend their own money any way they want, forking out cash for such (IMO) excessively priced digital goods could end up making that the price for everyone, not just the people buying these particular items.
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Pretty much,
Measurements of the percentage of something should always come up to 100%--that is what percentages means "Out of each hundred; per hundred".
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Yah percentages should be clear, unlike Diablo 3 where you can have like 500+% on something, I was thinking when I played," If I have 100% MF it should always drop Magic Gear and 100% GF should always find gold",but it was not that way on D3.
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drop rate works like let's say you have chance 20/1000 to drop some item on your lvl. When you get bonus +500% drop then it means 20x5 > 100/1000 to drop that item.
My work: Heroes Blacksmith - Library
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?21051-Heroes-Blacksmith-Library
Consider the case of a poll with three options, and a multiple choice poll, meaning you can pick more than one option.
Then say 10 people vote. All 10 pick option A. Five pick option B (and they also picked option A). The other five pick option C (and they all picked option A, as mentioned.)
You would thus have:
A: 100%
B: 50%
C: 50%
You can't add them up, they're separate. It wouldn't make any sense for "A" not to be 100%, because 100% of respondents picked A. It wouldn't make any sense for B not to be 50%, because 50% of respondents picked B.
It's the same for a larger poll. It wasn't a radio button poll, it was a checkbox poll. The percentages are correct.
A 50%
B 25%
C 25%
- 100%
The fact that mutliple choices don't say how many people really voted on some option is a problem of multiple choices option which don't give you any real answer. You are guessing how many people really voted on some option.
My work: Heroes Blacksmith - Library
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?21051-Heroes-Blacksmith-Library
But that's wrong. I gave you an example where 100% of respondents answered "A", and you're suggesting it be reported that only 50% of them did. That's mathematically completely incorrect. The percentages you give there have no resemblance to the data. They tell the observer nothing; they might as well be random numbers.
Actually, taking syberghost's examples into consideration you're both correct (and to some extend incorrect, depending on how you look at it). The poll is giving a percentage of how many people that have voted have voted on each option individually. From that perspective the current percentages of the poll make sense, since they're not a percentage of the total overall votes across the board compared to eachother (what syfylis is arguing it should be).
The $20 pack can be bought multiple times. I'm particularly interested in bag space. Has there been a stated limit on how much bag space a character is allowed? Do you start with 1 bag and have a 5 bag limit? I think this is important for people to know so they don't buy multiple packages and then find out they won't be able to use some of what they bought due to any in game limits.
If this has been answered elsewhere, please direct me there. I can't get the search function to work for me. :eek:
There is a FAQ that lists most of the asked/answered questions:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?5211-Neverwinter-Online-New-Users-FAQ
...however, it doesn't appear to answer the question you're asking. I am providing it for your future convenience.
Dude calm down! It's a freaking forum poll. Your truly so mad you don't have a founders pack you have to bash the guys poll accuracy??? This founders pack really has brought out the crazy in you people.