Update:
Added wizard.
I believe Classes are as good as they can be now. More info and we can update it.
Now I will start on races. The intro which now is copy paste from website for each race, I will add more information based on lore for each listed race.
I'm afraid the map of the world on the front page is about a century out of date. Some of those continents aren't there anymore.
Updated the map to post-spellplague, updated the human race photo and removed the reference to them being a "class" in the caption.
However, I can't seem to place the map without having text below it look all weirdly aligned even with using the wiki tools. Using some enter (carriage return)s, I've ascetically made it work. If more text is added, the interactive map link may need to be fiddled with.
Its fine truth, as long as the content is there, someone else can be an editor and edit other things(maybe zebular).
Als maybe have a look at the lore at these places:- Human Elf Regions
Also, regarding the map at main page, I wanted the Faerun map at Regions while map of whole Abeir-Toril on main page. So maybe coontinent map was old as it was the only one I found. The map in the Regions page is the one needing an update perhaps and not the oone on main page.
If that is so, let me know and I will put back Abeir-Toril map on main page and Faerun page on Regions page. Or if something else is appropriate let me know.
EDIT: Done Reverted the main page back, and added the map of faerun to regions section.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited June 2012
I'll be happy to do whatever editing is needed. I've been not only a web designer but also am capable of image editing as well, having done web graphics for many years now too. I'll continue to read through all the pages that are added and updated, making any needed changes to fit into proper English spelling, grammar and punctuation. As I said earlier, if there is anything that needs attention, do feel free to contact me directly!
Holy cow, this is awesome work Gill, Truth, and Zebular!
I too can lend a hand proofreading, graphics... and anything else you might need for the wiki. By the way I see no ads. God I love AdBlock Plus!! <
HINT HINT!!
As Zebular stated, feel free to contact me about anything, you both have alternate ways to get a hold of me.
zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited June 2012
Yep, I'm only now seeing one top banner ad, which is great! When I visited wikia quite a while ago, I was bombarded with pop-ups and multiple page ads. This current state is definitely better. I'll never condone ad-blockers but that's just me and I've already stated why.
Aw thanks but my contribution is minor, I am delighted at the content being added by others. Without them, I'd not be contributing at all at this point in time. Keep up the magical works guys and gals!
Yep, I'm only now seeing one top banner ad, which is great! When I visited wikia quite a while ago, I was bombarded with pop-ups and multiple page ads. This current state is definitely better. I'll never condone ad-blockers but that's just me and I've already stated why.
Aw thanks but my contribution is minor, I am delighted at the content being added by others. Without them, I'd not be contributing at all at this point in time. Keep up the magical works guys and gals!
I'm just one of many, which is the point of how a wiki should work. Everybody, do what you can, and it will add up collectively.
Yep, I'm only now seeing one top banner ad, which is great! When I visited wikia quite a while ago, I was bombarded with pop-ups and multiple page ads. This current state is definitely better. I'll never condone ad-blockers but that's just me and I've already stated why.
Aw thanks but my contribution is minor, I am delighted at the content being added by others. Without them, I'd not be contributing at all at this point in time. Keep up the magical works guys and gals!
Gill and Truth's contributions are certainly commendable. This project is coming along fantastic, and I hope their work thusfar can inspire others to contribute what/when they can... especially once closed beta launches.
In case someone wants to take something up, let all know here first so we won't be working the same thing.
I am free after lunch break. So I will update the Races portion.
We need help with following:
Content
- Lore (Regions)
- Lore (Races - Halfling, drow, dwarf etc) - [I will take it up today] Organization
- Game Mechanics
- Monster Manual
- Important NPCs ArtWork
- Waar are the Artists!!!???!!!
Explanation of above:-
Content means the structure is created, just edit and keep adding the content in the same format as for other sub topics.
Organization means we need to create the structure that would be easy to look at (with classifications) and easy to understand both for new comers and dnd veterans.
Also, editors (For now only one is Zebular I think?) please can you make links to go back to main page from sub-page?
For example, if I am at Races section and then open human, I want a link back to Races section. So if possible a link like that or a code for a tree like format the way you see fit.
Though its not a big deal for now because of low content.
Added: The Newbie Guide to 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons
more to come! Lookin good so far boys!
EDIT: No, rather than that, I think its better to make it a 4e Terminology page with all the 4e releated abbreviations, terms going there... in alphabetical order.
EDIT: No, rather than that, I think its better to make it a 4e Terminology page with all the 4e releated abbreviations, terms going there... in alphabetical order.
Ya know, I was thinking just that right before I completed it... go with it!
p.s. That "No, rather than..." refers to something I post before which got accidentally deleted before posting. Can't remember what I did post before...
Would leave that for the end or future generations. Otherwise we can just say collectively that it is from 4e books(everything is ).
Classes are now in a better format with a box and picture. Tried some hand at coding... this wiki thing isn't that tough but its quite confusing. Will start with races either tomorrow or on thursday/friday. grr... the busy wednesdays
Zeb added navigation links and stuff (thanks ) )
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Also, editors (For now only one is Zebular I think?) please can you make links to go back to main page from sub-page?
For example, if I am at Races section and then open human, I want a link back to Races section. So if possible a link like that or a code for a tree like format the way you see fit.
Though its not a big deal for now because of low content.
Once we get more and more pages, we can turn this into a proper navigation item. Right now, adding one would mean a ton of future editing each time to update multiple page links and such. Best to start simple and once it fills up, it will be easier to create a proper template that can be used on all the pages.
For Drow lovers and Drow haters, Drow(s) is up. You may want to troll/edit/glorify/vandalize the drow(s).
Drow is both singular and plural. I own the Drow of the Underdark and no where in that book is he word, "drows" used nor have I ever read it used with a plural "s" in any of the novels I have read or any other official source-books.
Drow is both singular and plural. I own the Drow of the Underdark and no where in that book is he word, "drows" used nor have I ever read it used with a plural "s" in any of the novels I have read or any other official source-books.
That is because both "Humans are..." and "Human are..." correct. So Drow and Drows are correct. Hence the parenthesis to show that both are correct.
Here is more than a hundred years ago usage of the word:
E. Cobham Brewer 1810?1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.
Drows
or Trows. A sort of fairy race, residing in hills and caverns. They are curious artificers in iron and precious metals. (Zetland superstition.)
?I hung about thy neck that gifted chain, which all in our isles know was wrought by no earthly artist, but by the Drows in the secret recesses of their caverns.??Scott: The Pirate, chap. x.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
That is because both "Humans are..." and "Human are..." correct. So Drow and Drows are correct. Hence the parenthesis to show that both are correct.
Here is more than a hundred years ago usage of the word:
Indeed. There is no reason though to use "drows" in the Neverwinter Wiki, beyond a small mention of the real world origin, since it is not used officially at all. It would just add to confusion and misuse.
iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2012
Are we making a "Build" sub-section under classes to describe what they are, or is that just going to list under specific classes as whatever builds are assigned to said classes?
zAre we making a "Build" sub-section under classes to describe what they are, or is that just going to list under specific classes as whatever builds are assigned to said classes?
Sure. go ahead Just make sure that the change in all the pages is similar (i.e. if you create a level 2 heading at 4, create it at 4 at other places also).
Or you can just create a new page with the name of that build and link it.
That is because both "Humans are..." and "Human are..." correct. So Drow and Drows are correct. Hence the parenthesis to show that both are correct.
I'm pretty sure "Human are" is incorrect. That's a a plural verb you're using there. The correct pluralization of "human" is to put an "s" on the end. As to "Drows," there are plenty of words that require no modification to pluralize them, like "fish." Unfortunately, nouns don't necessarily follow a uniform pluralization rule, and "Drow" has been very consistently plural and singular in D&D products throughout the years.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
I'm pretty sure "Human are" is incorrect. That's a a plural verb you're using there. The correct pluralization of "human" is to put an "s" on the end. As to "Drows," there are plenty of words that require no modification to pluralize them, like "fish." Unfortunately, nouns don't necessarily follow a uniform pluralization rule, and "Drow" has been very consistently plural and singular in D&D products throughout the years.
I missed that part about the usage of Humans. My reply was to the quote that the forum omitted. Aavarius is correct, "Human are" is not a correct usage. "Human" is a singular noun and to denote more than one requires an "s" on the end. The English language is a very complex one. I can think of no proper use for the term, "Human are," in a sentence beyond as a statement of discussion, like this one that it was just used in.
Plural, "The humans are adaptable. Those humans are crazy. What humans are there? Where the humans are!
Singular, "That human is adaptable. This human is crazy. What human is there? Where the human is!"
As I said though, despite the word Drow being derived from a real-word term that has separate plural and singular forms, there is no proper plural use of it with an "s" on the end, at least not in any official production that I have read. To me, using "Drows" is like saying "deers," "fishes," or "mooses" as a noun. As well, to denote every possible use of the pluralized "drow" with "(s)" is quite an eye sore in my opinion. No offense!
I'm pretty sure "Human are" is incorrect. That's a a plural verb you're using there. The correct pluralization of "human" is to put an "s" on the end. As to "Drows," there are plenty of words that require no modification to pluralize them, like "fish." Unfortunately, nouns don't necessarily follow a uniform pluralization rule, and "Drow" has been very consistently plural and singular in D&D products throughout the years.
No, both are correct but it depends on context. However most of the times the grammatically correct word is not the prevalent one. For example, at many places using humankind or human beings is grammatically correct but is skipped.
Same is the case with Drows. The grammatically correct form is Drows. However the D&D writeups were the only ones using this word in 20th century. They chose to use a word which they felt was correct.
I wouldn't link it again, but you can look at previous post for the source I had given (or search internet for it). Drow is not a fictional word. It is a real word with plural drows. But most write-ups in D&D dont use s while describing it.
Since it seems you missed the source I quoted before, I picked up another book ingoogle and here it says again on page 600 column 2:
The learned author has no doubt that trows or drows are originally the same with the Duergar of northern nation. V. vo. Drows ...
And if you really do care you will find more of these examples of Drows and Trows.
Also, Drow is just an alternative form for trow, by the way. And plural of Trow is also Trows. Just saying...
EDIT:
Now that I have searched it already, let me put another source: book
Page 118: last poem -
Have you heard? The priest flown off-
Off the hillocks, out of howes
Swarmthe demons and the drows
Black and ugly, big and little
Ugghh How fierce they cut and cuff
...
And this probably is from where the idea of drow came. (As the source listed on wikipedia with (purportedly) Gary's statement doesn't have any drows).
I could have listed more, but I need to go to office now and start my day but as I have said, plural of drow is drows.
Comments
Added wizard.
I believe Classes are as good as they can be now. More info and we can update it.
Now I will start on races. The intro which now is copy paste from website for each race, I will add more information based on lore for each listed race.
Updated the map to post-spellplague, updated the human race photo and removed the reference to them being a "class" in the caption.
However, I can't seem to place the map without having text below it look all weirdly aligned even with using the wiki tools. Using some enter (carriage return)s, I've ascetically made it work. If more text is added, the interactive map link may need to be fiddled with.
Als maybe have a look at the lore at these places:-
Human
Elf
Regions
Also, regarding the map at main page, I wanted the Faerun map at Regions while map of whole Abeir-Toril on main page. So maybe coontinent map was old as it was the only one I found. The map in the Regions page is the one needing an update perhaps and not the oone on main page.
If that is so, let me know and I will put back Abeir-Toril map on main page and Faerun page on Regions page. Or if something else is appropriate let me know.
EDIT: Done Reverted the main page back, and added the map of faerun to regions section.
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I too can lend a hand proofreading, graphics... and anything else you might need for the wiki. By the way I see no ads. God I love AdBlock Plus!! <
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As Zebular stated, feel free to contact me about anything, you both have alternate ways to get a hold of me.
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Aw thanks but my contribution is minor, I am delighted at the content being added by others. Without them, I'd not be contributing at all at this point in time.
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I'm just one of many, which is the point of how a wiki should work. Everybody, do what you can, and it will add up collectively.
Gill and Truth's contributions are certainly commendable. This project is coming along fantastic, and I hope their work thusfar can inspire others to contribute what/when they can... especially once closed beta launches.
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Throw a link to the wiki in the FAQ, Truth.
more to come! Lookin good so far boys!
** Come on melanderi, give us a scoop... how about some official artwork?
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D' OH! Seems when a chunk of my FAQ went missing and it had to be split into two sections, the Altas and Wiki sections did not get reposted.
Done!
I am free after lunch break. So I will update the Races portion.
We need help with following:
Content
- Lore (Regions)
- Lore (Races - Halfling, drow, dwarf etc) - [I will take it up today]
Organization
- Game Mechanics
- Monster Manual
- Important NPCs
ArtWork
- Waar are the Artists!!!???!!!
Explanation of above:-
Content means the structure is created, just edit and keep adding the content in the same format as for other sub topics.
Organization means we need to create the structure that would be easy to look at (with classifications) and easy to understand both for new comers and dnd veterans.
For example, if I am at Races section and then open human, I want a link back to Races section. So if possible a link like that or a code for a tree like format the way you see fit.
Though its not a big deal for now because of low content.
For Drow lovers and Drow haters, Drow(s) is up. You may want to troll/edit/glorify/vandalize the drow(s).
EDIT: No, rather than that, I think its better to make it a 4e Terminology page with all the 4e releated abbreviations, terms going there... in alphabetical order.
Ya know, I was thinking just that right before I completed it... go with it!
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did it. It is linked at the main page
p.s. That "No, rather than..." refers to something I post before which got accidentally deleted before posting. Can't remember what I did post before...
Classes Fighter and others
Alignment
And this one.
Apart from minor edits.
Would leave that for the end or future generations. Otherwise we can just say collectively that it is from 4e books(everything is
Classes are now in a better format with a box and picture. Tried some hand at coding... this wiki thing isn't that tough but its quite confusing. Will start with races either tomorrow or on thursday/friday. grr... the busy wednesdays
Zeb added navigation links and stuff (thanks
Done, template example:
==Navigation==
Return Home, Classes Home
Once we get more and more pages, we can turn this into a proper navigation item. Right now, adding one would mean a ton of future editing each time to update multiple page links and such. Best to start simple and once it fills up, it will be easier to create a proper template that can be used on all the pages.
Drow is both singular and plural. I own the Drow of the Underdark and no where in that book is he word, "drows" used nor have I ever read it used with a plural "s" in any of the novels I have read or any other official source-books.
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That is because both "Humans are..." and "Human are..." correct. So Drow and Drows are correct. Hence the parenthesis to show that both are correct.
Here is more than a hundred years ago usage of the word:
Indeed. There is no reason though to use "drows" in the Neverwinter Wiki, beyond a small mention of the real world origin, since it is not used officially at all. It would just add to confusion and misuse.
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Sure. go ahead
Or you can just create a new page with the name of that build and link it.
I'm pretty sure "Human are" is incorrect. That's a a plural verb you're using there. The correct pluralization of "human" is to put an "s" on the end. As to "Drows," there are plenty of words that require no modification to pluralize them, like "fish." Unfortunately, nouns don't necessarily follow a uniform pluralization rule, and "Drow" has been very consistently plural and singular in D&D products throughout the years.
I missed that part about the usage of Humans. My reply was to the quote that the forum omitted. Aavarius is correct, "Human are" is not a correct usage. "Human" is a singular noun and to denote more than one requires an "s" on the end. The English language is a very complex one. I can think of no proper use for the term, "Human are," in a sentence beyond as a statement of discussion, like this one that it was just used in.
Plural, "The humans are adaptable. Those humans are crazy. What humans are there? Where the humans are!
Singular, "That human is adaptable. This human is crazy. What human is there? Where the human is!"
As I said though, despite the word Drow being derived from a real-word term that has separate plural and singular forms, there is no proper plural use of it with an "s" on the end, at least not in any official production that I have read. To me, using "Drows" is like saying "deers," "fishes," or "mooses" as a noun. As well, to denote every possible use of the pluralized "drow" with "(s)" is quite an eye sore in my opinion. No offense!
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No, both are correct but it depends on context. However most of the times the grammatically correct word is not the prevalent one. For example, at many places using humankind or human beings is grammatically correct but is skipped.
Same is the case with Drows. The grammatically correct form is Drows. However the D&D writeups were the only ones using this word in 20th century. They chose to use a word which they felt was correct.
I wouldn't link it again, but you can look at previous post for the source I had given (or search internet for it). Drow is not a fictional word. It is a real word with plural drows. But most write-ups in D&D dont use s while describing it.
And if you really do care you will find more of these examples of Drows and Trows.
Also, Drow is just an alternative form for trow, by the way. And plural of Trow is also Trows. Just saying...
EDIT:
Now that I have searched it already, let me put another source: book
Page 118: last poem -
Have you heard? The priest flown off-
Off the hillocks, out of howes
Swarmthe demons and the drows
Black and ugly, big and little
Ugghh How fierce they cut and cuff
...
And this probably is from where the idea of drow came. (As the source listed on wikipedia with (purportedly) Gary's statement doesn't have any drows).
I could have listed more, but I need to go to office now and start my day