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gillrmn
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Hello all,
(followup of conversation with truthseeker)
As most games have a wiki, I thought it would be a good idea to create a Neverwinter Game Wiki. However, I don't know much about it. I don't think there is a way to create a wiki on official server? I asked around, one of my friends told me that wikia has wiki's of some games.
Please let me know about what you think we should do about the wiki. Should we create one?
What my opinion on the matter is to start a wiki on wikia, in case any official wiki comes along later for us users, maybe we can import it to the official wiki. We can start with the format of some other wiki like I saw one for star wars or WoW on wikia.
If you think its a good idea, let me know and maybe we can start the project in collaboration?
(followup of conversation with truthseeker)
As most games have a wiki, I thought it would be a good idea to create a Neverwinter Game Wiki. However, I don't know much about it. I don't think there is a way to create a wiki on official server? I asked around, one of my friends told me that wikia has wiki's of some games.
Please let me know about what you think we should do about the wiki. Should we create one?
What my opinion on the matter is to start a wiki on wikia, in case any official wiki comes along later for us users, maybe we can import it to the official wiki. We can start with the format of some other wiki like I saw one for star wars or WoW on wikia.
If you think its a good idea, let me know and maybe we can start the project in collaboration?
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http://fw-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Main_Page
http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Main_Page
Not sure who created them though, players or staff.
Edit: "To contribute to the wiki, make sure you are logged into your Perfect World Account. For more information on how to edit the wiki, please visit the official User's Guide here. If you are editing a page, please include an edit summary documenting the changes you made to the page.
Before editing, make sure to read the 'Editing Conventions' page to learn the formalities."
Rusty hearts, another of PW games, has a wiki on wikia.
However, Cryptic has official wiki for CO and STO. So do we have to wait for them to create an official wiki for us? How does that process goes? Or do we create a wiki like that for rusty hearts?
Actually, those wikis are player made, cryptic has no control whatsoever over them.
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I see, I guess I will wait till sunday and let more ideas ome up. And later, maybe if more users agree, we can start with one on wikia.
And later if they come up with official wiki, we can just copy paste it all. Copy-Pasting shouldn't be that hard.
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I think Wikia might be the best bet, since it seems to have the easiest learning curve and some great built in extensions. However it has weaknesses, especially if you choose to upgrade later on.
So what does anyone have to say about which companies to host/design on? Any ideas really...
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But yeah, creation and upkeep do seem to be quite a timesink. As to whether we want to create a basic frame and wait for CB or wait for CB before creating something altogether also needs to be decided. Either way, melanderi has a point.
No, but it doesn't matter. Someone has created it so lets go help contibute
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EDIT: It seems it was created in 2010? It seems it needs to be updated badly.
No use in suggesting ad blockers, I do not use them nor do I condone with what they do. They, in essence, rob web sites of revenue. Which, in my opinion, should be a criminal offense akin to stealing. It's like sneaking in the back door of a movie theatre or some other place that charges admission. For free web sites, ads are their "admission fee." If a web site is just "so bad" with ads, I'll simply not use it and make my opinion(s) known about the issue, if I feel very strongly on that particular case.
Perfect World/Cryptic, please enable http://nw-wiki.perfectworld.com like you have done for:
Then, once enabled, put very visible link to said wiki on the main Neverwinter page and a redirect link on the forum category listing page.
Thank you for your time.
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You might want to take a look at DDO's official wiki vs DDOwiki. An official wiki is usually very basic. Most companies just dont have the time to invest, and cant even attempt to compete with an ever evolving TEAM of dedicated wiki contributors. The PW wikis you links are bare essentials. A user generated wiki has the bare essentials too, but users can create/publish much, much more information and guides that can prove beneficial to educating newcomers and be an invaluable source to the more seasoned gamers. You're just not going to get that in an official wiki.
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Seeing how all of PWE's wikis are editable by registered users, I do not see your point as to why an officially hosted wiki would be worse. If players put as much effort into an official wiki as they do "their own," then there wouldn't be an issue with DDO's wiki. Unfortunately, people tend to do what will get them recognition rather than what would be the wiser and more productive course of action.
I'd actually suggest that officially hosted wikis would be better, if not only for revenue, but also for ease of access and visibility. As well, there is no relying on a 3rd party that has no official connection to said game. As well, there would be no worry about a 3rd party's web site security, as was the case in one recent 3rd-party wiki site with some infected ads.
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Ok, well, I dont play those games or administer those wiki, but I can tell you from personal and professional experience, if PW doesn't like an entry, they can ditch the comment and possibly the author. An 100% independent, user generated and maintained wiki has far more creative license to design it to OUR liking, and insert the information WE wish to have on it.
There's nothing wrong with an official wiki, but with the girth of information that can be useful to gamers, and the limitations alone that I have mentioned, I think a separate wiki would be more popular and used more often. Just my 2 cents
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So people are going to spend time, lots of time, on helping the community, and you are going to mark them down as attention hores? Really?? Thats a really good way to get the community going in the right direction Zebular...
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I'd much rather have Perfect World/Cryptic administering anything I contribute to a Wiki rather than anonymous people with their own agendas, opinions and grievances. At least with an official administration, one can dispute things in a professional manner and expect professional results.
I won't respond to your other vulgar comment other than this, please do not put words in my mouth or try to take my words and meaning out of context.
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"Agendas and grievances" really dont have a place in a D&D wiki, of any type.
So, you'd rather have a wiki of say 50 pages of data, as opposed to hundreds of pages? A few hundred edits, as apposed to many thousands of edits?
The DDOwiki for example has been accessed 9,542,346 times. The official DDO wiki called the Compendium would hit that number in about 150 YEARS. Game developers usually dont have the TIME and resources (they will not do it for free) to put their people on a wiki, to "do it right." That's why well done wikis are normally independently run, and are a valuable resource, and why so many gamers use them.
Again I have nothing against a PWE Neverwinter wiki, I certainly would like to see it. As Melanderi states however, he'd appreciate the initial community effort... And this will really tick you off Zeb, I think those of us who plan to play the game for years should feel good about helping your fellow gamers out if you have the time and the gumption.
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If an official wiki has as much user effort put into it as an unnofical one, then I fail to see why you would ask me if, "I'd rather have a wiki of say 50 pages of data, as opposed to hundreds of pages? A few hundred edits, as apposed to many thousands of edits?"
All that is needed for an official wiki is for the officials to allow volunteers to administer the wiki database. Those volunteers would then be able to be held accountable for their actions in cases of any disputes regarding improper censorship, deletions or other related issues that you mention. Furthermore, we wouldn't have to worry about who's hosting it, updating it and paying for the domain name, hostage and bandwith fees. Keep an official ad or two keep maintenance fees down or non-existent. One or two officially maintained ads would be far better than randomly placed ads that could potentially (and have in the past) been infected with malware or even trojans.
Why would that tick me off? I also feel this way but I also feel that we should also be helping out our fellow developers as well. Why segregate the information? Why not keep in all in one place, on one official site? Such is a win-win for both our fellow gamers and our developing company and their partners.
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Malenderi make a very valid point. There's not nearly enough data to start it now... however once closed beta gets off the ground... THAT would be a great time.
Sadly time will be a challenge for me, but I certainly have the initiative to either contribute or administer it ... Regardless who runs the show, time can be alleviated by trustworthy dedicated contributors, and an administrator and a community that's appreciative.
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The page should be descriptive to those who have not ever known about NWO (to the whole D&D game as newbies, to those knowing D&D but not this NWO game, and to those who played the NWN series but don't know of this game.) Other details can be linked to said sub-pages.
Sound like a good idea?
We can definitely agree on quality over quantity, but hopefully we get both.
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oops! wrong expression. The point is, official wiki would be good as in my opinion IP(intellectual property) issues won't arise on such a server. Other wiki - I am not sure. Hope Melandri can put some light on it.
However, as I said before in the start - lets do with what we have. Later when stuff is provided to us, we will "TRANSFER" our base from point A to point B.
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Please let us know what part you are editing here so we/others can divert their effort towards something else.
The background which I plan on inserting there is this (unreferenced. Referencing, grammer and formatting would take up most time I believe.
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Needs sub pages:-
Abeir-Toril (merger and stuff)
Calander of Faerun
Spellplague
Factions
Outlying Areas: (Helm's Hold; Llast; Woods(Dread ring, Sharandar, Hotenow), Mere, etc.)
I was considering mentioning how the class builds work there as well as list them, but have decided at the moment to hold off until we know what planned builds are going to be released at launch and what ones are going to be confirmed released at a future date.
Ah... just stopped updating classes. I think it is ripe to be edited now. It was kind of a mess before so I just listed everything up. Next, just create a subpage for each and link them. Even if in future all the classes come by, it would be fine
I can take up the classes, that won't be that hard, I think what is better is you take the game mechanics section. Just make a format so anybody can keep on adding to that format. Make it so that it won't get old or bulky with time.
Wiki looks like this now:-
NW Game, background
|-Classes
| |-Martial
| | |-Fighter
| |-Divine
| | |-Cleric
| |-Arcane
| | |-Wizard
| |-Psionic
| |-Shadow
| |-Mixed
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|-Races
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|-Foundry
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|-Regions
| |-Vellosk
|-<empty>
Sounds great to me. For now, I'll pitch in my expertise on grammar, spelling, formatting and punctuation as you all seem to be doing awesome work at getting what data we do have set up. Mad props to you all on this! The only thing that I see that I can really contribute to, at this point, is just making sure everything is grammatically correct and such. I'll add in any lore that I feel might be needed, however my knowledge of post-spellplague lore is quite lacking, so I'll be taking a back-seat to that while I catch up. My campaign is still Arcane Age and I have no plans on changing it to the current timeline any time soon.
If any other proof reading needs to be done to things not yet in the Wiki, please do feel free to call upon me. I can be reached at my public email address of terraseer@gmail.com - just please be sure to note "Neverwinter Wiki" in the subject line so I can spot it easy through the hundreds of emails I get every day.
Edit: Just have to say again... mad props to all who have contributed to the wikia so far. I just got done editing every page with minor edits to grammar and punctuation and man.. you all have done a remarkable job at adding information about the game and campaign setting thus far. I foresee good things, if this keeps up, regardless where the wiki is hosted!
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