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Refinement: Technical Details

noworries#8859 noworries Posts: 483 Member, Cryptic Developer Cryptic Developer
Overview Thread: https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1234031/refining-refinement

This thread will contain the different technical numbers that are really needed to understand how the new system will look and feel. I apologize for the layout of the tables, it was what the forums would allow.

Progression Charts:


Azure: Critical Strike
Dark: Movement - Armor Penetration - Life Steal
Radiant: Power
Silvery: Recovery - Deflection
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
255075 100 150 200 250 300 400 500 600 700 850 1000




Brutal: Movement - Power - Critical Strike - Defense
Cruel: Movement - Power - Recovery - Defense - Deflection
Savage: Critical Strike - Armor Penetration - Life Steal
Vicious: Armor Penetration - Power - Deflection - Life Steal
Wicked: Armor Penetration - Recovery - Defense - Movement
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
153045 60 90 120 150 180 240 300 360 420 510 600




Brutal: XP Bonus
Cruel: Glory Bonus
Savage: Gold Bonus - XP Bonus
Vicious: Glory Bonus - XP Bonus
Wicked: Gold Bonus
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
345 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16



Azure: XP Bonus
Radiant: Gold Bonus
Silvery: Glory Bonus
Training: XP Bonus
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
678 9 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 20 22 24



Black Ice: Power - Defense
Gigantic: Critical Strike - Deflection
Demonic: Armor Penetration
Draconic: Armor Penetration
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
N/AN/A50 75 105 140 175 215 275 350 425 500 600 700



Black Ice: Critical Strike - Recovery - Deflection - Life Steal
Demonic: Power - Critical Strike - Deflection - Life Steal
Draconic: Power - Recovery - Defense - Life Steal
Gigantic: Recovery - Armor Penetration - Defense
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
N/AN/A25 38 63 70 88 108 138 175 212 250 300 350



Brutal: Hit Points
Savage: Hit Points
Wicked: Hit Points
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
90180270 360 450 600 750 900 1050 1200 1500 1800 2100 2400



Draconic: Hit Points
Demonic: Hit Points
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
N/AN/A315 420 525 700 875 1050 1225 1400 1750 2100 2450 2800




Radiant: Hit Points
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
150300450 600 750 1000 1250 1500 1750 2000 2500 3000 3500 4000



Gigantic: Hit Points
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
N/AN/AN/A 210 263 350 438 525 613 700 875 1050 1225 1400



Tymora: Hidden Pouch
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
0.511.5 2 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6 6.5 7



Quartermaster's: Bag of Goods Chance
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
N/AN/AN/A N/A 0.5 0.75 1 1.5 2 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5



Arcane: Recovery - Deflection
Empowered: Power
Profane: Critical Strike - Defense
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
50100150 200 300 400 500 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1700 2000



Eldritch: Influence
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
234 5 6 7 8 10.5 13 15.5 18 20.5 23 25.5



Empowered: Hit Points
Rank 1Rank 2Rank 3Rank 4Rank 5Rank 6Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
75015002250 3000 3750 5000 6250 7500 8750 10000 12500 15000 17500 20000



Bonding
Rank 7Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
30% stats 300 Power/Defense 35% stats 350 Power/Defense 40% stats 450 Power/Defense 45% stats 550 Power/Defense 50% stats 650 Power/Defense 55% stats 750 Power/Defense 60% stats 900 Power/Defense 65% stats 1050 Power/Defense

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  • noworries#8859 noworries Posts: 483 Member, Cryptic Developer Cryptic Developer
    edited September 2017
    Dragon Hoard - will now drop gemstones (white pearl, peridot, etc.)
    Fey Blessing - Still drops enchantments
    Tenebrous - % of hitpoints dealt in Necrotic Damage and % chance to occur, no longer has hidden internal cooldown timer, caps at 28% chance to proc the highest equipped Tenebrous enchant (7% dealt at a 28% proc chance is the max)
    Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
    1234567



    Tranquil: Hit Points gained
    Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
    1250 1500 1750 2250 2750 3250 4000



    Indomitable: Damage Increase
    Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
    10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70%



    Serene: Hit Points gained
    Rank 8Rank 9Rank 10Rank 11Rank 12Rank 13Rank 14
    600 1000 1400 1800 2200 2600 3000




    Weapon and Armor Enhancements:

    These are very difficult to put into an easy to read chart on here. And because so many have scaling values they will appear very differently in game than the base values I'd be posting. The new tier typically has an increase in stats. Also in some cases different tiers were adjusted to make the progression a better flow.


    Hopefully we will get preview soon and this information will be more readily available there.
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  • rjc9000rjc9000 Posts: 2,073Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User


    Armor/Weapon Enhancement Ranks:

    RankChance SuccessRP RequiredMaterials
    Shard->Lesser1%09 Identical Shards
    Lesser->Average1%50005x Greater Potency
    Average->Greater1%1500010x Greater Potency + 3x Enchatment Stones
    Greater->Perfect1%3000015x Greater Potency + 6x Enchantment Stones
    Perfect->Pure1%4000010x Superior Potency + 3x Greater Enchantment Stones
    Pure->Transcendent1%5000015x Superior Potency + 6x Greater Enchantment Stones
    Transcendent->Unparalleled1%5500010x Ultimate Potency + 3x Superior Enchantment Stones



    Mmmmaybe I should accelerate progress on my weapon enchant project....

    Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q


    And will free Unparalleled Enchants come to the preview test store ala the the Trans enchants during Mod11's weapon enchant change?

  • trollpc#6223 trollpc Posts: 5Member Arc User
    Hello, thanks for the RP charts.

    I have a question, will the accumulated RP points be Account bound? Or I will have to send everything to my main char and break the items with that char?

    Thank you.
  • gorth7186#8576 gorth7186 Posts: 10Member Arc User
    I can see this helping newer players get into the game. On the other hand people who are high IL with multiple characters at high IL are now having to deal with another massive jump to get back to where they were. In all I am not sure how this will play out. I look forward to seeing the changes come onto preview and testing them out.
  • icyclassicyclass Posts: 205Member Arc User
    Thanks for the numbers. I'm sure this will take some time to think through but I don't see any reason to panic yet :)

    What about the gems from Storm King's Thunder that give more RP when used with Relic weapons? Will their new values be based on the higher or lower of their current values? (Also applies to Dravite from the Underdark weapon vendor.)
  • ejziponkenejziponken Posts: 887Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User


    Even more reliance on Preservation and Coalescent wards... wonderful.

    Needing a second enchantment/enhancement to go up a tier is no longer a thing. That alone significantly reduces the number of coalescent wards it takes to level up a weapon/armor Enhancement. The percentage chance of success of enchantments and runestones was improved as well, meaning fewer preservation wards needed.
    You got rid of some of the 25 and 20% chances, but added more 3 and 1% chances - tell me HOW exactly that means less wards will be needed?
    Those are new ranks.

    Currently on live the percentage chances are:
    95, 90, 85, 60, 40, 30, 25, 20, 10, 5, 3

    The new percentages are:
    100, 90, 80, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5

    Then there are two new ranks which are 3 and 1.

    On top of that, ranks 7, 8 and 9 no longer need a second rank 7, 8 and 9. Which takes out all of the ranking up of second gems over and over (which required their own preservation wards to rank up).
    So Every single player that spent months/millions on getting and upgrading Bondings now have to switch to Eldritch and Auguments because they seem to be the better choice.

    I think you might wanna look that solution over and maybe try to make the bondings still BiS over Auguments since everyone invested in that.

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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Posts: 14,231Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    icyclass said:

    What about the gems from Storm King's Thunder that give more RP when used with Relic weapons? Will their new values be based on the higher or lower of their current values? (Also applies to Dravite from the Underdark weapon vendor.)

    I would guess you can either convert the SoMI refinement directly into RP currency for the low value as-is, or restore it to convert at the higher value. And it'll be RP you can move around your account until you crunch it.

    Dravite will probably just be treated as that flat value.

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  • froger#9967 froger Posts: 211Member Arc User
    How does this system affect artifact weapons (main / off) and armor (neck / belt)? What stones will be required to upgrade?
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  • cambo1682cambo1682 Posts: 164Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    What is the plan for existing reagents? For example we have stacks of greater marks of power etc in our guild bank? Are they going to be useful one day then can only be broken down into RP the next?
  • eion311eion311 Posts: 322Member Arc User
    We do not need more ranks for enchants! I cannot understand why you would introduce more when people whine about power creep everyday.
  • lardesonlardeson Posts: 283Member Arc User
    hahahaahah 1% from average to greater. lol what? i can see myself spending over 1k pres. wards and still not getting trans. xd please look into that % on weapon and armor enhancement. thats sick xd
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  • noworries#8859 noworries Posts: 483 Member, Cryptic Developer Cryptic Developer

    How does this system affect artifact weapons (main / off) and armor (neck / belt)? What stones will be required to upgrade?

    Artifact Equipment has had the progression RP cut in half, the reagents are still the same it is just that Marks of Power/Stability/Union have been changed to all be the same thing which is called Enchanting Stones.
  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Posts: 3,379Member Arc User
    ok so I"m kind of feeling numb at all these changes. maybe this is terrible maybe it's not so bad. I honestly don't know. (but I"m still pissed about bonding changes when we've sank so much into it. it feels like false advertising) so when will it hit preview so we can form honest opinions about it?
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  • bullrathbullrath Posts: 15Member Arc User
    Just wondering dose the teneborus proc frequently now or dose it still take 30sec to proc again ?
  • hustin1hustin1 Posts: 2,885Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    edited August 2017
    @noworries can we get a better picture of the "chance" for tranquil and serene runestones? I've always wanted to try them out and I have some saved up but it's really hard to gauge whether they're worth it. I have a couple alts who rely very heavily on their companions to deal damage so keeping companions alive is a huge priority.

    (hint: outfit a Powrie with Loyal gear and all R12's and prepare to be awed :smile: )

    Oh. I don't see Azure -- Defense listed. Is it the same bonus as for Critical Strike?
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  • noworries#8859 noworries Posts: 483 Member, Cryptic Developer Cryptic Developer
    bullrath said:

    Just wondering dose the teneborus proc frequently now or dose it still take 30sec to proc again ?

    That is what removing the Internal Cooldown was referring to, it can now proc about once a second at fastest.

  • noworries#8859 noworries Posts: 483 Member, Cryptic Developer Cryptic Developer
    hustin1 said:

    @noworries can we get a better picture of the "chance" for tranquil and serene runestones? I've always wanted to try them out and I have some saved up but it's really hard to gauge whether they're worth it. I have a couple alts who rely very heavily on their companions to deal damage so keeping companions alive is a huge priority.

    That said, I'd like to plant an idea in the back of your mind if possible: with PvE enemies doing as much damage as they do, they can often take a companion down in one or two hits. It would be interesting if there was a runestone that granted a companion a chance of a (massive) temporary HP and/or defense boost. Such a runestone should only affect the companion, however, never the player.

    The HPs from Empowered were increased quite a bit to try and help with the lifespan of companions. I can look into digging up the chance on Serene and Tranquil tomorrow.
  • einsiegeinsieg Posts: 86Member Arc User
    Please introduce an offense slot runestone that gives companion influence, so as to not screw over triple offense augment companions.
  • archangelzorak01archangelzorak01 Posts: 324Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    Another excellent question:

    What will the price for these 'Ultimate Marks of Potency' be?
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Posts: 14,231Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    HP healed by Tranquil is still rinky-dinky compared to player HP pools. These were developed for level 60 and not rebalanced since.

    Serene is only reasonable compared to companion hitpoint pools because those have never been increased.

    Cooldowns/proc chances on both Tranquil and Serene are a mystery.

    Will Tymora and Fey Blessing enchants finally put their drops right into player bags? If not, they continue to be sub-par.

    Will multi-stat event enchants and content enchants still be (relatively) exclusive? Will they continue to drop at the same ranks as before?

    What will Ultimate Mark of Potency cost? Will they be added to loot tables anywhere at all?

    How will in-game sources of various ranks of Potency marks and Enchantment Stones be adjusted? Eg. Minor, while relatively inexpensive, is nearly impossible to acquire without going to the WB, which is slightly rankling.

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