after this post, it will get buried fast and not sure of mods and devs might read it that many.
proposal changes, any dungeon bosses, drop BoP items, no other junks, keep that junks reserved for non-key chests, any dungeon chests should have tradable items or account bounds and no other junks, and room bosses and mini-boss chests should be better loots than standard dungeon chests.
skirmish and CTA bosses should have special CTA seals (bonus drops), and CTA chests should have seal as reward since if no one was able to get those event companions from the chests as rewards, then CTA seals are best choice. most dungeon runs are 70 levels, and we shouldnt get any rank 5s, that is very insulting at highest order, rank 7's are the lowest end rewards. not those common rank 7s, we do want special armor/weapon enchant gems, since you devs pull out wards from T-bar vendor, that why it is very expensive to go thru zen market to get upgrades.
if you decide to throw junks, players get angry, and it is failed design since many groups i had with, they just speed run thru dungeons ignoring the drops on the ground or some will kick out anyone if they drop to pick up, some guilds dont do that, since they need for strongholds, it is ashame about any pickup groups to bypass it.
Christ you people are crazy. I've seen more of an increase in activity after this change than in most module launches. There are problems but it's a step in the right direction.
Christ you people are crazy. I've seen more of an increase in activity after this change than in most module launches. There are problems but it's a step in the right direction.
Until people run out of keys that they had saved up from being able to decline. Also, when the backlog on the ZAX returns, nobody will be able to even get Zen keys.
People are overstating the need to use a campaign key to get rewards. You don't need them because you're basically just rolling against the same loot table. It's not going significantly increase your rewards.
Ya, let's never open special chests anywhere. But wait, we will spend all of our money and time on Svardborg keys.
I never said there was no problem with SVA. Doesn't change the fact that campaign chests were never a signfiicant enough part of daily AD gains that it was worth complaining about.
Is anyone bothered that an "official" announcement that these changes are coming to console next week (after such extensive testing) is buried in the PC patch notes thread? @nitocris83 this is not effective communication.
Asking for feedback and then pushing your original plans anyway is not the way to build goodwill with the players. All the positives you built up over the last few weeks with the handling of the winter fest is now overshadowed.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
update.. Its clear as mud to me, its not worth spending keys on. In addition as we blow through saved keys now, we will run out, there is no way in hell I am going to be sitting aorund making keys.
its clear to me to.. that we need relief, 3 legendary keys , that open any chest.. with vip ranks 13,14,15..
This would help us out a ton and its a practical compromise to this situation.
12 mcs now .. 1 black thorn (will test on my gf) 16 etos now.. 1 lifesilk spinneret (will use in my dc power/recovery build) 1 fey mount.. that i put up on the AH for .. darn I dont know 10 k ad or something. 8 cns.. zero.. ZERO new loot, NO r8s besides runestones (yikes ) and mostly blue salvage still.. wowzers.. blew through my mini key collection on this.. This was the dissapointing part of it all.. just not good returns as of yet. 3 ESVA's - no new loot dropped 1 vt- no new loot 6 dread ring lairs.. no new loot as of yet 2 master of the hunts.. no new loot as of yet 3 Normal demos (want wraps.. badly) nothing dropped, just junk. 1 Edemo .. nothing but normal junk.
So total runs so far : 52 runs.. return of AD, 10k , useful items 2. The regular junk (blue and purple salvage and rp, was NORMAL loot to start with)
There just isnt enough base AD back to overcome use of purchasing secondary keys atm. I guess if your lucky , you will make your money back. Maybe after initial wave, as increased volume of dungeons, as dropped prices on certain things.
I would say , overall Im not that bothered about keys peeking going, but I am bothered, on the length and time it takes to make new keys.. even if they were just easier to make, and be made quickly, but limited to 1 a day , I would appreciate that more spending time finding mats and then spending a day making them.
Overall there just is too much boring stuff to do in this game still.
Did get some people get "lucky" sure.. it appears to be the case, but overall, that doesnt mean "you will get lucky" same as regular gambling and casino odds..
someone wins, but its usually not you.
In most cases, its just better to purchase the items you want, via regular AD grinding , then it is to purchase keys and gamble on it.
In most cases, making free keys, is a loss leader, anything you can purchase, is easier to exchange AD for directly.
ESVA will be a massive pita now.. massive.. They need to look at this.
Overall, I still do not feel they are listening to players that much and the balance isnt right on base AD consumption vs Key use and in addition , how we aquire the keys.
I will keep running
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Christ you people are crazy. I've seen more of an increase in activity after this change than in most module launches. There are problems but it's a step in the right direction.
Yes.. its increased, and its been fun, wish this could happen so much more.
This is the only reason I play this game, is for moments like this.. all too rare, give it 3 weeks it probably wont be this active anymore.
This also shoudl show the company.. releasing BORING gating and grinding via SKT campaign work, isnt what players want.
This is what player want.
I do however, think they should seriously look at giving us legendary keys that open any chest via VIP higher ranks.
Its really needed to keep this game active and they get some money back for them.
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
Christ you people are crazy. I've seen more of an increase in activity after this change than in most module launches. There are problems but it's a step in the right direction.
Until people run out of keys that they had saved up from being able to decline. Also, when the backlog on the ZAX returns, nobody will be able to even get Zen keys.
That totally slipped my mind. This is going to destroy the ZAX.
But seeing all their changes and decisions, they probably don't mind this. It just pisses people off and forces desperate fools to spend real money to get their zen for keys....
Christ you people are crazy. I've seen more of an increase in activity after this change than in most module launches. There are problems but it's a step in the right direction.
Until people run out of keys that they had saved up from being able to decline. Also, when the backlog on the ZAX returns, nobody will be able to even get Zen keys.
That totally slipped my mind. This is going to destroy the ZAX.
But seeing all their changes and decisions, they probably don't mind this. It just pisses people off and forces desperate fools to spend real money to get their zen for keys....
zax is sitting at a 61k surplus right now (and it's dipping below 500 AD too). If there really was some impending crisis the people that whales would already be buying up all the zen they could. Basically the only thing that can bring back the backlog is the new lockbox and whatever sale eventually follows that.
so cryptic asks users to suggest changes....however a week or longer before they submitted said changes to microsoft and sony for certification. They ghost update PC with a days notification so that PC can actually catch up to Console? But yet PC still gets it first. You cant make this HAMSTER up.
someone please make a site where users can put what they get from chests. yes there will be some error due to trolls but it will at least give us a semi glance at what rates are
Rewards for doing it? Rare and epic marks, rough gems which will no longer feed into my level 59 epic off-hand, a couple of epic Ostorian rings. Nothing different than before. Granted, there was no mention of mSVA in the dungeon chest rework, so I should not have expected any different.
I'm currently 4 Legendary Uvar marks off from completing the relic weapons on only one of my mains. I don't think I'll ever get there.
mSVA can be useful for getting relic weapons to epic, but further than that:
Honestly,,, this change has only helped me personally,,, have had several purple +4 rings drop for salvaging.. which was rare in the past, usually was always blue quality IF I even had a drop,,, and for me,, I don't NEED to play with the best of the best of the best equipmemt... Hell, I'm still running with purple water set of EE and having NO problem running content including SKT
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tripsofthrymrMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,624Community Moderator
It was account bound. Would have been great if my mains didn't already have 4 artifacts. I might use it as a feeder, or might wait a bit to see if a new class comes out and if that artifact is good for said class.
Sure, some of you will hang on and keep p(l)aying this game no matter what. But I have walked away from two games that I had a lot more money invested in than this. If twitch is any indication this game is not exactly super popular as it is. I will give this new loot table a chance. But the only thing that made the mindless grinding of this content bearable was at least you could decide to not to take the chest if it was garbage. I think the developer underestimates how easy it is to walk away. And I also think they are kidding themselves if they think they can keep ahead of the attrition curve. This game is not that good.
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lantern22Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,111Arc User
Ya, let's never open special chests anywhere. But wait, we will spend all of our money and time on Svardborg keys.
I never said there was no problem with SVA. Doesn't change the fact that campaign chests were never a signfiicant enough part of daily AD gains that it was worth complaining about.
Disagree - the second chest added a chance say 30% to 80% increase in rewards per run. And in CN, the second chest gave you a chance at a decent R8 which can be sold for AD not RAD (and you cant convert more than 36K?? per day.
As for improved drop rates, I haven't noticed any significant difference. Definitely not making it worth purchasing keys. I know its not a good sample size yet (10 runs or so) but I'm not expecting much change.
I'm just lucky I have 1000+ VIP keys saved up on 5 characters. Otherwise this change would be really Hamstered.
and if your not VIP?
edit - added "a chance" cause you don't always open the 2nd chest, well you didn't before now I guess
It was account bound. Would have been great if my mains didn't already have 4 artifacts. I might use it as a feeder, or might wait a bit to see if a new class comes out and if that artifact is good for said class.
@tripsofthrymr damn, that is my fear, then. If they didn't bind the items to account (and they'd have no reason to worry with AH if they introduced a new tier with lesser drop rates to keep us reaching) and they'd allow us to farm the currencies needed for the keys (like we can already run PoM's and Thrones to make demonic keys), this change would be a huge net positive. As it stands, the value of the loot is contingent not on its rarity but on how useful it is to us. I got a ring of cowardice +5 on ps4 today, which being account bound has no place in any of my builds. As it stands, it's something a bit too valuable to salvage, but that i'll never use. I dread an inventory filled with those things.
I did one CN run yesterday (actually just orcus fight), and I got the Bloodlord's Visage. Pretty good helm for my SS CW. BtA though. Certainly looks like the "increased" loot drop applies to BtA items. Probably better for PvE solo players as they have a more realistic chance to get the item on their own instead of hitting the AH and transferring their wealth to well-geared players who can farm them with their eye's closed.
Devs are hiding and dodging this thread? Or is there anywhere else a respond from our officials about all this negative feedback? Or do they just dont care anymore?
I am quite sure they read it, but what should they answer? "Suck it up" is not on page one of the rule book for public relations. We will adapt, as we did to all the other changes, like when lockbox keys got the BtA (or BtC?) status after a restart.
And this is why this HAMSTER continues, so many people on this game with this attitude, they keep playing and they keep paying. Why would they stop treating the players like this when there's people like this who will just carry on as if they haven't just been crapped on.
I've seen it time and time again, you hear people on these threads complaining and threatening to quit but they end up still playing and paying. I'm sorry but when I'm treated like this I see it as an insult and can no longer play a game in which I don't trust what the suits might do next. I just wish the suits weren't in control.
Would you still be friends with someone who treated you like this? lol.
This was such a great game but the massive amounts of tedious grind is what stopped me playing. They just seem to keep doing this crazy stuff and IMO have ruined a game which could have ran for a very long time.
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proposal changes, any dungeon bosses, drop BoP items, no other junks, keep that junks reserved for non-key chests, any dungeon chests should have tradable items or account bounds and no other junks, and room bosses and mini-boss chests should be better loots than standard dungeon chests.
skirmish and CTA bosses should have special CTA seals (bonus drops), and CTA chests should have seal as reward since if no one was able to get those event companions from the chests as rewards, then CTA seals are best choice.
most dungeon runs are 70 levels, and we shouldnt get any rank 5s, that is very insulting at highest order, rank 7's are the lowest end rewards. not those common rank 7s, we do want special armor/weapon enchant gems, since you devs pull out wards from T-bar vendor, that why it is very expensive to go thru zen market to get upgrades.
if you decide to throw junks, players get angry, and it is failed design since many groups i had with, they just speed run thru dungeons ignoring the drops on the ground or some will kick out anyone if they drop to pick up, some guilds dont do that, since they need for strongholds, it is ashame about any pickup groups to bypass it.
Asking for feedback and then pushing your original plans anyway is not the way to build goodwill with the players. All the positives you built up over the last few weeks with the handling of the winter fest is now overshadowed.
its clear to me to.. that we need relief, 3 legendary keys , that open any chest.. with vip ranks 13,14,15..
This would help us out a ton and its a practical compromise to this situation.
12 mcs now .. 1 black thorn (will test on my gf)
16 etos now.. 1 lifesilk spinneret (will use in my dc power/recovery build) 1 fey mount.. that i put up on the AH for .. darn I dont know 10 k ad or something.
8 cns.. zero.. ZERO new loot, NO r8s besides runestones (yikes ) and mostly blue salvage still.. wowzers.. blew through my mini key collection on this.. This was the dissapointing part of it all.. just not good returns as of yet.
3 ESVA's - no new loot dropped
1 vt- no new loot
6 dread ring lairs.. no new loot as of yet
2 master of the hunts.. no new loot as of yet
3 Normal demos (want wraps.. badly) nothing dropped, just junk.
1 Edemo .. nothing but normal junk.
So total runs so far : 52 runs.. return of AD, 10k , useful items 2. The regular junk (blue and purple salvage and rp, was NORMAL loot to start with)
There just isnt enough base AD back to overcome use of purchasing secondary keys atm. I guess if your lucky , you will make your money back. Maybe after initial wave, as increased volume of dungeons, as dropped prices on certain things.
I would say , overall Im not that bothered about keys peeking going, but I am bothered, on the length and time it takes to make new keys.. even if they were just easier to make, and be made quickly, but limited to 1 a day , I would appreciate that more spending time finding mats and then spending a day making them.
Overall there just is too much boring stuff to do in this game still.
Did get some people get "lucky" sure.. it appears to be the case, but overall, that doesnt mean "you will get lucky" same as regular gambling and casino odds..
someone wins, but its usually not you.
In most cases, its just better to purchase the items you want, via regular AD grinding , then it is to purchase keys and gamble on it.
In most cases, making free keys, is a loss leader, anything you can purchase, is easier to exchange AD for directly.
ESVA will be a massive pita now.. massive.. They need to look at this.
Overall, I still do not feel they are listening to players that much and the balance isnt right on base AD consumption vs Key use and in addition , how we aquire the keys.
I will keep running
This is the only reason I play this game, is for moments like this.. all too rare, give it 3 weeks it probably wont be this active anymore.
This also shoudl show the company.. releasing BORING gating and grinding via SKT campaign work, isnt what players want.
This is what player want.
I do however, think they should seriously look at giving us legendary keys that open any chest via VIP higher ranks.
Its really needed to keep this game active and they get some money back for them.
But seeing all their changes and decisions, they probably don't mind this. It just pisses people off and forces desperate fools to spend real money to get their zen for keys....
Rewards for doing it? Rare and epic marks, rough gems which will no longer feed into my level 59 epic off-hand, a couple of epic Ostorian rings. Nothing different than before. Granted, there was no mention of mSVA in the dungeon chest rework, so I should not have expected any different.
I'm currently 4 Legendary Uvar marks off from completing the relic weapons on only one of my mains. I don't think I'll ever get there.
mSVA can be useful for getting relic weapons to epic, but further than that:
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As for improved drop rates, I haven't noticed any significant difference. Definitely not making it worth purchasing keys. I know its not a good sample size yet (10 runs or so) but I'm not expecting much change.
I'm just lucky I have 1000+ VIP keys saved up on 5 characters. Otherwise this change would be really Hamstered.
and if your not VIP?
edit - added "a chance" cause you don't always open the 2nd chest, well you didn't before now I guess
I've seen it time and time again, you hear people on these threads complaining and threatening to quit but they end up still playing and paying. I'm sorry but when I'm treated like this I see it as an insult and can no longer play a game in which I don't trust what the suits might do next. I just wish the suits weren't in control.
Would you still be friends with someone who treated you like this? lol.
This was such a great game but the massive amounts of tedious grind is what stopped me playing. They just seem to keep doing this crazy stuff and IMO have ruined a game which could have ran for a very long time.