A sample size of 5 says nothing about the loot table.
And this is a problem. In order to have a decent sample size, you need to do many runs and spend a lot of resources. The option is to leave the live server and go to preview, but it's not a good option because you need to find some players who are willing to spend their time for it: not easy. At the end, collecting data to estimate the drop rate is an expensive task. That's why I asked to have more info about it.
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darthpotaterMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,261Arc User
- "Hey Drizzt we defeated the Demon God, wow nice" - "Yeah awesome, im nearly dead... lets take a look over here" - Dungeon Master: "here is your loot, but you have to pay me" - "Err what? pay? but we defeated the Demon God and saved the world! mmwell okay..." - "What? a lotto ticket?" dam im retired
Oh boy. Julia. We need to talk. Actually, not us exactly, but you and Andy. See how we look at the role of the CM is that you are here for us. You are our voice, since whilst as a collective (and on the forums) we are loud and at times a little cranky (alright, we can be maniacs at the best to times), when it comes to interacting with the devs, we are barely louder than a mouse. Please talk to Andy about how he had seen the role as CM and what the community sees it as. Because at the moment we have a disconnect.
Note: There are some devs that have awesome interactions here - I don't want anyone to think that all devs are bad (#NotAllDevs)
Julia, one of the wonderful fantastic things we were told with you joining Cryptic and not PerfectWorld is that you are right there in the thick of it. You would be present, in the dev's eyesight and able to tell them what the community was saying. But remember, you are our voice. And it's something that over the last year and a half, Andy had been a champion of. Even with having to put up with us screaming kids, he was still able to let the dev team know what we were feeling, what we were thinking.
We want you to be our champion, we want you to be our voice. Please, please, please remember that when you sit down with @mimicking#6533 and discuss the additional pages of feedback we are raising here.
Now, onto what you've presented here - if these changes were always going to be going onto the console port on the 17th Jan, then we should have been told that when the preview patch went up. If you had all said, "Hey, due to Winterfest and Holidays, and a prescheduled console release, this is the date it's going live - but we are going to be post patching in updates as we evaluate the feedback" - I would say a good 65% of the hatred, anger, tears, and loss of trust would not be found in this thread.
The multiple threads where we have provided feedback has ALL said consistently that these changes are awful. The core issue said by MANY people (literally, I'd spend a hour tagging them all here), is not that we dont have new shiny drops, but is the RNG of the current drops. We are solely reliant on RNG for near gear, new weapons. There is no "earn x amount of marks/seals and be able to buy". Whilst Mod 6 was a disaster, the ability to farm seals and then buy the gear you wanted, no luck or chance, that was good.
I'm being told of reports from my guild and alliance of dungeon drops barely changing since the patch. A couple of people got some new gear. Barely looking at 1-2% of people. I'm reading other forum posts, seeing screenshots of chest rewards actually looking worse than before. Plus our hard earned keys, the ones that actually take effort to make, consumed and what are we getting? The same if not worse.
We want to work with you guys, hell, the amount of additional people I saw go to preview in the last week shows you this. We care! A person earlier on made an excellent point, there is a lot of negative feedback. Negative feedback is a good thing, it shows we are still invested, that we are still fighting.
We still care about Neverwinter. Julia and Thomas - can you and the team show that you care about us?
+1. One of the best posts ever. I hope julia read this.
Playing the devils advocate, I think players are not supposed to have a net gain if they play (run dungeons, fish, invoke) longer than an hour a day. The "1 per day" is the carrot dangling, if you want more you shall have to pay for it. I don't say that I like this, but we should consider this when we ask to run content to get the loot we want.
And never forget ... pure RNG sucks!
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Playing the devils advocate, I think players are not supposed to have a net gain if they play (run dungeons, fish, invoke) longer than an hour a day. The "1 per day" is the carrot dangling, if you want more you shall have to pay for it. I don't say that I like this, but we should consider this when we ask to run content to get the loot we want.
And never forget ... pure RNG sucks!
Black dessert ( desert ) had the same thoughts as you.
But I ended up quitting a month or so ago when all this pay to win shenanigans started to happen. And so did a lot of players. Whenever a youtuber mentions BDO now, its something about it being a disappointment, or some kinda joke aimed towards that. And of course scrolling through the comments everyone talks trash on the game. It seems like no one supports it now.
The key changes happen Tuesday the 17th.....For the people saying they will only miss out on r8's, I've gotten a shard from the second chest in CN. Also what key opens the ESVA chest?....I'm on Xbox don't have it until Tuesday
Lost in all this key change (which is bad) is the bad change to the shadow demon.
If something is exploited, and apparently it was, change the exploit, not the legitmate use. The shadow demon in normal use was not doing outlandish damage. It was a good supplement for classes like OP and DC when doing non-group dailies and questing. It didn't get them BIS damage, it got them less underpowered damage so they could finish quests in a more reasonable time.
All that was necessary was to put a cap on the shadow demon's ability to buff his damage. Cap the thing at some amount that feels reasonable. Things like the orcus ring add a similar amount of damage to what the shadow demon did on normal basis. Damage added pets now add more damage than the shadow demon does. Really the thing does 3 digit damage for his basic attack. My ops aura ticks more damage than that.
Further.. this is ripping people off. This was never a cheap pet. Its taken peoples AD to purchase and equip. Now its made absolutely useless with no compensation.
Please reverse that unreasonable change and cap his damage instead.
So, it seems like the key changes are good for the majority of people. But, unless something has been done to the droprates of legendary marks and relic armors, this is technical KO to most people above 3,2k il that wants progress.
It is not unbearable, yet. All we have to do is farm other parts of the game to buy a bunch of legendary keys. Only problem is that once the backlog on ZEN purhase comes up, progress and free to play model is dead.
If I am right about this, something has do be done to fix fbi and msva asap. Progression of characters is essentially what keeps anyone playing the game.
I understand that having something to work for keeps people playing, and handing everything out the first day would be bad. But what we are looking at here is a dead end. It is not possible to get these items within the duration of the mod anymore. Even the hardest grinders need a small break between mods or everyone will be burnt out.
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So, it seems like the key changes are good for the majority of people. But, unless something has been done to the droprates of legendary marks and relic armors, this is technical KO to most people above 3,2k il that wants progress.
It is not unbearable, yet. All we have to do is farm other parts of the game to buy a bunch of legendary keys. Only problem is that once the backlog on ZEN purhase comes up, progress and free to play model is dead.
If I am right about this, something has do be done to fix fbi and msva asap. Progression of characters is essentially what keeps anyone playing the game.
I understand that having something to work for keeps people playing, and handing everything out the first day would be bad. But what we are looking at here is a dead end. It is not possible to get these items within the duration of the mod anymore. Even the hardest grinders need a small break between mods or everyone will be burnt out.
The changes has no consequences on FBI as you already had to spend the campaign key for getting the armor BEFORE the changes.
What is below is not a feedback is just my feelings, I will not lose time posting any idea here anymore, is just my feeling about the game and some sort of good bye...
OK so i've spent like half of my keys last night and wille doing that i was thinking, the only key i have used for real in months is the greaer demonic Key, in Edemo and only to get the Twisted inchor for a weapon set for my CW alt...
My point is, the drop is sooooo HAMSTER that not having a key will probably change nothing !! the only good things i got, i got as drops not from the epic chests (Lostmouth Horn, a Twisted off hand, and some +4 rings)... i may could make a few greater demonic keys for CN when i end my wepon farming but the other i would just ignore since they NEVER gave HAMSTER anyway...
This situation just took the tiny hope i still had in this game future, don't get me wrong, with D&D lore and the combat animation this is still a great mmo, but still miles away from the great game i've started to play and loved sooo much...
I used to send a few bucks in this game, i've brought some friends from other games to play with me and gave them some Zen for them to get the first buy pack and a 80% mount (used to be hard to get at start), but all of them are gone |(they are smarter than myself), and i'm not spending any more money in this game... my last Vip expired during winter festival (2015 xmas) and my last zen i bought a few days before the first announce of key changes in last November i think... i will probably play sometimes i think, mostly weekends, but i will drop my position as guild officer because i will not play this for real anymore...
Tks for the great game so far, was the best MMO i've played, a game where i happily spent money, but that game is long gone and this incident in not the cause, is just the last drop, something to light the fuse and show me that i'm losong my time because there's no way for that game come back...
PS.: I would really love to recieve a email in a few months saying that "Neverwinter Online 2" is in work and will bring the feel and features we had in this one back then, sonds crazy ? yeah i know but i think that is more more likely to happen that this game turn back to what it was...
I do wonder if the CN droplist [chest opened with a greater Demonic key] and [chest opened with a Legendary key] are identical. On the software side it would not be hard at all to adapt the droplist to the key used to open the box, as demonstrated in the SH time-challenge quest.
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I actually see the orcus shard going up on the AH....unless they increased the drop rate, it has to go up in value, as people won't be grabbing the 2nd chest as often.....I've gotten 3 shards, two came from first chest, one and from second
Devs are hiding and dodging this thread? Or is there anywhere else a respond from our officials about all this negative feedback? Or do they just dont care anymore?
Devs are hiding and dodging this thread? Or is there anywhere else a respond from our officials about all this negative feedback? Or do they just dont care anymore?
I am quite sure they read it, but what should they answer? "Suck it up" is not on page one of the rule book for public relations. We will adapt, as we did to all the other changes, like when lockbox keys got the BtA (or BtC?) status after a restart.
Imaginary Friends are the best friends you can have!
Devs are hiding and dodging this thread? Or is there anywhere else a respond from our officials about all this negative feedback? Or do they just dont care anymore?
I am quite sure they read it, but what should they answer? "Suck it up" is not on page one of the rule book for public relations. We will adapt, as we did to all the other changes, like when lockbox keys got the BtA (or BtC?) status after a restart.
Or we riot and not spend senseless amount on legendary keys ? Crazy idea i know..
I actually see the orcus shard going up on the AH....unless they increased the drop rate, it has to go up in value, as people won't be grabbing the 2nd chest as often.....I've gotten 3 shards, two came from first chest, one and from second
What is an Orcus shard ? Is that something for eating ? not 1 .. not 2 , but 3 , ha ? Wow... you are lucky . Can you pass some of that luck here. I would like to get an Orcus shard. lol
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santralafaxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,896Arc User
The chests have and Accept or Decline on them. There was no sudden issue that popped up and took a long time to be dealt with...
For the contents, yes. It was never intended, or should have been allowed to be continued, as declining the use of the key. The key is used on the chest to see the contents.
What you are saying doesn't make any sense. The key is your cost for the chest. Why decline if you've already bought it??
Devs are hiding and dodging this thread? Or is there anywhere else a respond from our officials about all this negative feedback? Or do they just dont care anymore?
They will just deflect any real contentions that you have about the game so don't even bother asking for them. They are trying to kill the game off, plain and simple. All you have to do is think about it, or just read the writing on the wall.
Neverwinter has peaked and they know it. After it was put on PS4 they realized that they would never have a population as huge as the influx that comes with introducing a game to a new console. (XBOX was a little over a year ago). The problem is that there is nowhere to go anymore. The stockholders have been held at bay due to the influx of fresh blood playing the game, but we all know that once you hit the great wall of 70, it's really easy to see the cash grab. If this game is around a year from now it is because the people that have invested years into this game feel like they need to keep it going. It certainly won't be because of the quality of the game, that's for sure.
Speak with your wallet people! It's the only voice that they hear.
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instynctiveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,885Arc User
Ever since they took AD out of invoking, I've been the most broke I've ever been in the game. I've been trying to put stuff up on the AH, which have been nearly immediately undercut but others, up to 50% less.
Yes, I can run dungeons and weeklies, but at the moment, I struggle with improving my character vs. feeding the SH coffer vs. making hamster for AD.
Comments
1. People are unhappy with this new update.
2. People are tired of feeling unimportant and ignored.
3. This change is making a lot of negative reactions in the game.
4. Your players will stop running content. And leave. Players leave = less money.
5. Feedback was given and now we are waiting for your reaction.
6. At the end of the day , there would not be 50 + pages of replies if people still did not care about Neverwinter.
7. We are all still here , waiting to see what you will do. We are not going anywhere.
That's why I asked to have more info about it.
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Maga Othelma - DC | Svalvolo - SW | Dente Avvelenato- GWF
- "Yeah awesome, im nearly dead... lets take a look over here"
- Dungeon Master: "here is your loot, but you have to pay me"
- "Err what? pay? but we defeated the Demon God and saved the world! mmwell okay..."
- "What? a lotto ticket?" dam im retired
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I think players are not supposed to have a net gain if they play (run dungeons, fish, invoke) longer than an hour a day.
The "1 per day" is the carrot dangling, if you want more you shall have to pay for it.
I don't say that I like this, but we should consider this when we ask to run content to get the loot we want.
And never forget ... pure RNG sucks!
If something is exploited, and apparently it was, change the exploit, not the legitmate use. The shadow demon in normal use was not doing outlandish damage. It was a good supplement for classes like OP and DC when doing non-group dailies and questing. It didn't get them BIS damage, it got them less underpowered damage so they could finish quests in a more reasonable time.
All that was necessary was to put a cap on the shadow demon's ability to buff his damage. Cap the thing at some amount that feels reasonable. Things like the orcus ring add a similar amount of damage to what the shadow demon did on normal basis. Damage added pets now add more damage than the shadow demon does. Really the thing does 3 digit damage for his basic attack. My ops aura ticks more damage than that.
Further.. this is ripping people off. This was never a cheap pet. Its taken peoples AD to purchase and equip. Now its made absolutely useless with no compensation.
Please reverse that unreasonable change and cap his damage instead.
It is not unbearable, yet. All we have to do is farm other parts of the game to buy a bunch of legendary keys. Only problem is that once the backlog on ZEN purhase comes up, progress and free to play model is dead.
If I am right about this, something has do be done to fix fbi and msva asap. Progression of characters is essentially what keeps anyone playing the game.
I understand that having something to work for keeps people playing, and handing everything out the first day would be bad. But what we are looking at here is a dead end. It is not possible to get these items within the duration of the mod anymore. Even the hardest grinders need a small break between mods or everyone will be burnt out.
Rise to POWER with <House of Power>.
The Exterminator - (NW-DLNXF3BGG)
But for MSVA it's pure madness.
Rise to POWER with <House of Power>.
The Exterminator - (NW-DLNXF3BGG)
Rise to POWER with <House of Power>.
The Exterminator - (NW-DLNXF3BGG)
I will not lose time posting any idea here anymore, is just my feeling about the game and some sort of good bye...
OK so i've spent like half of my keys last night and wille doing that i was thinking, the only key i have used for real in months is the greaer demonic Key, in Edemo and only to get the Twisted inchor for a weapon set for my CW alt...
My point is, the drop is sooooo HAMSTER that not having a key will probably change nothing !!
the only good things i got, i got as drops not from the epic chests (Lostmouth Horn, a Twisted off hand, and some +4 rings)... i may could make a few greater demonic keys for CN when i end my wepon farming but the other i would just ignore since they NEVER gave HAMSTER anyway...
This situation just took the tiny hope i still had in this game future, don't get me wrong, with D&D lore and the combat animation this is still a great mmo, but still miles away from the great game i've started to play and loved sooo much...
I used to send a few bucks in this game, i've brought some friends from other games to play with me and gave them some Zen for them to get the first buy pack and a 80% mount (used to be hard to get at start), but all of them are gone |(they are smarter than myself), and i'm not spending any more money in this game... my last Vip expired during winter festival (2015 xmas) and my last zen i bought a few days before the first announce of key changes in last November i think...
i will probably play sometimes i think, mostly weekends, but i will drop my position as guild officer because i will not play this for real anymore...
Tks for the great game so far, was the best MMO i've played, a game where i happily spent money, but that game is long gone and this incident in not the cause, is just the last drop, something to light the fuse and show me that i'm losong my time because there's no way for that game come back...
PS.: I would really love to recieve a email in a few months saying that "Neverwinter Online 2" is in work and will bring the feel and features we had in this one back then, sonds crazy ? yeah i know but i think that is more more likely to happen that this game turn back to what it was...
God Bye and have fun everyone !!!
[chest opened with a greater Demonic key]
and
[chest opened with a Legendary key]
are identical.
On the software side it would not be hard at all to adapt the droplist to the key used to open the box, as demonstrated in the SH time-challenge quest.
Or do they just dont care anymore?
We will adapt, as we did to all the other changes, like when lockbox keys got the BtA (or BtC?) status after a restart.
Crazy idea i know..
Wow... you are lucky . Can you pass some of that luck here. I would like to get an Orcus shard. lol
Neverwinter has peaked and they know it. After it was put on PS4 they realized that they would never have a population as huge as the influx that comes with introducing a game to a new console. (XBOX was a little over a year ago). The problem is that there is nowhere to go anymore. The stockholders have been held at bay due to the influx of fresh blood playing the game, but we all know that once you hit the great wall of 70, it's really easy to see the cash grab. If this game is around a year from now it is because the people that have invested years into this game feel like they need to keep it going. It certainly won't be because of the quality of the game, that's for sure.
Speak with your wallet people! It's the only voice that they hear.
Yes, I can run dungeons and weeklies, but at the moment, I struggle with improving my character vs. feeding the SH coffer vs. making hamster for AD.
So.. whatever.
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