OK, you dropped the cost on some items, introduced a new item that takes over from one if the cheaper items and still I have, as a solo player, no way to earn a reasonable amount of AD ingame. Whoop-de-HAMSTER-doo!
OK, you dropped the cost on some items, introduced a new item that takes over from one if the cheaper items and still I have, as a solo player, no way to earn a reasonable amount of AD ingame. Whoop-de-HAMSTER-doo!
You can earn a GMoP at least every one to four days. For most players that's actually better than before.
well this should knock at least 250 days off the 1400 days to grind your enchantments and artifacts to max level(not counting purchase cost of any artifacts as they are mildly variable) but your still on a 3 year curb to upgrade a single character. . . . or depending on ZAX price $us2000+.. .. ..
a good start but still not coming back till a lot more is done. if this game claimes to be casual freindly then 60-100 days of 2-4hr stints is all you can realisticly expect to set it at and have people stick with it till they are actualy max rank, that is assuming you want people to reach max rank and since many are there already you kind of have to allow it.
i dont mean theoreticly possible i mean practical for a casual gamer to get a single character BIS in 4-6 months of logging in most days and playing a few hours.
and your buy in price shouldnt be over a few $100 per char, $500 at the very very maximum if you want to claim to be casual friendly not $2000 or $3000 per character.
you need to adjust many costs seting 150k refinement at $20 when artifacts take millions is just lol you may burn a few noobs with it but if thats what you value refinement at then your saying artifacts should cost $400 each just for the refinement... thats just one example almost everything you have on zen store in terms of the refienemnt grind needs to have its pricing reduced by a factor of 10 or so to be mildly compeditive with bot prices.
untill you adress the outrageous buy in for this game these days youll have a steadly expanding bot issue and a steadly shrinking player base. people that head to a f2p action mmo(as you advertise it) dont want to spend 3 years grinding or pay $1000s a character. you will never have any retention untill you either change your marketing or make the game friendly to the customers your advertising to
Well this is the kind of thing we were all hoping for it too happen but tough was a crazy dream. Unfortunately for some may be already too late, and will never be back. Like many said this is a good improvement if this kind of adjustment becomes something common and is done considering all the factors in a character progress. Remember maybe a player is not playing 10 characters, but some has 2-3 they just love to play/developed ; but they are unable to do so for reasons like companion upgrades or boons. (Of course there is people who have more)
Other thing you may forget is the fact that many enjoy a role-play feeling, thus transmutations and mount upgrades are part of that feeling and also an important part of the players entertainment. But those are also limited by the ad you can spend, is not hard to tell what a player will do between upgrading a gem/artifact or look "cool" (feel satisfied with his looks).
If this would of been done simultaneously with the leadership changes, I think the fallout would of been greatly reduced. Please review upgrading pets also. Currently 1 million dollars with the new AD system is absurd. Thank you.
I bought 10 Greater marks of power in order to upgrade two artifacts to mythic. Having no other AD to buy other marks (power and union) needed I can't upgrade immediately my artifacts. Then my question is: "The greater potency of marks currently held by PG will be automatically transformed Superior Marks of potency?". Otherwise cryptic with this change have stolen to me a lot of AD...
I bought 10 Greater marks of power in order to upgrade two artifacts to mythic. Having no other AD to buy other marks (power and union) needed I can't upgrade immediately my artifacts. Then my question is: "The greater potency of marks currently held by PG will be automatically transformed Superior Marks of potency?". Otherwise cryptic with this change have stolen to me a lot of AD...
No that's not happening.
And anyone that bought GMoPs after the leadership change is crazy.
well this should knock at least 250 days off the 1400 days to grind your enchantments and artifacts to max level(not counting purchase cost of any artifacts as they are mildly variable) but your still on a 3 year curb to upgrade a single character. . . . or depending on ZAX price $us2000+.. .. ..
a good start but still not coming back till a lot more is done. if this game claimes to be casual freindly then 60-100 days of 2-4hr stints is all you can realisticly expect to set it at and have people stick with it till they are actualy max rank, that is assuming you want people to reach max rank and since many are there already you kind of have to allow it.
i dont mean theoreticly possible i mean practical for a casual gamer to get a single character BIS in 4-6 months of logging in most days and playing a few hours.
You don't need to be BiS to do any content besides PvP (and even that's arguable).
I bought 10 Greater marks of power in order to upgrade two artifacts to mythic. Having no other AD to buy other marks (power and union) needed I can't upgrade immediately my artifacts. Then my question is: "The greater potency of marks currently held by PG will be automatically transformed Superior Marks of potency?". Otherwise cryptic with this change have stolen to me a lot of AD...
No that's not happening.
And anyone that bought GMoPs after the leadership change is crazy.
I bought GMoPs before leadership chagens and due to 2x refinement event the costs of marks of power and unions were too high. For this reason criptyc steal to me about 750k AD!?!?!?
I bought 10 Greater marks of power in order to upgrade two artifacts to mythic. Having no other AD to buy other marks (power and union) needed I can't upgrade immediately my artifacts. Then my question is: "The greater potency of marks currently held by PG will be automatically transformed Superior Marks of potency?". Otherwise cryptic with this change have stolen to me a lot of AD...
Not happening. This was bad resource management on your part. Why did you buy the GMOPs first? You know the leadership changes mean lower prices over time. You should have been running DR lairs until you got all the power/stability/union marks first. If you have the top tier gauntlet, you might even get a GMOP or two. While doing the DR lairs, check the AH for cheap GMOP prices. Only when GMOPs was the only missing ingredient should you buy them at full price. Lesson learned for next time.
I bought GMoPs before leadership chagens and due to 2x refinement event the costs of marks of power and unions were too high. For this reason criptyc steal to me about 750k AD!?!?!?
And I bought 25 GMoPs and 10 greater marks (6 of which were greater marks of union at 70k a piece) for 2x RP. Suck it up.
since the last double RP event i have upgraded 12 r10 to r11 and 7 of them to r12. i have upgraded 4 artifact equipment to legendary and 1 artifact to mytic. i don't even consider artifacts and r12s but just for r11s i lost 3.6m AD. Now other ppl make a r11 300k cheaper than me. and naturally since mod6 there is no way to make AD legit way( and i don't have a leadership army) i got my AD by selling zen. It means just for my r11s i lost 7000zen. Now i doubt that u were planning to do these changes for sometime but you have waited for double RP event so that u could have sold millions of zen. How can i ever trust such a company afterwards?
All you can do is keep this in your mind for the next time they come around with an promotion event. And that's it. People that bought character slots and leadership assets for ZEN or millions of AD, to build up a steady flow of rAD, are in the very same boat up in youknowwhat creek without a paddle. Anyway, still waiting on an official answer, if we might see Stronghold Vouchers in Leadership, or at least some solid rAD in campaign quests...
Haven't read all the posts, but I hope people realize this actually proves they are doing their best to deter botting. Making everything more affordable means that going to 3rd party sites is not only potentially bannable but really not worth it if you have some diligence and actually do pve. Everyone whines about leadership. It's over, done deal. I just ran some easy pve dungeons and maybe you didn't notice but with they keys you get from VIP you can get alot of account bound salvage and even hit the daily refinement max on several toons pretty easily. Don't know why I bother, the forums just tend to attract the worst whiners, though. They could give away the next legendary mount and there would still be someone whining about it I bet. (But I paid soo much for my old mount!!) Seriously, online nerd rage angst is some of the most annoying behavior. I've seen kids in their terrible two's that behave better.
If the want to get rid of bots they should remove the one unguarded skillnode on ghost stories so theres not 2000 instances of it. It blows my mind they havent done that simple change
I bought GMoPs before leadership chagens and due to 2x refinement event the costs of marks of power and unions were too high. For this reason criptyc steal to me about 750k AD!?!?!?
And I bought 25 GMoPs and 10 greater marks (6 of which were greater marks of union at 70k a piece) for 2x RP. Suck it up.
This. My new moto is "Free to play, free to leave". While I do want this game to succeed the amount of detestable brats in this game make it daunting to have fun sometimes. Good thing I learned "selective hearing" and now apply it to reading. >:)
Yes, there is still no way for a strictly solo player to gain AD in a reasonable amount per day. The most guaranteed per day is only 3k AD through invoking, for those that play only solo. This is by far not enough at all.
This game based on Dungeons&Dragons which means you will need a group to run the content at some point unless you are 4k+ geared beast.I dont know why people keep expecting to earn something without group play in this game
i understand your point but seriously, whats left of DaD adventures?
This guy here has a point. Beyond some bit of character creation, what in the main part of daily play resembles what Gygax originally conceived as D&D? The developers really need to take a stap back and ask themselves what their game has to do with D&D and how they might get back on the path. Or do away with any and all pretenses of being a D&D game.
If the want to get rid of bots they should remove the one unguarded skillnode on ghost stories so theres not 2000 instances of it. It blows my mind they havent done that simple change
I'm not entirely sure that would work. Contrary to what some believe, bots can be programmed to fight. I encountered a bot in PVP this morning that was capable of fighting.
This is a nice step forward but my confidence in this company is still in the dirt and they have not addressed the AD sinks for boons and Stronghold. They have a long way to go before I am willing to give them anymore money and a minor placatory gesture has not loosened my grip on my wallet.
If the want to get rid of bots they should remove the one unguarded skillnode on ghost stories so theres not 2000 instances of it. It blows my mind they havent done that simple change
I'm not entirely sure that would work. Contrary to what some believe, bots can be programmed to fight. I encountered a bot in PVP this morning that was capable of fighting.
They'd have to find another node to farm though. They don't have geared level 70 characters going to farm GS.
Maybe they can fight. But the clearly prefer not to, or they wouldnt be so many only at ghost stories
its a question of speed. if they can do it faster without fighting why fight. but there are bot groups running the HE lap in IWP as i type this. removing the unprotected nodes will slow them down. putting an instance entrance limiter will slow them down. slowing them down means less RP farmed.
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torontodaveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 992Arc User
edited September 2015
The more I reflect on these changes the more I think they're silly.
I dont have a leadership army.
I have rank 10s. I recently upgraded them during the last 2xRP ... It was one of the 'gates' separating scrubs from BIS
now everyone can catch up to me easily. I dont feel so awesome for passing the gate. =/ not to mention all the wasted AD (750k+ on GMOPs)
We asked for more ways to *GENERATE LEGIT AD* .. not one of the gates to be opened. =x
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a good start but still not coming back till a lot more is done. if this game claimes to be casual freindly then 60-100 days of 2-4hr stints is all you can realisticly expect to set it at and have people stick with it till they are actualy max rank, that is assuming you want people to reach max rank and since many are there already you kind of have to allow it.
i dont mean theoreticly possible i mean practical for a casual gamer to get a single character BIS in 4-6 months of logging in most days and playing a few hours.
and your buy in price shouldnt be over a few $100 per char, $500 at the very very maximum if you want to claim to be casual friendly not $2000 or $3000 per character.
you need to adjust many costs seting 150k refinement at $20 when artifacts take millions is just lol you may burn a few noobs with it but if thats what you value refinement at then your saying artifacts should cost $400 each just for the refinement... thats just one example almost everything you have on zen store in terms of the refienemnt grind needs to have its pricing reduced by a factor of 10 or so to be mildly compeditive with bot prices.
untill you adress the outrageous buy in for this game these days youll have a steadly expanding bot issue and a steadly shrinking player base. people that head to a f2p action mmo(as you advertise it) dont want to spend 3 years grinding or pay $1000s a character. you will never have any retention untill you either change your marketing or make the game friendly to the customers your advertising to
Other thing you may forget is the fact that many enjoy a role-play feeling, thus transmutations and mount upgrades are part of that feeling and also an important part of the players entertainment. But those are also limited by the ad you can spend, is not hard to tell what a player will do between upgrading a gem/artifact or look "cool" (feel satisfied with his looks).
Please review upgrading pets also. Currently 1 million dollars with the new AD system is absurd.
Thank you.
No that's not happening.
And anyone that bought GMoPs after the leadership change is crazy.
You don't need to be BiS to do any content besides PvP (and even that's arguable).
People that bought character slots and leadership assets for ZEN or millions of AD, to build up a steady flow of rAD, are in the very same boat up in youknowwhat creek without a paddle.
Anyway, still waiting on an official answer, if we might see Stronghold Vouchers in Leadership, or at least some solid rAD in campaign quests...
be programmed to fight. I encountered a bot in PVP this morning that was capable of fighting.
I dont have a leadership army.
I have rank 10s. I recently upgraded them during the last 2xRP ... It was one of the 'gates' separating scrubs from BIS
now everyone can catch up to me easily. I dont feel so awesome for passing the gate. =/ not to mention all the wasted AD (750k+ on GMOPs)
We asked for more ways to *GENERATE LEGIT AD* .. not one of the gates to be opened. =x
NW-DC9R4J5EH - 'The Black Pearl' - Spelljammer! Phlo Riders and Space Orcs
Thanks for all the fish.