Marks of Potency Pricing Changes

goatshark

With the recent changes to the AD economy, we are going to be reducing the cost on a few items in the Wondrous Bazaar, and adding a new item.

• Marks of Potency will be reduced from 25k AD to 6k AD
  
• Greater Marks of Potency will be reduced from 100k AD to 25k AD
  
• *NEW* Superior Marks of Potency will be priced at 100k AD
  

In addition, we are changing some of the upgrade requirements on higher end Enchantments and Runestones. Weapon and Armor Enhancement gems will not be changed at this time.

• Going from Rank 10->11 will now cost 2 Superior Marks of Potency, instead of 5 Greater Marks of Potency
  
• Going from Rank 11->12 will now cost 4 Superior Marks of Potency, instead of 5 Greater Marks of Potency
  

We are reviewing all of the locations Greater Marks of Potency drop/reward in the game, and are swapping those for Superior Marks where appropriate.

These changes will be going live very soon. Once they’re live and we can monitor performance for a bit, we will re-evaluate and see if further changes are necessary. As an FYI, we are continuing to monitor ALL Astral Diamond costs/performance/etc. as we work to balance this economy. Thank you for your patience.

Scott Shicoff
Lead Designer

urabask

Faith restored.

Wasn't expecting it but damn.

You guys really need to do server wide announcements for this kind of thing though. Just use the system you use to announce server maintenance.

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sm0ld3r

urabask said:

Faith restored.

Wasn't expecting it but damn.

Are you joking? The costs are still too high considering there is no way to earn AD anymore.

These sinks were added because of Caturday, Leadership and Astral Resonator. Now that there is no source (other than 24K per day) these sinks need to go away completely.

klangeddin

The Rank 7+ double enchantment requirement should go...
As a non-whale, I find it really a gigantic cockblock to try and go past rank 8 or greater weapon/armor enchant.

But still, this is welcome news. Well done so far.

gankdalf

Even cheap items are hard to get when you dont get any new AD in your wallet.

You still need to add ways to farm items that players can resell in AH. I mean, how are people going to afford the wards needed? Theres simply is no way. Its still P2W even with these changes.

I actually would perfere expensive items with a way to earn a lot of AD by playing the game.

With 24k a day, it would take 20 days just to get one blue ward. And to get those 24k, it takes a lot of time and effort every single day with dungeons, pvp etc. Its way to little profit for all that work and time.



"We are reviewing all of the locations Greater Marks of Potency drop/reward in the game, and are swapping those for Superior Marks where appropriate."

I havent seen a greater mark drop from any T2 dungeon in months.

urabask

sm0ld3r said:

urabask said:

Faith restored.

Wasn't expecting it but damn.

Are you joking? The costs are still too high considering there is no way to earn AD anymore.

These sinks were added because of Caturday, Leadership and Astral Resonator. Now that there is no source (other than 24K per day) these sinks need to go away completely.

They literally just cut something dumb like 75% of the cost of getting rank 9 enchants. Not sure what you were expecting but this is a lot more generous of a decrease in costs than I was expecting. Now they just need to work on Companion upgrade costs, armor kits, and Cube of Augmentation.

Depending on how they handle artifacts you could see a pretty generous decrease there too. At the very least getting your artifacts to epic is pretty damn easy.

lwedar

"We are reviewing all of the locations Greater Marks of Potency drop/reward in the game"

after you make this review, could you please share those locations with the playerbase

appreciate the changes btw

*the only thing it is annoying adding yet another type of currency, seriously inventory is getting crazy with bound by account bound by character and unbound types of all stones

namelesshero347

Wow. That is awesome (but damn it, I just brought a few GMOPs yesterday). The ensuing discussion will be interesting. Some people held GMOPs as their store of value. Their holdings just got devalued by another 70%. Ouch. But great for the NWN poor like me.

sabiwen

I am surprised at how fast you guys did this. This is a good change, and I am looking forward to more.

santralafax

That's a real good start.

vangiggsy

This is a good start, thank you. There still needs to be other ways to earn AD by playing content other than pvp, skirmish and dungeons. HEs, foundry, random drops from quest kills etc.

I also agree that this needs to be announced in game somehow as not all read forums.

eolee

Thank you.

thefabricant

This is exactly what we needed, thanks for listening to our requests

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instynctive

This sounds pretty good, @goatshark, thank you!

Why not add earned AD/RAD for each quest completed as well? That would go a long way to helping us all out.


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plasticbat

I know this won't be that simple .... what is Superior Marks of Potency? When do we need it?

EDIT: Never mind.

sabiwen

Will this change Artifact upgrades?
Instead of 5 GMOPS to Mythic, would you need SMOPS, or at they keeping it at 5 GMOPs at the lower price above?

So, this last Dbl RP I upgraded 4 artifacts to Mythic
20 GMOPs x 75k (VIP cost) = 1,500,000 AD
New system would be 20 GMOPS at 18,750 = 375,000 AD

Well, that sucks that I just wasted 1,125,000 AD.

peterbilodeau

Thank you Scott and team, even with much work remaining to balance the costs and AD sinks with income, this move is very enheartening.

reiwulf

wow excellent news! This was well needed and might help a bit with the overall item costs

ulviel

I hope it is just beginning and more changing in this direction are comming soon, otherwise it's more like throwing a bone to make players shut up

Inventing new marks was unnecessary. Tbh I suspect it's a smokescreen to obscure the fact they didn't in fact reduce costs as much as needed. But maybe I am wrong and they ideed are doing something right this time.

sm0ld3r

urabask said:

They literally just cut something dumb like 75% of the cost of getting rank 9 enchants. Not sure what you were expecting but this is a lot more generous of a decrease in costs than I was expecting. Now they just need to work on Companion upgrade costs, armor kits, and Cube of Augmentation.

Yes but noticed they replaced GMOPS with SMOPS so that reduction isn't really 75%. It's a 40% reduction for a Rank 11, and a 20% reduction on the cost for a Rank 12.

The fundamental problem is this is like reducing the price of a mansion from 20M to 10M and trying to sell it to folks with a 24K salary.

These AD sinks need to go as the reason they came into being in the first place is now gone.

urabask

sabiwen said:

Will this change Artifact upgrades?
Instead of 5 GMOPS to Mythic, would you need SMOPS, or at they keeping it at 5 GMOPs at the lower price above?

So, this last Dbl RP I upgraded 4 artifacts to Mythic
20 GMOPs x 75k (VIP cost) = 1,500,000 AD
New system would be 20 GMOPS at 18,750 = 375,000 AD

Well, that sucks that I just wasted 1,125,000 AD.

I'd assume going to legendary will be the same as going to rank 11 and mythic will be the same as going to rank 12.

namelesshero347 said:

Wow. That is awesome (but damn it, I just brought a few GMOPs yesterday). The ensuing discussion will be interesting. Some people held GMOPs as their store of value. Their holdings just got devalued by another 70%. Ouch. But great for the NWN poor like me.

Imagine the reaction of all the guys selling stacks of 5 GMoPs on the AH to try to make AD off VIP.

neilburton

That's awesome, the crappy part is that I just bought a bunch of GMOPs

dandare

Well, at least we see 1st move in motion of 'we care' since a long long while. Surely should be spread wide.

azaris

goatshark said:

We are reviewing all of the locations Greater Marks of Potency drop/reward in the game, and are swapping those for Superior Marks where appropriate.

Scott Shicoff
Lead Designer

I wasn't aware that these dropped in all of those locations. Mind sharing where they were supposed to do drop. The only place I knew about was using the top tier gauntlet in Dread Ring towers.

stormboundsoul

ejziponken said:

Even cheap items are hard to get when you dont get any new AD in your wallet.

You still need to add ways to farm items that players can resell in AH. I mean, how are people going to afford the wards needed? Theres simply is no way. Its still P2W even with these changes.

I actually would perfere expensive items with a way to earn a lot of AD by playing the game.

With 24k a day, it would take 20 days just to get one blue ward. And to get those 24k, it takes a lot of time and effort every single day with dungeons, pvp etc. Its way to little profit for all that work and time.



"We are reviewing all of the locations Greater Marks of Potency drop/reward in the game, and are swapping those for Superior Marks where appropriate."

I havent seen a greater mark drop from any T2 dungeon in months.

Make alts, run fast simple ad giving quests that give rad......use the exchange pool your resources...you actually have to do it...there is no autobatctic automagically working here......it can be done.....be creative....yes you might have to buy more character slots......simple

oldbaldyone

goatshark said:

We are reviewing all of the locations Greater Marks of Potency drop/reward in the game, and are swapping those for Superior Marks where appropriate.


Scott Shicoff
Lead Designer

Would it be possible for these locations to be made public? To my knowledge, there is only 1 location that these still drop and that is Dread Ring instances. They may drop from skill nodes maybe.

Overall, a necessary change. Costs are cut a bit across the board and it makes me happy I didn't splurge on R12's this last 2xRP ('ll I'll save millions of AD).

gankdalf

ulviel said:

I hope it is just beginning and more changing in this direction are comming soon, otherwise it's more like throwing a bone to make players shut up

Inventing new marks was unnecessary. Tbh I suspect it's a smokescreen to obscure the fact they didn't in fact reduce costs as much as needed. But maybe I am wrong and they ideed are doing something right this time.

Probably because they know some players hold huge amounts of GMOPS and now they cut the value of those with 70% or so.

aandrethegiant

This is VERY healthy sign. But like many are stating, much, much more needs doing.

urabask

sm0ld3r said:

urabask said:

They literally just cut something dumb like 75% of the cost of getting rank 9 enchants. Not sure what you were expecting but this is a lot more generous of a decrease in costs than I was expecting. Now they just need to work on Companion upgrade costs, armor kits, and Cube of Augmentation.

Yes but noticed they replaced GMOPS with SMOPS so that reduction isn't really 75%. It's a 40% reduction for a Rank 11, and a 20% reduction on the cost for a Rank 12.

The fundamental problem is this is like reducing the price of a mansion from 20M to 10M and trying to sell it to folks with a 24K salary.

These AD sinks need to go as the reason they came into being in the first place is now gone.

Yes, but the cost barrier for most players was getting to rank 10.

Once you have rank 10 enchants you're probably around 3k GS and you can run pretty much all the content in the game pretty easily anyways.