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  • jhpnwjhpnw Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 611 Arc User
    kweassa wrote: »
    jhpnw wrote: »
    ...The perma stun is a bad idea only because to many new players are using it and as more and more gear comes out this power will decrease and they will be left with out having learned to play. I don't believe in nerfing any class I just believe in adjusting to over come...

    jhp, by definition a "permastun" gets that "perma-" prefix because specifically it is IMPOSSIBLE to overcome -- hence, duh, "perma". On the receiving end, like I've mentioned in the past, the longest perma I've personall experienced was 26 seconds or something.

    You can't stop it from beginning because the roots are undodgeable in the first place, and just happens, and then from that point on nothing works. No keyboard input works. It's like someone just unplugged your keyboard. How do you adjust to something that by definition you have no way getting out of?

    they can be stopped or avoided I do it

    Would you prefer, for example, if I've switched from my own, unique TR build, and then just went the same cookie-cutter Saboteuer permastealth TR build to just whittle down the HR with daggers, without even having a single chance to retaliate? Would that counted as 'adjusting'?

    I would support any way you choose to play your toon And would not support any NERF. I do adjust and kill the stun rangers 90% of the time. Once you mess them up they panic and die. The TRs I can kill too just better be on my A game that day and have my Rotation buffs all running. HR has to know his feats and boons better than any other class to contend. If you don't have everything triggered and know when to hit the TR or CW your toast. That's no reason to nerf them. To me these kind of threads are bad for the game. When I started every one just got on here for class and build help now days no one even respond's to help me out look at the post for help 40 to 100 views not 1 reply . Every one just has a pet bash project agenda. You on the other hand approached with a good for the game approach and I can support you on this. I have suggested to the Devs before a cut crushing roots daze time in half for PVP and increase damage by 30%. These kind of threads get knee jerk reactions and the classes get ruined because trying to quick fix. I have seen it over and over If you feel an issue is a bug report it in the correct thread, just don't beat it to death like this thread.It does no good for our troubled game and I think the Devs might pay more attention to us.

    with all respect for you I saw you in well of dragons the other day you were doing pretty good
    jhp
  • piejalpiejal Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    jarecsteph wrote: »
    There is no many HR anymore so that's the only reason.

    so where all GWF in mod 3? so where all HR in mod 4? so where all TR in mod 5?
    the population and leaderboard are the valid data of how distributed power in each class.. and this is the fact

    all of you can crying about root-daze HR got but Dev not gonna nerf it or take it because it just like nerf or take TR 100% crit change+combat adv mekanic,75% deflec sev,ITC or CW 100% crit change mekanic, 66% pierce tenacity, shield

    you just use double standart and ask to nerf other class except your main class
    you think that when mod 7 come there will nerf list coming, but HR not gonna be one of them.. try OP or maybe CW and TR
    there will be no end of this.. let's wait and see peace :)
  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    piejal wrote: »
    jarecsteph wrote: »
    There is no many HR anymore so that's the only reason.

    so where all GWF in mod 3? so where all HR in mod 4? so where all TR in mod 5?
    the population and leaderboard are the valid data of how distributed power in each class.. and this is the fact

    all of you can crying about root-daze HR got but Dev not gonna nerf it or take it because it just like nerf or take TR 100% crit change+combat adv mekanic,75% deflec sev,ITC or CW 100% crit change mekanic, 66% pierce tenacity, shield

    you just use double standart and ask to nerf other class except your main class
    you think that when mod 7 come there will nerf list coming, but HR not gonna be one of them.. try OP or maybe CW and TR
    there will be no end of this.. let's wait and see peace :)

    Not moving 95% of a fight is not acceptable and should stop right now.

    There is no way players can accept or defend this permaroots\daze stuff, and I’m really questioning myself when I hear an HR player that is not asking for immediate change to the situation cause I would hate playing HR like that.
  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2015
    You are mad at HRs and you only want to destroy the class, you dont proposse any viable change, just to remove the mechanich and then have another SW running in pvp fields.

    Your s h i t is not constructive 4,2 255. If you are frustrated is not a good thing to come at the forums just to ask for ultra nerfs making the class unviable.

    Also you dont care about if any CW power is wrong at pvp, because you dont QQ at that.

    You can hate any HR that what you want, nobody cares lol.
  • jhpnwjhpnw Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 611 Arc User

    There is no way players can accept or defend this permaroots\daze stuff, and I’m really questioning myself when I hear an HR player that is not asking for immediate change to the situation cause I would hate playing HR like that.[/quote]

    there is never an immediate change in any thing with NW just some half way nerf bomb that usually makes things even worst. example the fixed aspect of lone wolf but wiped out Apsect of the serpent

    If you nerf the weakest of the bugs which stun is without fixing the class and with out fixing all the stronger bugs of other classes what is accomplished just like kewassa said above TR are broken also. There are issues with every class and there are work arounds for every bug learn them and gear up . The Reason I spoke up is this thread had went way past normal and became a person bash instead of any thing constructive. This is why nothing ever gets done due to all the petty bs you should look out for your own class and let others look out for theirs. every class thread has a deferent class in it telling how to play there toon and that class should be nerfed. No wonder nothing ever gets fixed because of all the BS. PVP should be set up different than it is but its not new players should have entry level but they don't. If you want something looked at be civil to each other and fixes are needed not just make it your personal mission to destroy a class
    jhp
    this thread should have been closed a long time ago

  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    jhpnw wrote: »
    There is no way players can accept or defend this permaroots\daze stuff, and I’m really questioning myself when I hear an HR player that is not asking for immediate change to the situation cause I would hate playing HR like that.

    there is never an immediate change in any thing with NW just some half way nerf bomb that usually makes things even worst. example the fixed aspect of lone wolf but wiped out Apsect of the serpent

    If you nerf the weakest of the bugs which stun is without fixing the class and with out fixing all the stronger bugs of other classes what is accomplished just like kewassa said above TR are broken also. There are issues with every class and there are work arounds for every bug learn them and gear up . The Reason I spoke up is this thread had went way past normal and became a person bash instead of any thing constructive. This is why nothing ever gets done due to all the petty bs you should look out for your own class and let others look out for theirs. every class thread has a deferent class in it telling how to play there toon and that class should be nerfed. No wonder nothing ever gets fixed because of all the BS. PVP should be set up different than it is but its not new players should have entry level but they don't. If you want something looked at be civil to each other and fixes are needed not just make it your personal mission to destroy a class
    jhp
    this thread should have been closed a long time ago

    [/quote]

    I'm just asking for this perma stuff to end and playing HR on equal ground not more or less.

  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2015

    I'm just asking for this perma stuff to end and playing HR on equal ground not more or less.

    There is not equal ground for HR with the nerf that you are requesting. You are requesting changes for DCs, OPs, HRs. You requested nerfs for TRs. When you have a problem with a concrete class you always come to the forum requesting nerfs.

    Not learning, not making another char to see/check how to adapt, just build a 4,2 toon, pot all you can and cry in the forums. Thats not the way. And now I understand why you scored 255 with 4,222 iL.

    If you want an equal ground for all then start asking to buff SWs instead of crying for another classes.

    You have one of the best , popular and versatile class atm with full gear. 66% ignored tenacity, strong control, 2 viable paths, shield in tab that ignores arpen, shield in tab that gives you CC resistance, low cooldowns, some CC powers that ignores resistances, encounters with very low cast time (have you tried the SW encounters?), one of the best dodges of the game, nice dailies, very good damage, CC in atwills, strong class features, one of the best table heroic feats, in some cases good self healing, 2 viable parangon paths, automated buff/debuff mechanics in heroic feats, and still you are crying when a class can face you in pvp.

    Please 4,2 255. Stop being ridiculous.
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  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    crimpatul wrote: »

    I'm just asking for this perma stuff to end and playing HR on equal ground not more or less.

    There is not equal ground for HR with the nerf that you are requesting. You are requesting changes for DCs, OPs, HRs. You requested nerfs for TRs. When you have a problem with a concrete class you always come to the forum requesting nerfs.

    Not learning, not making another char to see/check how to adapt, just build a 4,2 toon, pot all you can and cry in the forums. Thats not the way. And now I understand why you scored 255 with 4,222 iL.

    If you want an equal ground for all then start asking to buff SWs instead of crying for another classes.

    Anyway right now HR are overpowered with permaroot\daze so it as to stop, and for all your bad personal comments I don’t even bother to respond anymore.
  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    jarecsteph wrote: »
    crimpatul wrote: »

    I'm just asking for this perma stuff to end and playing HR on equal ground not more or less.

    There is not equal ground for HR with the nerf that you are requesting. You are requesting changes for DCs, OPs, HRs. You requested nerfs for TRs. When you have a problem with a concrete class you always come to the forum requesting nerfs.

    Not learning, not making another char to see/check how to adapt, just build a 4,2 toon, pot all you can and cry in the forums. Thats not the way. And now I understand why you scored 255 with 4,222 iL.

    If you want an equal ground for all then start asking to buff SWs instead of crying for another classes.

    Anyway right now HR are overpowered with permaroot\daze so it as to stop, and for all your bad personal comments I don’t even bother to respond anymore.

    And there is nothing to learn around permaroot\daze only that it is a bad concept and decision

  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    i am sick from this thread. i play HR archery even without negation. still have fun at pvp, although not at level i expect to be before this mod. I hate this HAMSTER, it needs to be removed asap at all cost, and than whole class can be buffed
  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2015
    jarecsteph wrote: »
    crimpatul wrote: »

    I'm just asking for this perma stuff to end and playing HR on equal ground not more or less.

    There is not equal ground for HR with the nerf that you are requesting. You are requesting changes for DCs, OPs, HRs. You requested nerfs for TRs. When you have a problem with a concrete class you always come to the forum requesting nerfs.

    Not learning, not making another char to see/check how to adapt, just build a 4,2 toon, pot all you can and cry in the forums. Thats not the way. And now I understand why you scored 255 with 4,222 iL.

    If you want an equal ground for all then start asking to buff SWs instead of crying for another classes.

    Anyway right now HR are overpowered with permaroot\daze so it as to stop, and for all your bad personal comments I don’t even bother to respond anymore.

    I dont care if you dont respond. Run far away. Just maybe you want to test another game because as CW you suck and you can ask any about you, all we know it.

    There is no fix or nerf for that.
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  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    crimpatul wrote: »
    jarecsteph wrote: »
    crimpatul wrote: »

    I'm just asking for this perma stuff to end and playing HR on equal ground not more or less.

    There is not equal ground for HR with the nerf that you are requesting. You are requesting changes for DCs, OPs, HRs. You requested nerfs for TRs. When you have a problem with a concrete class you always come to the forum requesting nerfs.

    Not learning, not making another char to see/check how to adapt, just build a 4,2 toon, pot all you can and cry in the forums. Thats not the way. And now I understand why you scored 255 with 4,222 iL.

    If you want an equal ground for all then start asking to buff SWs instead of crying for another classes.

    Anyway right now HR are overpowered with permaroot\daze so it as to stop, and for all your bad personal comments I don’t even bother to respond anymore.

    I dont care if you dont respond. Run far away. Just maybe you want to test another game because as CW you suck and you can ask any about you, all we know it.

    There is no fix or nerf for that.
    Insult and bad behaviour you should be banned from threads
  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2015
    You mad bro

    If I post arguments you dont respond.

    If I post the reality about yourself you respond.

    WTF lulz 4,2 you need help man.

    Requesting nerfs its not allowed, but you only take the rules for your convenience. Its like class balance, your point of view is very small.
  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Can you believe that some people wants to keep controlling stuff in place (like permaroots\daze that doesn’t allow the opponents to fight back) and even start throwing trash at you if you want legitimate change toward balance so they can keep their over the top advantage over other class.

    I’ m pointing out a really bad problem, like I pointed out daze for TR because it is not good at all for this game.

    If they were as much HR playing today as TR in mod 5 the last remaining PVPers would practically all have left already.
  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2015
    You only point another classes problems, and you dont make any suggestion or constructive comment on how to fix that, just imba nerf.

    Again, test a HR archery or combat for NCL top 1000 and comment your results.

    HR got nerfed with constricting arrow (they changed how it works), because it was annoying (wtf another control class is annoying too).

    They nerfed stormstep action, but maybe you dont remember that. Now who plays a stormwarden in pvp ??? Thanks for destroy 1 entire parangon path.

    Fox also got nerfed.

    Split shoot nerfed.

    Aspect of the lone wolf, nerfed. The main HR defense got wiped. (Maybe you dont know it, but with this change the devs were forced to introduce new mechanichs to allow the HR to survive, and this is one of the worst moves they made and probably broke the class).

    They nerfed HR into the hell before trappers/pathfinder exists.

    Then they made a rework for all the classes, and again, combat hr got nerfed.

    So now we only have hr trapper, because the original HR was nerfed very hard, changing how the powers work. Constricting arrow was ok, but people start to cry and now its worst than in m1/m2. Do you know what? Deal with it. We had a balanced power and it got nerfed. Like our AoLW.

    Now, If they nerf trapper, we will have 0.

    If any HR wants to play as archery in pvp I respect him, also I did it for 2 years, but its not competitive.
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  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    crimpatul wrote: »
    You only point another classes problems, and you dont make any suggestion or constructive comment on how to fix that, just imba nerf.

    Again, test a HR archery or combat for NCL top 1000 and comment your results.

    I'm only pointing out a huge unfair unbalance fact regarding HR no less.
  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    jarecsteph wrote: »
    crimpatul wrote: »
    You only point another classes problems, and you dont make any suggestion or constructive comment on how to fix that, just imba nerf.

    Again, test a HR archery or combat for NCL top 1000 and comment your results.

    I'm only pointing out a huge unfair unbalance fact regarding HR no less.

    Point the huge unfair unbalance of SW, or another things in the game. But no, you only post for the classes that you cant kill with your CW.

    There are few HRs in the Top 1000 of NCL, what do you want? 0 HRs? Like SWs?

  • jhpnwjhpnw Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 611 Arc User
    YOU GUYS NEED TO LIGHTN UP after 10 mic ultras and a smoking hot red head roaming the house I almost screwed up and lost a Dom match but we came from behind in the ends and barely won. I the Hr with out a permastun came in second over all around 4900 points and 7 or 8 kills. Thank god the top scorer was a sober HR who did not have to PErma stun ether. I wonder does this qualify me for win lose we booz Guild. I have a screen shot toprove if any one doubts the authenticity of this claim

    sncerly
    jhp
    sory abt the spelling but it is just agame and we all are competitive and don't like to lose so have a couple of cold ones and chill out guys
    that was the best match I have everhad in PVp and might have to try to duplicate it again 10 years ago I might have been able to pull it off with the top spot but 50 has really taken its toll on the old body the last 3 years
  • benskix2benskix2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 674 Arc User
    I don't think trappers are any worse than an oppressor with the main hand trait that adds extra chill stacks on RoF, the difference is that CWs have paths that are even better, so no one bothers with the boring low DPS all control play style that hunters are forced to use to compete in PVP.
  • jhpnwjhpnw Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 611 Arc User
    tO STAY OUT OF TROUBLE I NEED TO CLARAFIY The screen shots are of the game score not the smoking hot Red Head
    I do have to go to bed and close my eyes tonight
    good night all
    Joel
  • sentineltitaniasentineltitania Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    So I was never really affected by this since I'm a GWF and HR's are like breakfast.

    I tried to go on a CW and met one of these perma-dazing HR's. Oh god... now I understand why.

    Fix this ASAP. This IS perma-daze (Scoundrel TR was NOT perma-daze). With Scoundrel TR, you had a 3 second window to retaliate, but HR? Nope. Not even a small window.
  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2015
    So I was never really affected by this since I'm a GWF and HR's are like breakfast.

    I tried to go on a CW and met one of these perma-dazing HR's. Oh god... now I understand why.

    Fix this ASAP. This IS perma-daze (Scoundrel TR was NOT perma-daze). With Scoundrel TR, you had a 3 second window to retaliate, but HR? Nope. Not even a small window.

    So its cool to breakfast a HR with your GWF, you dont request changes for that, but man, if your CW is a breakfast for another class then nerf.

    Holy s h i t.

    You just want to breakfast all.
  • sentineltitaniasentineltitania Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    crimpatul wrote: »
    So I was never really affected by this since I'm a GWF and HR's are like breakfast.

    I tried to go on a CW and met one of these perma-dazing HR's. Oh god... now I understand why.

    Fix this ASAP. This IS perma-daze (Scoundrel TR was NOT perma-daze). With Scoundrel TR, you had a 3 second window to retaliate, but HR? Nope. Not even a small window.

    So its cool to breakfast a HR with your GWF, you dont request changes for that, but man, if your CW is a breakfast for another class then nerf.

    Holy s h i t.

    You just want to breakfast all.

    At least the HR can attack me back when I "Breakfast" him.

    CW *cannot* attack back whatsoever and is permanently dazed until he dies. Wheras Scoundrel TR's had a 3 second vulnerability on the dazing part. HR has NONE.
  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2015
    crimpatul wrote: »
    So I was never really affected by this since I'm a GWF and HR's are like breakfast.

    I tried to go on a CW and met one of these perma-dazing HR's. Oh god... now I understand why.

    Fix this ASAP. This IS perma-daze (Scoundrel TR was NOT perma-daze). With Scoundrel TR, you had a 3 second window to retaliate, but HR? Nope. Not even a small window.

    So its cool to breakfast a HR with your GWF, you dont request changes for that, but man, if your CW is a breakfast for another class then nerf.

    Holy s h i t.

    You just want to breakfast all.

    At least the HR can attack me back when I "Breakfast" him.

    CW *cannot* attack back whatsoever and is permanently dazed until he dies. Wheras Scoundrel TR's had a 3 second vulnerability on the dazing part. HR has NONE.

    Yes, when you land an IBS for 70-90k the HR can fight back.

    Lol.

    CW can attack back a HR if they know how to do it, and how to break the rotation.
  • sentineltitaniasentineltitania Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    crimpatul wrote: »

    Yes, when you land an IBS for 70-90k the HR can fight back.

    Lol.

    CW can attack back a HR if they know how to do it, and how to break the rotation.

    Can't believe people actually defend the undodgeable perma-daze/root from HR

    Whatever makes you feel more pro. No more replies from me.
  • crimpatulcrimpatul Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2015
    crimpatul wrote: »

    Yes, when you land an IBS for 70-90k the HR can fight back.

    Lol.

    CW can attack back a HR if they know how to do it, and how to break the rotation.

    Can't believe people actually defend the undodgeable perma-daze/root from HR

    Whatever makes you feel more pro. No more replies from me.

    If you dont want to talk with me is ok, you can go.

    Meanwhile go to this thread where people complains about IBS http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1190596/indominatable-battle-strike-does-way-too-much-dmg

    Its about your main class. Maybe it will solve the breakfast problem, Im sure what position you will take. And no, I have not any problems with that, some days ago I fought one of the best GWFs of the server in 1 vs 1, it was very fun, no breakfast for anyone btw...

    I dont need to feel pro, but I would like to know what kind of pvp you play. Just curiosity. I dont find you in any page.


  • benskix2benskix2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 674 Arc User
    Just slot repel and be glad you are not a SW.

  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I can talk about SW because I don't
    So I was never really affected by this since I'm a GWF and HR's are like breakfast.

    I tried to go on a CW and met one of these perma-dazing HR's. Oh god... now I understand why.

    Fix this ASAP. This IS perma-daze (Scoundrel TR was NOT perma-daze). With Scoundrel TR, you had a 3 second window to retaliate, but HR? Nope. Not even a small window.

    That's exactly why I want it to stop. Not being able to fight back is unacceptable since nobody can enjoy a game that doesn’t give you the opportunity to fight back.

    On top of that Elven Battle Enchantment is still bugged, maybe we should ask DEV to correct it and compensate poor HRs with more DPS to do so, what a joke.


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  • jarecstephjarecsteph Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I remember when HRs were defending their piercing in mod 4. LOL Actualy if devs will fix Elven Battle vs 8576745645 ticks from thorne at least we will be able to fight back...

    Yep
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