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FC.31.20140828.14 PTS Update
lordgar
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This build is now live on PTS, 9/17/2014
You can find release notes for previous unreleased PTS patches by using the link(s) below:
FC.31.20140828.13
Release Notes for FC.31.20140828.14:
Steel Crusade:
Anniversary Event: Machanon:
Vehicle Weapon Systems
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Please stay on topic in this PTS thread. We use bug reports from this thread to decide whether a PTS build is ready to go live, and so we need to make sure we're seeing everything in it. Please do discuss the changes, but if you find yourself writing about something that isn't specific to what's on PTS, then that should probably go elsewhere.
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You can find release notes for previous unreleased PTS patches by using the link(s) below:
FC.31.20140828.13
Release Notes for FC.31.20140828.14:
Steel Crusade:
- Cislunar Mechanon mission is now repeatable in a 20 hour cooldown.
- Cislunar Mechanon mission rewards raised. Now gives 2000 Q and 4 Mechanon Coalition tokens.
- Mechanon Coalition store now checks to see if you have already unlocked a costume piece before letting you buy it.
- Added a cartoon kitty to the screen material options on the Junkbot TV heads. Thanks to Kaizerin!
- All the Steel Crusade costume unlocks are now account-wide.
- Renamed Mechanon Horn 02 to Mechanon Minion Horn.
- Mechanon's Bracers, Arms, and Minion Horns were not unlocking correctly. Fixed.
- Several Mechanon costume pieces were missing material options. Fixed.
- The Mechanon heads are no longer in the "Heads & Hairs" category.
- Mechanon Horn and Mechanon Minion Horn are now available both as Side Accessories and Top Accessories.
- Fixed various mirroring issues.
- Mechanon's shoulders now scale with the shoulder slider.
- Added glow to the fourth color channel on Mechanon's hands, feet, legs.
- The final cutscene on Cislunar Mechanon has been redone.
- The intro cutscene to Cislunar Mechanon now has subtitles.
Anniversary Event: Machanon:
- Added two more action figures to the Debugger.
- More fixes and updates to this event will arrive on PTS in the next few days.
Vehicle Weapon Systems
- Plasma Beam: the Plasma Shear debuff no longer reduces the target's resistance to Particle damage. Additionally, the damage Plasma Shear deals has been reduced.
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Good to see this. I want to see Mechanon really kick some butt.
Could it be? Finally?
Maybe ... just maybe properly specced characters (not vehicles) could actually play more than an incidental role in that fight? Hm... the implications...
Honestly, the fight wasn't that long before people abused Plasma Beam (back when Bleack Harbinger first came out). But when people started abusing it (after it was added as a Rampage), it was a complete joke. I don't think we need to adjust the HP.
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BUG: Contents of fish tank become invisible when approached.
BUG: Cislunar Mechanon cutscene: "Energy Spike..." overlaps with captain's lines.
Actually, a larger issue is that if you're going to add several minutes to the fight with the Harbringer by nerfing PB yet again, then the never-implemented promise ("we're aware that there's a problem!" - quote from a dev on the PTS thread that was made six months ago) to make chasing down the Exocet fighters far less tedious actually gets worked on and pushed.
The reason most players try to get the Harb done quickly is to avoid having to do 5 or 6 rounds of the Exocets, which take, give or take, 30-40 seconds at absolute best and 5+ minutes at worst for each time you have to go through that nonsense. That's an incredible waste of time doing something that can't be affected by player skill or a good build. It's the definition of a grind, and it's exactly what a Rampage shouldn't be.
That, and editing the ridiculous, repetitive 1:40 worth of cutscenes down to 15-20 seconds or so to put it in line with the other Rampages would be immense, easy to implement fixes.
LI would take very little work to improve significantly, which is why it's so irritating nothing has been done about it. Sky Command needs even more work, but the fixes required aren't as obvious or easy save for allowing the mission to finish up once you kill the Mega-D.
Edit: oh yeah, and while we're on the subject - you've been well aware for months of an exploit in F&I that is extremely aggravating to those of us who play by the rules. That's long overdue for a fix.
Doing comparison -- identical vehicle (at least, for mods actually used), 25 stack shear
vs Looks like around a 20% reduction in base effect, and hull scanner might not be working at all, mega-terak normally has +20% damage resist.
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If you burn the mega-D in SC right now, you're wasting your time anyway - and will often lose the mission.
Bug: Mechanon Feet Accessory leather and metal textures are broken.
Suggestion: Add glow to the Junkbot Work Light 4th Color (the color of the light bulbs).
Suggestion: Have the Junkobot TV 1 and 2 head screens go off the 4th color and also add glow to the 4th color.
Zod: The unlock you were asking about. Was it this one?
if yes then that is the [Chest Layer: Project Clockwork].
If no...<shrugs>
I know this is a lil nitpicky but could we possibly get this adjusted to 18 hours since that would be easier on people's playtime windows? I mean, I know it's not 24(please never making anything 24 again since it just pushes the clock forward every night even if you're only a little bit late) but between CO/STO/NW I have to say it's my opinion that 18 is a nicer number.
Why? IMO more options is more options. Let the players deal with the Clip-Fu Issues.
Clip-Fu: It's an Artform. :biggrin:
Any time window on fixing the 4th color channel. I believe it's been broken longer than CN has been on the scene and it would be nice to have it fixed. Currently the color will not preview apply to the item until you select it and will select a color if you go out of the palette area by choosing the last color your mouse passed over. Thanks for the glow though.
Any chance on CO getting skipable cutscenes like STO has? Or the repair of the "Cutscene Mouselock Bug" which was introduced with Whiteout Episode 2(Whiteout was originally introduced in episodes before being combined)? To clarify, if you are using the left and right mouse buttons to move when a cutscene triggers it will lock the mouse pointer in the middle of your screen until the cutscene completes. This is even if you tab out of the game.
Excellent news. I look forward to testing this. Thank you.
1. I agree about the Exojets...maybe reduce their flight speed?
2. As for the cutscenes...yes. STO has a mission called Coliseum that actually has the announcer speak while the mission is occurring vs. it's own dedicated cutscene which saves time and improves flow. Also, the similarities between this and Forum Malvanum should also be mentioned because, IMO, Coliseum did alot right that Forum Malvanum did not.
3. While we're improving LI...how about putting in the comic panels and other cool stuff at the end that is sitting in the live files yet never made it? Please?
Ok, I'll add more once I've had time to go over things.
P.S. While we're chatting here, Lordgar, could you please start giving us rough estimate timetables(if you have to extend them beyond that then that's cool..just a rough guestimate) so the testers can properly manage time between the "possible" and the "it's too late, brace for impact" stages? Also, the occasional reply to a subject that springs up in these threads with a, "We could look into that and maybe get it out in time with this" vs. something like,"Yeah, that's so not gonna happen this time. Perhaps somewhere way off in the future...maybe" so there are more realistic expectations and focus? Again, please. :biggrin:
Join Date: Aug 2009 | Title: Devslayer
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Do i really have to say how bad of an idea this is?
remove the debuff to resistance yes that i'm fine (tbh i didn't even knew that existed on it) but keep the damage there its already been nerfed once and outside this anniversary event there are really only three places for this.
1) Ironclad and Drogan lar in the forum malvanum
2) bleak harbinger in Lemurian invasion
3 )when cosmics spawn
Why these two locations? Well iron clad and drogan lar is an easy one to understand you need massive amounts of dps or a backup device to even stand a chance of taking them down vehicles just make it a bit easier on this round. Lemurian invasion on the other hand there are really only two parts that i see plasma beam being used. The !st is when you are saving the mayor and the 2nd is against the harbinger itself everyone usually sticks to gravity pulse or incendiary rounds for the lesser guys. Even then you are lucky to even get a vehicle or two in a PUG in Lemurian Invasion plasma beam with one vehicle doesn't simply do enough damage at the moment. Cosmics are special everyone wants to kill that specific cosmic for a rare drop or to farm resources so they usually need a team of people to melt him down fast. There is only one thing that comes to mind when i ever needed to melt something with a group of people and that was plasma beam.
But if you do have to push this to live i do have a suggestion make it so that the plasma beam is temporarly nerfed then restore plasma beam back to what it was before the event. that way the mega d's don't become super squishy and you can still Nuke the Harbinger at the same time
Can confirm these two bugs myself.
Still, awesome job on fixing the costume pieces, as well as the rewards for Cislunar Mechanon; Should cut down the grind for these things a good amount.
Still, got a few little bugs and suggestions to present:
*BUG: There are two separate objects that unlock the "Mechanon vs Destroyer" lore topic: The Sunken Computer in "Waste Transmission", and the Destroid Head floating in Cislunar Mechanon. However, there is nothing that unlocks the "Mechanon Data: Greatest Foes" topic that I have yet to find anywhere. I'm assuming that one of these items were meant to unlock it, but both got tagged for the vs Destroyer unlock.
*Suggestion: Would it be possible to add Beast Leg variants for the Mechanon Robot Legs and its related accessories? Mechanon's Mk. 37 Body had a noticeable digitigrade stance to it, as seen here. Would be kinda cool if we could get a similar look
*Suggestion: It might be a good idea to add "Mechanon Hips" as an option, in order to complete the look of the Mechanon Robot Legs.
*Suggestion: In addition to the above mentioned costume piece, the actual Mechanon Torso and respective "Chest Gear" (seen clearly here) should be added as well.
Please address the above. There is little time remaining.
[at]riviania Member since Aug 2009
1. Fix the timer on Duraclad?
2. Slow down the Exojets?
3. Of course there will be reactions...it's hitting more than 2 buttons now(PB and RELOAD).
Oh and Gradii "intended" is an interesting word choice I had to touch upon very briefly. According to various forum posts from TT and such(which I am presently entirely too lazy to look up and link here and freely admit that) things like LI and FM are "Vehicle Optional." Unless Lordgar swoops in and point blank says,"Hey, our intentions when Team Lordgar made this was...." we're all guessing in the dark here.
Join Date: Aug 2009 | Title: Devslayer
On a level 30:
Liberated Mega-destroid deals 108875 (114426) Particle Damage to you with Destroyer Blast.
Perfectly fine, because no level 30 is going to draw aggro unless they do something very dumb like pop one of their shiny new backups.
However, this is not fine:
Liberated Mega-destroid deals 106590 (112025) Particle Damage to you with an unknown ability.
That's the AOE attack. On the ground. Outside of a vehicle. (In one, it did only 35k damage).
If you're trying to encourage those new and returning players to stick around, I suspect this will not help. And yes, those who have a clue (which will not be many) can sidekick up, but that rather misses the point of all this.
...Ironclad IS Drogan Lar.. you mean Ironclad and Duratok.
And those vehicles burning Cosmics like crazy have been the BANE OF MY EXISTENCE! Seriously. You never needed them before On Alert. A group of 40s could deal with every cosmic rather easily. Vehicles have just cut their time spawned down to about 2-3 minutes compared to when they stayed for 10ish. I hate that people bring their supahpowered vehicles to Kigatilik and bar me from getting the perk for his defeat because of their massive Damage output. It's dumb. Its excessive. AND I HATE IT.
Actually, by using the Mega-Terak as your example and doing so solo, you skew down the numbers significantly and wildly miss much of the DPS impact, as the nerf varies considerably by target's base resistance as well as the additive impact of the DR-reduced shear stacks.
On something like Kiga with a 16% base, it's about 18%.
On a resistance Mega-D with 42% base, the impact is closer to 50%.
BUG: Dr. D now babbles more times than just the top of the hour.
BUG: The damage penetration of Enemy Hull Scanners is completely broken and does not have any effect on any weapons.
I'd post test strips on this last point having run test the right way (running a test with scanners on the vehicle versus removing them completely) but it seems unnecessary.
Oh, and by the way - scanners did work briefly post-nerf, then did work under certain circumstances at times.
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Also, what were the circumstances that brought on the 100k+ hits from the mega d's?
I let two womp on me for a few minutes and never got anything beyond a 24k base.
This is also incorrect.
I was fortunate enough to run some extended tests on PB and vehicles pre-nerf earlier in the day. I'll be posting the results and implications of this elsewhere shortly.
Pre-nerf, base damage, using a multiple hundred line CSV file to actually pull real numbers out of a real file into a spreadsheet to do work on them:
1257.298 sheer
Post-nerf, same method, same vehicle, same encounter.
1090.98 sheer
While there's likely a little variance based on dropping stacks once or twice despite my efforts along with potentially not having 3 stacks of AA missiles up at all times, this ends up at 13%. However, it felt closer to 15%, and there was a way to confirm this.
Taking a sample of the top 50 non-crit hits under both encounters, it showed a 15.5% reduction to base damage.
Post nerf: 1279.427
Pre nerf: 1514.621
So, yes, I'd say 15% is a number that is supported by data versus guessing.
Did you use the debugger to set your level to 30?
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Before you start making more suggestions based on more inaccurate guesses, might want to do some work on the DPS hit to and damage increase received when there are substantial level gaps - because the damage increase/decrease is massive across the spectrum if there's a level gap, not just for 30s versus 60s.
Nor should an all-zone event be limited to 40s. Or FFs. Or vehicles. Or non-vehicles. Ever.
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Then perhaps you could test with a 10 versus a cosmic 40 rather than having other folks spend time doing so for you.
Comparing to "Tank Role" when not everyone in CO uses Tank Role on their toons?
Why bring the attack capability in line with superheroes when it's possible(and easy) for the DPS to be higher from the vehicles? Also, Quick Reload.
1. Would that be FF players? AT players? Min/Maxers? Good Players? Bad Players?
2. I just completely disagree with this to be honest. Vehicles are an option. If you want anything to be on par with a FF....it's likely an AT and we saw how those turned out last time.
They're supposed to have superior DPS to heroes in a superhero game? As I recall the only real acknowledged "Superior" for vehicle design is the speed, right?
Join Date: Aug 2009 | Title: Devslayer
They're level 60, and you want him to test as a level 10? I know it's a zone event but having world bosses that are a higher level than the highest level kind of insists that you don't bring your level 10 aboard. An event like this should be scaled to the level base that has the largest chance of completing the event - the 40s - rather than anything below. Sure, bring your 30, get some rewards, but don't expect to place in the top five. Balancing this event for level 30s will make it stupid-easy (easier) for the volleys of 40s that are going to be there.
Shouldn't Mechanon Spider be #141 since its under #140 Liberated Mega-Destroid in the list? Can you guys confirm that 138 is the Mechanon 5k perk to be sure of this?
Oh, you were underlevel. Missed that.
I suggest sidekicking to 40 when fighting level 60's.
The Destroids have been 60 since their introduction years ago. While it is off that they were introduced at such a high level, this isn't new. Telling people to try underlevels against them to test output is trivial. Let's rear back onto more topical discussions.
You can select them but when you apply they revert to head. They only show up in the search. The work around for this is that you have to switch the head to Full Helmets.
Shouldn't Mechanon horns also work for Side Accessory?
Yes please! Heck, give them a unique cooldown where each one has a 1 hour use every 24 hours. I'd buy ALL the Z Store Sidekicks then!
Reread this part:
If he can actually provide robust numbers on what a 30 level gap looks like using a level 10 against a cosmic 40, that would narrow down whether a 4x increase between level 30 and 40 is a bug and help the game. I'd normally do so myself, but I've already spent more hours tracking down bugs and double checking math this week than I have playing, and think it's a fair request to have the player stating a fact to do the work to check it.
Never said the event shouldn't be geared towards 40s, nor did I say that a 30 should place in the top 5. However, an insta kill AOE that blocking against won't keep you alive and that gets repeated 4-5 times a minute is just really, really poor design for an allzone.
Output? Hardly. A demonstration of zero chance of survivability for a 30 against the AOE attack that needs to be fixed to hit the air in an allzone event? Yeah, that's quite relevant, since it is tied into how most folks who are in that ideal world of yours - burn the vehicles that you despise! - won't have have 70% resistance and thus stand a good chance of getting wiped with an insta kill too. That'll happen even if they're 40, be it sidekicked or earned. An extremely topical discussion, and I'd dare say a whole lot more so than most of what's been allowed to fester on PTS threads recently.
Yep, I want a permanent sidekick that either gives me ~250 dps or better yet, is massively bugged and gives me 60 dps when it actually works. Too bad that latter bug didn't get reported so it could be appropriately prioritized before the event started...oh wait...
If you have a problem with the Destroids being 60, say you have a problem with it. That's a valid concern.
However consuming this pts thread with lengthy posts regarding it is borderline thread derailment. It's trivial to tell people to test sub 40 performance against level 60's. We get it, they're going to perform poorly. This isn't new nor does it need lengthy posts and paragraphs of evidence.
This event has been ongoing for...2 years now? No changes have been made to how hard the destroids hit or what attacks they use. Players were fine the past 2 years, usually teaming up to sk to 40, they'll probably be fine this year too.
What: Unlocked Items should disappear from inventory, they currently do not.
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Excaly, we NEED Permanent sidekicks its something the Dev's need to look at from our replays and do think: Yeah we can do that.