I personally hope, that the Devs will put tier 6 versions of Risian ships first - mainly the Corvette, because of the heavy weapon slot coming in future (and i really hope it will come with already implemented heavy weapon slot - like that escort 3-pack).
I'd like the Luxury Cruiser, my all time favorite STO ship, to get the T6 treatment. ^_^
I could see more of a science-carrier for the risian ship if they did a new one, than a full on science vessel. It would go along the idea of that the corvette was a racer like ship, the cruiser was more of a cruiseliner, and so a carrier that has hanger-ships it can use to ferry an give tours to the ship's guests sounds quite like a risian vessel that could have a science leaning.
As far as hardly anyone caring about it, evidence points to the contrary. If it was a lousy ship, then people wouldn't have been angered about not being awarded it.
The T6 Nagus isn't that great. People want what they can't have, plain and simple. If players with unwavering loyalty were given a different unique ship, the unwarranted outrage wouldn't have been any different.
People complained for the last 2 years about how they couldn't get the Kobali Samsar even though it's the nearly the absolute worst T6 cruiser in the game. No seriously, there's about 40 or 50 T6 cruisers that are better.
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I wonder whether a third Risan ship was ever intended. After all, instead of that we got the Ferengi Nandi, which departed from the theme. Then we got the Vorgon ship, which again departed from a Risan theme.
This past winter we got the T5->T6 treatment for the Chel Gret, so perhaps we'll get the same treatment for the past Risan ships this summer.
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As far as hardly anyone caring about it, evidence points to the contrary. If it was a lousy ship, then people wouldn't have been angered about not being awarded it.
The T6 Nagus isn't that great. People want what they can't have, plain and simple. If players with unwavering loyalty were given a different unique ship, the unwarranted outrage wouldn't have been any different.
People complained for the last 2 years about how they couldn't get the Kobali Samsar even though it's the nearly the absolute worst T6 cruiser in the game. No seriously, there's about 40 or 50 T6 cruisers that are better.
Well, IIRC, most of the outrage was exactly because of that 'unwavering loyalty' thing. Most of the exclusive giveaways were badly received precisely because it all appeared random, if not in the favour of those who were actually among the first to turn their backs on STO when things became a bit harder after Delta Rising.
As far as hardly anyone caring about it, evidence points to the contrary. If it was a lousy ship, then people wouldn't have been angered about not being awarded it.
The T6 Nagus isn't that great. People want what they can't have, plain and simple. If players with unwavering loyalty were given a different unique ship, the unwarranted outrage wouldn't have been any different.
People complained for the last 2 years about how they couldn't get the Kobali Samsar even though it's the nearly the absolute worst T6 cruiser in the game. No seriously, there's about 40 or 50 T6 cruisers that are better.
Well, IIRC, most of the outrage was exactly because of that 'unwavering loyalty' thing. Most of the exclusive giveaways were badly received precisely because it all appeared random, if not in the favour of those who were actually among the first to turn their backs on STO when things became a bit harder after Delta Rising.
The words "unwavering loyalty" were more of a scapegoat. The real issue is that people couldn't have something. The word usage "unwavering loyalty" didn't really matter. If the email had said "thanks for spending over $10k, here's your ship" the anger level wouldn't be any different. Why? Because people want what they can't have.
What's my basis for thinking this? Just look at all the threads that constantly pop up about players that missed out on crummy event ships.
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I would say that it was a bit of both players hating not getting something others are getting, or just did not get access to it. Yet I also think that since there was no explanation of any of the criteria for what constituted being "unwavering loyalty" either though some took issue with that fact.
As a mathematician, I'd say even zero ships can form a set, at least technically. One ship certainly can. But why do people think the Risan ships should form a set of three? The consoles form a two part set. There's no other indicator apart from the experience with the winter Breen ships, which got extrapolated. While not entirely unreasonable, it may just as well be that the Breen ships are a one-off in that regard - the anniversary ships are far from forming any set of any kind. Or breen are milked for anything they got because winter-cold-breen (though that would easily be an argument in favor of more risan ships).
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There are two Risa hulls in the game engine and both are in player hands. There are three Vorgon hulls in game and only one in player hands. There absolutely is a 'Vorgon set' and delivering more of it is the path of least resistance.
Now, it could be they're about to do a 'Year of the Escort' the way they just piled on wave after wave of Science ships, with the new Heavy Weapon slot being the sweet, sweet incentive the way they used the Temporal specialization to get people to actually play Science. There are larger, coordinated patterns in their release schedule if you bother to look. So an updated Risa Escort T6 with shiny new heavy weapon slot could be a thing. But I'm thinking a Rise Science ship is so last year/not happening.
I'd have to assume that, if Risan ships were intended to go as far as Breen ships, they wouldn't have broken the cycle so long ago. I don't see any other NPC Risan ships in game, but I do see a couple NPC Vorgon ships. Which means they're already designed, and have been for a while, and considering we've already gotten one, it really wouldn't make sense to not get another especially when they're already there. That said, I wasn't playing back in the days when the Risan ships were up for grabs, so I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some T6 versions of them. However, I'm in love with the Vorgon ship design and being a cruiser user primary, I sure would like to get my hands on that one.
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Also, considering the craze of Sci and Frigate/Attack style ships for events over the past few events and even C-Store releases, I do expect to see either a cruiser or a carrier, Risan or otherwise, I think we're a bit overdue for an Event Cruiser, Carrier, or even a Dreadnought.
Empirical evidence does point to a set of playable Vorgon ships.
My source? http://sto.gamepedia.com/Console_-_Universal_-_Harasser_Probes
The console specifically states that it can be equipped on "Any Vorgon Starship", implying that there will be more than just the Xyfius. Just as the Breen consoles can be put on any Breen ship.
Not excited about another Vorgon ship, sorry. The only Vorgons I saw on TV were both inept and I completely lost whatever possible empathy I may have had for them when they just gave up. They were horrible antagonists.
I do like the idea of a Risan Science Vessel, of whatever size. The sci/carrier idea would compete with the Atrox, but otherwise I like it. The sci/vette idea is an excellent one, in my opinion. Perhaps the compromise is a sci/tac hybrid similar to the RSV, or a sci/eng hybrid flight deck cruiser. Any or all would work.
What I wonder is why we haven't had one before. Risa was engineered with the most sophisticated technologies available, and maintains its environment using native talent. Science and technology training are as much a part of Risa as tourism. Tourism is possible on Risa only because of the advanced technology, and a career in science should be valued by their society. With their non-violent philosophy, Risians wouldn't approve of building warships, but many sciences benefit from a high tech mobile laboratory.
Not excited about another Vorgon ship, sorry. The only Vorgons I saw on TV were both inept and I completely lost whatever possible empathy I may have had for them when they just gave up. They were horrible antagonists.
I do like the idea of a Risan Science Vessel, of whatever size. The sci/carrier idea would compete with the Atrox, but otherwise I like it. The sci/vette idea is an excellent one, in my opinion. Perhaps the compromise is a sci/tac hybrid similar to the RSV, or a sci/eng hybrid flight deck cruiser. Any or all would work.
What I wonder is why we haven't had one before. Risa was engineered with the most sophisticated technologies available, and maintains its environment using native talent. Science and technology training are as much a part of Risa as tourism. Tourism is possible on Risa only because of the advanced technology, and a career in science should be valued by their society. With their non-violent philosophy, Risians wouldn't approve of building warships, but many sciences benefit from a high tech mobile laboratory.
Conversely... do most resort operators know how to actually maintain the pools?
The connection between Risa and the Vorgon is because we were introduced to the Vorgon when Picard went to Risa for a vacation. So basically the same reason the Breen are connected to the Winter Event now. Technically it fits thematically. Also... they don't have to design new ship models from scratch if they use the Vorgon ships they already made. So in theory we have the possibility at a full set of Vorgon ships just like we do the Breen ships without missing a beat. Also as I pointed out earlier... the Xyfius console does say "Any Vorgon ship" which implies more to come. Otherwise it would only say that it can be equipped on the Xyfius, like how some consoles are locked to specific ships such as the Vesta consoles only on Vesta variants.
Not excited about another Vorgon ship, sorry. The only Vorgons I saw on TV were both inept and I completely lost whatever possible empathy I may have had for them when they just gave up. They were horrible antagonists.
I do like the idea of a Risan Science Vessel, of whatever size. The sci/carrier idea would compete with the Atrox, but otherwise I like it. The sci/vette idea is an excellent one, in my opinion. Perhaps the compromise is a sci/tac hybrid similar to the RSV, or a sci/eng hybrid flight deck cruiser. Any or all would work.
What I wonder is why we haven't had one before. Risa was engineered with the most sophisticated technologies available, and maintains its environment using native talent. Science and technology training are as much a part of Risa as tourism. Tourism is possible on Risa only because of the advanced technology, and a career in science should be valued by their society. With their non-violent philosophy, Risians wouldn't approve of building warships, but many sciences benefit from a high tech mobile laboratory.
Conversely... do most resort operators know how to actually maintain the pools?
The connection between Risa and the Vorgon is because we were introduced to the Vorgon when Picard went to Risa for a vacation. So basically the same reason the Breen are connected to the Winter Event now. Technically it fits thematically. Also... they don't have to design new ship models from scratch if they use the Vorgon ships they already made. So in theory we have the possibility at a full set of Vorgon ships just like we do the Breen ships without missing a beat. Also as I pointed out earlier... the Xyfius console does say "Any Vorgon ship" which implies more to come. Otherwise it would only say that it can be equipped on the Xyfius, like how some consoles are locked to specific ships such as the Vesta consoles only on Vesta variants.
You know, @rattler2 , I totally missed making the connection to "Captain's Holiday", but you're right, the move to Vorgon makes sense now.
That being said, I'd still love to see a huge Risan space cruiseliner, Science Carrier that launches Risan Corvette frigate pets.
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That being said, I'd still love to see a huge Risan space cruiseliner, Science Carrier that launches Risan Corvette frigate pets.
So... would it be shaped like the Titanic? Better not take it into an asteroid field.
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Risa for Risans! Give us the T6 Stingray class Corvette and Ja'marohn class Luxury cruiser!
Nice name for the T6 Vette, and I may love my Vette, but in fairness they need to do the Risian science ship first.
Science isn't the Risan specialty, why would they make a science ship? Both Risan ships fit the Risan theme of civilian pleasure craft converted to mount armament. The Corvette is a speedboat and the Cruiser is a yacht. If they made a third ship it would be a converted civilian pleasure craft, so maybe a cruise ship made into a dreadnought cruiser? Maybe that one could carry the Ja'marohn class name... cuz when you see it coming at you you're ****ed LOL
Quoted from Memory Alpha...
"The planet was transformed by the native Risians with a technologically sophisticated weather control network that provided almost-constantly desirable weather, and seismic regulators to eliminate the geological instability for optimum tourist comfort."
Risa for Risans! Give us the T6 Stingray class Corvette and Ja'marohn class Luxury cruiser!
Nice name for the T6 Vette, and I may love my Vette, but in fairness they need to do the Risian science ship first.
Science isn't the Risan specialty, why would they make a science ship? Both Risan ships fit the Risan theme of civilian pleasure craft converted to mount armament. The Corvette is a speedboat and the Cruiser is a yacht. If they made a third ship it would be a converted civilian pleasure craft, so maybe a cruise ship made into a dreadnought cruiser? Maybe that one could carry the Ja'marohn class name... cuz when you see it coming at you you're ****ed LOL
Quoted from Memory Alpha...
"The planet was transformed by the native Risians with a technologically sophisticated weather control network that provided almost-constantly desirable weather, and seismic regulators to eliminate the geological instability for optimum tourist comfort."
That would require some good science there.
and the ship console set is pretty sci heavy too. it really is a shame that the risan ships suck at sci.
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Risa for Risans! Give us the T6 Stingray class Corvette and Ja'marohn class Luxury cruiser!
Nice name for the T6 Vette, and I may love my Vette, but in fairness they need to do the Risian science ship first.
Science isn't the Risan specialty, why would they make a science ship? Both Risan ships fit the Risan theme of civilian pleasure craft converted to mount armament. The Corvette is a speedboat and the Cruiser is a yacht. If they made a third ship it would be a converted civilian pleasure craft, so maybe a cruise ship made into a dreadnought cruiser? Maybe that one could carry the Ja'marohn class name... cuz when you see it coming at you you're ****ed LOL
Quoted from Memory Alpha...
"The planet was transformed by the native Risians with a technologically sophisticated weather control network that provided almost-constantly desirable weather, and seismic regulators to eliminate the geological instability for optimum tourist comfort."
That would require some good science there.
Maybe it could come with a console that removes or neutralizes hazards in the surrounding area, like eject warp plasma, etc. Would go well with the weather control theme.
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I'd like the Luxury Cruiser, my all time favorite STO ship, to get the T6 treatment. ^_^
AMEN! Give us the third ship! We've waited patiently.
While true, the Risian set did start first.
Nice name for the T6 Vette, and I may love my Vette, but in fairness they need to do the Risian science ship first.
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People complained for the last 2 years about how they couldn't get the Kobali Samsar even though it's the nearly the absolute worst T6 cruiser in the game. No seriously, there's about 40 or 50 T6 cruisers that are better.
This past winter we got the T5->T6 treatment for the Chel Gret, so perhaps we'll get the same treatment for the past Risan ships this summer.
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Well, IIRC, most of the outrage was exactly because of that 'unwavering loyalty' thing. Most of the exclusive giveaways were badly received precisely because it all appeared random, if not in the favour of those who were actually among the first to turn their backs on STO when things became a bit harder after Delta Rising.
What's my basis for thinking this? Just look at all the threads that constantly pop up about players that missed out on crummy event ships.
As a mathematician, I'd say even zero ships can form a set, at least technically. One ship certainly can. But why do people think the Risan ships should form a set of three? The consoles form a two part set. There's no other indicator apart from the experience with the winter Breen ships, which got extrapolated. While not entirely unreasonable, it may just as well be that the Breen ships are a one-off in that regard - the anniversary ships are far from forming any set of any kind. Or breen are milked for anything they got because winter-cold-breen (though that would easily be an argument in favor of more risan ships).
There are two Risa hulls in the game engine and both are in player hands. There are three Vorgon hulls in game and only one in player hands. There absolutely is a 'Vorgon set' and delivering more of it is the path of least resistance.
Now, it could be they're about to do a 'Year of the Escort' the way they just piled on wave after wave of Science ships, with the new Heavy Weapon slot being the sweet, sweet incentive the way they used the Temporal specialization to get people to actually play Science. There are larger, coordinated patterns in their release schedule if you bother to look. So an updated Risa Escort T6 with shiny new heavy weapon slot could be a thing. But I'm thinking a Rise Science ship is so last year/not happening.
*EDIT*
Also, considering the craze of Sci and Frigate/Attack style ships for events over the past few events and even C-Store releases, I do expect to see either a cruiser or a carrier, Risan or otherwise, I think we're a bit overdue for an Event Cruiser, Carrier, or even a Dreadnought.
Empirical evidence does point to a set of playable Vorgon ships.
My source?
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Console_-_Universal_-_Harasser_Probes
The console specifically states that it can be equipped on "Any Vorgon Starship", implying that there will be more than just the Xyfius. Just as the Breen consoles can be put on any Breen ship.
I do like the idea of a Risan Science Vessel, of whatever size. The sci/carrier idea would compete with the Atrox, but otherwise I like it. The sci/vette idea is an excellent one, in my opinion. Perhaps the compromise is a sci/tac hybrid similar to the RSV, or a sci/eng hybrid flight deck cruiser. Any or all would work.
What I wonder is why we haven't had one before. Risa was engineered with the most sophisticated technologies available, and maintains its environment using native talent. Science and technology training are as much a part of Risa as tourism. Tourism is possible on Risa only because of the advanced technology, and a career in science should be valued by their society. With their non-violent philosophy, Risians wouldn't approve of building warships, but many sciences benefit from a high tech mobile laboratory.
Conversely... do most resort operators know how to actually maintain the pools?
The connection between Risa and the Vorgon is because we were introduced to the Vorgon when Picard went to Risa for a vacation. So basically the same reason the Breen are connected to the Winter Event now. Technically it fits thematically. Also... they don't have to design new ship models from scratch if they use the Vorgon ships they already made. So in theory we have the possibility at a full set of Vorgon ships just like we do the Breen ships without missing a beat. Also as I pointed out earlier... the Xyfius console does say "Any Vorgon ship" which implies more to come. Otherwise it would only say that it can be equipped on the Xyfius, like how some consoles are locked to specific ships such as the Vesta consoles only on Vesta variants.
You know, @rattler2 , I totally missed making the connection to "Captain's Holiday", but you're right, the move to Vorgon makes sense now.
That being said, I'd still love to see a huge Risan space cruiseliner, Science Carrier that launches Risan Corvette frigate pets.
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So... would it be shaped like the Titanic? Better not take it into an asteroid field.
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Quoted from Memory Alpha...
"The planet was transformed by the native Risians with a technologically sophisticated weather control network that provided almost-constantly desirable weather, and seismic regulators to eliminate the geological instability for optimum tourist comfort."
That would require some good science there.
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and the ship console set is pretty sci heavy too. it really is a shame that the risan ships suck at sci.
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Maybe it could come with a console that removes or neutralizes hazards in the surrounding area, like eject warp plasma, etc. Would go well with the weather control theme.
I might drop some zen on the U.S.S. Blue Ribbon