I'm just pointing out the obvious-obviously. Galaxy class is the one of the stample item of Star Trek franchise. I'm really curious why CBS let them handle TNG with such ignorance. I understand that most Cryptic's devs are DS9 fanboys, but that should not excuse them.
Galaxy > Ambassador > Excelsior is what one would expect, simpley because of their age and technology used.
In STO, it's most likely going to be the exact opposite. :rolleyes:
Yeah, there's an obvious Dev bias against the Galaxy R, they didn't even give it a universal ensign when they gave it's opposite number the Negh'var one. To say nothing of it's better turn rate, cloaking device and DHCs (which are only marginally useful admittedly). But hey, saucer separation, right?
Yeah, there's an obvious Dev bias against the Galaxy R, they didn't even give it a universal ensign when they gave it's opposite number the Negh'var one. To say nothing of it's better turn rate, cloaking device and DHCs (which are only marginally useful admittedly). But hey, saucer separation, right?
I have tweeted Geko, about why Fleet Negh'Var got universal ensign and the Fleet Galaxy-R did not, which is obvious difference...No answer yet :P and I do not expect one... go figure :P
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I've gotten nothing but positive response from my Boff Layout idea. Now its up to cryptic to pay the piper and listen. XD
After reading the last several posts you have made in this thread, can I ask one favor? Please tune down the "me-fest" a notch or two? I'm not trying to troll or anything, but it's a bit overboard. You had an suggestion, maybe even a good one (I don't disagree with it,btw) and some people agree with it, thats wonderful. Making statements and supporting them is one thing, but the comments like:
So many of you want Op as hell ambassadors. Do any of you PVP at all or do you find fun in fighting TRIBBLE NPCs? My ship has BALANCE. Yours are just overpowering I win button wannabes.
My first post in this thread is the only good one a lot of people agree with. I hope the devs listen.
And there's one in another thread where you said a persons opinion was good because he liked your idea.
You aren't making convincing points, just "me,me,me"-isms. Can you work on that a bit, you would even have more support if you communicated it differently
If the Ambassador and its KDF counterpart are released in the next few weeks, is it possible that players will get "ship overload" right after the two new Jemmie' ships, the three mirror ships and people hitting Tier 4 and 5 in their starbases? Almost sounds as if the Ambassador may be a bit underwhelming in the middle of all of the other ships its in the middle of.
Your response makes you seem like the type of person who would go to the mall on christmas and tell random 5 year olds Santa doesn't exist. finding the negative in everyones hope.
If the Ambassador and its KDF counterpart are released in the next few weeks, is it possible that players will get "ship overload" right after the two new Jemmie' ships, the three mirror ships and people hitting Tier 4 and 5 in their starbases? Almost sounds as if the Ambassador may be a bit underwhelming in the middle of all of the other ships its in the middle of.
There's supposed to be information on the 3rd Anniversary next week. Given the Anniversary is the 2nd (next Saturday) - well, one might hazard the guess that they'll either patch Thu/Fri with it going live...eh?
So it's kind of wham, bam, right there - yes.
Still though...
Winter Event - JHAS
Anniversary - Odyssey/Bortas
Week After - Galor
Month or so After - Ody/Bort 3 packs
They'd have to add two more ships before March 15th to have introduced the same number of ships...
Kumari and K'Vort?
There are going to be C-store versions of the Ambassador and Kamarag, and they'll probably be on about the same schedule as the Ody/Bort ones. The question is whether they'll be 3 packs, and I kind of hope they aren't, the store interface is cluttered enough as it is, at least the in game version. (Seriously, how about a few more tabs in there? Maybe level based plus small craft?) On the other hand, variety in console slots is always nice.
Doubt they will do a 3 pack. 3 pack have only been.for new design ships (aka.the bortas, ody, vesta) not for 3 generation old ships (ody, sovereign, galaxy, ambassador... Wait its 4 generations old)
Your response makes you seem like the type of person who would go to the mall on christmas and tell random 5 year olds Santa doesn't exist. finding the negative in everyones hope.
No, I am someone who is trying to give you insight on making a better argument for your points. If your read your posts, they are very egocentric. Making a powerful appeal to the reader requires the writer to pay attention his/her audience. Writing in ego-centric style works to distract readers, especially when there is little else justifying the statement in the body of the work. I am actually trying to help you take it to the next level.
Yes, I did. I am very interested in seeing a good Ambassador design to come out in game. I have nothing against your idea. I actually would be interested in trying something like it on Tribble to see how it works.
My issue is with what you have been saying beyond that point, mostly one liners speaking of your ideas superiority of other peoples ideas with little or nothing to support it. If you wish to lead this "charge" for the concept and make a strong argument for it to happen, you need to communicate it better. Remove the ego-centric tense and add supportive statements. Do not just state that your idea is great and other peoples is "unbalanced", explain and illustrate. If you lose your audience, that's just as bad as not having an idea to begin with.
There's supposed to be information on the 3rd Anniversary next week. Given the Anniversary is the 2nd (next Saturday) - well, one might hazard the guess that they'll either patch Thu/Fri with it going live...eh?
So it's kind of wham, bam, right there - yes.
Still though...
Winter Event - JHAS
Anniversary - Odyssey/Bortas
Week After - Galor
Month or so After - Ody/Bort 3 packs
They'd have to add two more ships before March 15th to have introduced the same number of ships...
Kumari and K'Vort?
Don't forget about all of the Tier 4 and Tier 5 Fleet Ships that people are finally getting access too, so add about 12 more ships between the factions to that list.
The question posed was asking if there would end up being "ship-overload", leading to apathy in excitement for the Ambassador and her K.D.F. counterpart, not if it was going to happen.
The question posed was asking if there would end up being "ship-overload", leading to apathy in excitement for the Ambassador and her K.D.F. counterpart, not if it was going to happen.
Which I answered with this aspect of the post:
So it's kind of wham, bam, right there - yes.
Though, to be honest - I'm feeling more apathy toward the Dom box because of the recent Chel Grett and the near Ambassador/Kamarag. I'm surprised they didn't do the Dom box after the Anniversary... people disappointed with the Chel Grett/Ambassador/Kamarag may have been more likely to go after the Dominion ships.
Then again, that disappointment may have led to holding off all the same - having had their expectations lowered...they wouldn't see a reason to risk it with the Dominion ships. So perhaps it was wise of them to go with the Dominion box first, eh?
Another thing to consider is that some people simply do not want to fly anything other than a Fed or KDF ship. There are Feds that hate the Atrox for that reason much like there are KDF that want Klingon ships - not Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships.
It's a mixed bunch out there. So are going to ignore certain ships regardless - some are going to want everything even though they'll not fly some of them for more than a few minutes...
It's a complicated matter...and to be honest, I only expect it to get "worse" - consider six months from now or a year from now as a new player comes in and tries to decide what ship(s) they want. Heck, forget about them for a moment - consider the person that's been playing - figure there's going to be three more lockboxes this year, the Summer Event, another Winter Event, as well as whatever other Z-store/Fleet ships are released...
...and then the same thing happening next year for the 4th Anniversary.
Though, to be honest - I'm feeling more apathy toward the Dom box because of the recent Chel Grett and the near Ambassador/Kamarag. I'm surprised they didn't do the Dom box after the Anniversary... people disappointed with the Chel Grett/Ambassador/Kamarag may have been more likely to go after the Dominion ships.
Then again, that disappointment may have led to holding off all the same - having had their expectations lowered...they wouldn't see a reason to risk it with the Dominion ships. So perhaps it was wise of them to go with the Dominion box first, eh?
Another thing to consider is that some people simply do not want to fly anything other than a Fed or KDF ship. There are Feds that hate the Atrox for that reason much like there are KDF that want Klingon ships - not Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships.
It's a mixed bunch out there. So are going to ignore certain ships regardless - some are going to want everything even though they'll not fly some of them for more than a few minutes...
It's a complicated matter...and to be honest, I only expect it to get "worse" - consider six months from now or a year from now as a new player comes in and tries to decide what ship(s) they want. Heck, forget about them for a moment - consider the person that's been playing - figure there's going to be three more lockboxes this year, the Summer Event, another Winter Event, as well as whatever other Z-store/Fleet ships are released...
...and then the same thing happening next year for the 4th Anniversary.
I totally understand where you are coming from, when the Chel' Gret came out I had no interest in running the races for the ship for each of my five toons, so I didn't get any. I am also not excited about the new Dominion Ships, I tend to grab the keys to up my lobi count for the consoles on there, it's kinda of like "they offer a ship too?......Meh"
Another that can be asked is would people be more excited to improvements in the way ship combat is played, such as a new weapon system and new PvP maps and stuff.
Lol, why do we keep calling cruisers flagships? They aren't, atleast not these ships?
Flagships are the biggest baddest boldest mofos in the fleet and cruisers are not these. Flagships can not only take the punishment they can dole it out in spades, infact, they deal more punishment then they can take. They were the jewels in the crowns of navies. The Spanish Dragon & Trinidad flagship, The Bellfast, The Bismark, the Enterprise, The Queen Anne, the list goes and on, these were flagships, they were op as hell and they had to be they were the statement of a culture saying this is what we have if you cross us, if you don't want to die then let us live in peace. The had total command of the seas and the armies and the flags of the attack patterns waved from them to let the others know what to do
No cruiser, none is able to bite anything other then the dust. Hell I can kill one in 20 seconds top with my eyes closed and prolly 10 if I just don't like your name. I think they should make an op Battleship i mean go ape **** with the consoles, like 2 commander everything's, 10 weapons layouts push it to 150, hull 100k shield mods like like crazy and do it for all the factions just go crazy on this thing and give it TEAM wide commands like
"All ships begin the assault" For 45 seconds all ships gain +25 energy to weapons a stack-able 10% to weapon damage and 3# bleed though.
"All ships take up defensive positions" For 45 seconds all ships have +25 to shield energy and 15% hull and shield resistance and 200/1 regen
"All ships Evasive maneuvers" For 45 seconds players have +25 to engine power can reach impulse speed of 30 and evasive raises by 15% and resistance increases by 10%
Then give it a passive like Go big or go home, or Pride of the Federation or whatever and give a passive heal and damage to all ships on the team because they know with her on the feild their chances of winning raises exponentially.
Then like make it 300-500 dollars to own to limit the numbers to hardcore gamers or fools and then just let it be, would I buy one? yes, yes I would, because I believe I deserve pretty things
If both sides had this behemoth on a battle field then lord knows a pvp battle will prolly last 10-20 minutes before the first kill lol it would be epic
But that ladies and gentlemen is a flag ship, op and can take on a team on it's own! That is a flagship
If RL would be a MMO a WW2 scout boat captain would have complained that the Bismark is OP and it would have been nerfed to be balanced with the scout boat.
If it helps you: If Star Trek would be real than cruisers would be as you describe them. Sanety dies first in the constant hunt for the holy grail of balance.
But it could be worse; it could be like EVE. The ships are even more silly there the bigger they get.
I think the Ambassador as an Enterprise was a Scientific cruiser in a war time setting. since we don't know to much of what happaend after the B was launched the entire timeframe of the C is only speculation and a few facts. Like fact the Romulans were being *******s to the Klingons after Khitomer Accords were signed. thus. this is my idea for the Ambassador in STO.
Heritage Heavy Cruiser
It should have the Basic Enterprise-C skin as well as the Yamaguchi Design.
900 Crew
4 Fore Weapons
4 Aft Weapons
Bridge Officer Layout.
Commander Engineer
Lieutenant Commander Science
Lieutenant Engineer
Lieutenant Tactical
Ensign Tactical.
4 Engineering Console Slots
3 Science Console Slots
2 Tactical Console Slots
I expect it's special console to be something like a big blue tachyon beam that can rip shields for 12 seconds.
When this comes out I expect the Alternate TNG uniform's from the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" to come out in the Z-Store.
I think secretly Captain Gecko agree's with me.
Well, pretty darned close. Nailed the Boff slots, but sci and tac consoles are the other way around.
They should of given it a Turn rate close to that of the Defiant with Photon Torpedo Bonuses.
Just to make it a unique ship that can go with the ships canon.
I mean Romulan ships were smaller than the Enterprise - C at the time so should of had higher turn rate, but they didnt, the Enterprise did so clearly its a Light Cruiser with Evasives and Phaser arcs in design sight.
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My big confusion on the announces spec's is why does the ship only have two science consoles for a ship that has a Lt. Cmdr. Boff?
Also, why is it that Cryptic doesn't see fit to publish the inertial values with any of the ship specs? Is it 30-35-40? That makes a big difference on telling how the ship will really turn.
My big confusion on the announces spec's is why does the ship only have two science consoles for a ship that has a Lt. Cmdr. Boff?
Also, why is it that Cryptic doesn't see fit to publish the inertial values with any of the ship specs? Is it 30-35-40? That makes a big difference on telling how the ship will really turn.
Maybe because a lot of people are unhappy with the low DPS of most beam boats right now. Personally, I think it strikes a pretty good balance; you can have a decent fire power, but have to make do with low level abilities, and have a high level sci power, but can't spec into it too hard.
My big confusion on the announces spec's is why does the ship only have two science consoles for a ship that has a Lt. Cmdr. Boff?
Also, why is it that Cryptic doesn't see fit to publish the inertial values with any of the ship specs? Is it 30-35-40? That makes a big difference on telling how the ship will really turn.
Bet the 3rd science console is reserved for the inevitable C-Store/Fleet version.
Bet the 3rd science console is reserved for the inevitable C-Store/Fleet version.
Depending on the stats/setup for the ship, I may make that purchase. Sadly, the ship screams beam boat and with the current status of beam weapons.....
All I have to say with the Ambassador as they gave it to us: *throws up quietly in the corner*
I can't believe they gave us practically a carbon copy (yes, CARBON COPY) of the freebie Assault Cruiser. The only difference: LtCmdr Engi ---> LtCmdr Sci... Just... Just... wow...
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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Yeah, there's an obvious Dev bias against the Galaxy R, they didn't even give it a universal ensign when they gave it's opposite number the Negh'var one. To say nothing of it's better turn rate, cloaking device and DHCs (which are only marginally useful admittedly). But hey, saucer separation, right?
I have tweeted Geko, about why Fleet Negh'Var got universal ensign and the Fleet Galaxy-R did not, which is obvious difference...No answer yet :P and I do not expect one... go figure :P
After reading the last several posts you have made in this thread, can I ask one favor? Please tune down the "me-fest" a notch or two? I'm not trying to troll or anything, but it's a bit overboard. You had an suggestion, maybe even a good one (I don't disagree with it,btw) and some people agree with it, thats wonderful. Making statements and supporting them is one thing, but the comments like:
And there's one in another thread where you said a persons opinion was good because he liked your idea.
You aren't making convincing points, just "me,me,me"-isms. Can you work on that a bit, you would even have more support if you communicated it differently
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There's supposed to be information on the 3rd Anniversary next week. Given the Anniversary is the 2nd (next Saturday) - well, one might hazard the guess that they'll either patch Thu/Fri with it going live...eh?
So it's kind of wham, bam, right there - yes.
Still though...
Winter Event - JHAS
Anniversary - Odyssey/Bortas
Week After - Galor
Month or so After - Ody/Bort 3 packs
Winter Event - Chel Grett
Week Before - JHEC, JHDC, MVo'quv, MPatrol, MAdvanced
Anniversary - Ambassador/Kamarag
They'd have to add two more ships before March 15th to have introduced the same number of ships...
Kumari and K'Vort?
There are going to be C-store versions of the Ambassador and Kamarag, and they'll probably be on about the same schedule as the Ody/Bort ones. The question is whether they'll be 3 packs, and I kind of hope they aren't, the store interface is cluttered enough as it is, at least the in game version. (Seriously, how about a few more tabs in there? Maybe level based plus small craft?) On the other hand, variety in console slots is always nice.
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No, I am someone who is trying to give you insight on making a better argument for your points. If your read your posts, they are very egocentric. Making a powerful appeal to the reader requires the writer to pay attention his/her audience. Writing in ego-centric style works to distract readers, especially when there is little else justifying the statement in the body of the work. I am actually trying to help you take it to the next level.
Yes, I did. I am very interested in seeing a good Ambassador design to come out in game. I have nothing against your idea. I actually would be interested in trying something like it on Tribble to see how it works.
My issue is with what you have been saying beyond that point, mostly one liners speaking of your ideas superiority of other peoples ideas with little or nothing to support it. If you wish to lead this "charge" for the concept and make a strong argument for it to happen, you need to communicate it better. Remove the ego-centric tense and add supportive statements. Do not just state that your idea is great and other peoples is "unbalanced", explain and illustrate. If you lose your audience, that's just as bad as not having an idea to begin with.
Don't forget about all of the Tier 4 and Tier 5 Fleet Ships that people are finally getting access too, so add about 12 more ships between the factions to that list.
The question posed was asking if there would end up being "ship-overload", leading to apathy in excitement for the Ambassador and her K.D.F. counterpart, not if it was going to happen.
Which I answered with this aspect of the post:
So it's kind of wham, bam, right there - yes.
Though, to be honest - I'm feeling more apathy toward the Dom box because of the recent Chel Grett and the near Ambassador/Kamarag. I'm surprised they didn't do the Dom box after the Anniversary... people disappointed with the Chel Grett/Ambassador/Kamarag may have been more likely to go after the Dominion ships.
Then again, that disappointment may have led to holding off all the same - having had their expectations lowered...they wouldn't see a reason to risk it with the Dominion ships. So perhaps it was wise of them to go with the Dominion box first, eh?
Another thing to consider is that some people simply do not want to fly anything other than a Fed or KDF ship. There are Feds that hate the Atrox for that reason much like there are KDF that want Klingon ships - not Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships.
It's a mixed bunch out there. So are going to ignore certain ships regardless - some are going to want everything even though they'll not fly some of them for more than a few minutes...
It's a complicated matter...and to be honest, I only expect it to get "worse" - consider six months from now or a year from now as a new player comes in and tries to decide what ship(s) they want. Heck, forget about them for a moment - consider the person that's been playing - figure there's going to be three more lockboxes this year, the Summer Event, another Winter Event, as well as whatever other Z-store/Fleet ships are released...
...and then the same thing happening next year for the 4th Anniversary.
Okay, I misunderstood where that line came from, I though it was about the release of the Ambassard et al'.
I totally understand where you are coming from, when the Chel' Gret came out I had no interest in running the races for the ship for each of my five toons, so I didn't get any. I am also not excited about the new Dominion Ships, I tend to grab the keys to up my lobi count for the consoles on there, it's kinda of like "they offer a ship too?......Meh"
Another that can be asked is would people be more excited to improvements in the way ship combat is played, such as a new weapon system and new PvP maps and stuff.
If RL would be a MMO a WW2 scout boat captain would have complained that the Bismark is OP and it would have been nerfed to be balanced with the scout boat.
If it helps you: If Star Trek would be real than cruisers would be as you describe them. Sanety dies first in the constant hunt for the holy grail of balance.
But it could be worse; it could be like EVE. The ships are even more silly there the bigger they get.
Well, pretty darned close. Nailed the Boff slots, but sci and tac consoles are the other way around.
Just to make it a unique ship that can go with the ships canon.
I mean Romulan ships were smaller than the Enterprise - C at the time so should of had higher turn rate, but they didnt, the Enterprise did so clearly its a Light Cruiser with Evasives and Phaser arcs in design sight.
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Also, why is it that Cryptic doesn't see fit to publish the inertial values with any of the ship specs? Is it 30-35-40? That makes a big difference on telling how the ship will really turn.
Maybe because a lot of people are unhappy with the low DPS of most beam boats right now. Personally, I think it strikes a pretty good balance; you can have a decent fire power, but have to make do with low level abilities, and have a high level sci power, but can't spec into it too hard.
Nice jack-of-all-trades boat. I like it.
Bet the 3rd science console is reserved for the inevitable C-Store/Fleet version.
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Yep, that lil' bit of gimp that can be resolved by upgrading...
Depending on the stats/setup for the ship, I may make that purchase. Sadly, the ship screams beam boat and with the current status of beam weapons.....
I can't believe they gave us practically a carbon copy (yes, CARBON COPY) of the freebie Assault Cruiser. The only difference: LtCmdr Engi ---> LtCmdr Sci... Just... Just... wow...